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 inverno76
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Registered: September 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchew...
2 Cups
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| Adam wrote on Tue, 30 April 2024 15:38 |
| inverno76 wrote on Tue, 30 April 2024 14:25 |
| Adam wrote on Tue, 30 April 2024 12:56 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 April 2024 12:12 |
| JPro wrote on Tue, 30 April 2024 11:07 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 April 2024 12:20 |
Skinner in the last 2 games, in my opinion, helped back up my point that the sample size you were using wasn't big enough because he was outstanding in the last 2 games. So it's clear in my opinion, he has the ability to be a good goalie in the playoffs.
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"My sample size of two is better than yours of fourteen"
Don't go planning the Conn Smythe debate already because he's doing well against a team the Oilers dominate regularly.
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Again, not what I said what so ever. I said the 2 games he just played showed he has the capability to play well in the playoffs. Then said right after. The next thing I said he needs to do is to show he can do it again and again.
Feel free to actually READ what I said vs immediately making up complete lies.
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I don’t think you’ve adequately staked out your position on Skinner. I mean, you can’t really refute the hard numbers that Mike has posted so do you have another argument? Is there perhaps a player or two in the last 18-20 years who had horrid playoff numbers in their first 14 games and then went on to win a Cup? Is there something in the way he played through last playoffs and this which has given you great confidence that he’s going to backstop us to a Cup?
I’d like to hear your full thoughts here.
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I am sure there is a resource out there that breaks down the first 14 games of a goalies playoff career, but I do not know know where to find one. I am toeing the the middle line on this one. I really like Skinner when he is on his game, and I do see his flaws (lateral movement is still slow). He brings a calmness to the game that I have not seen since Dubnyk (prior to his inability to make a first save).
14 games is a small sample size and to be fair he was mismanaged as a rookie. He was swimming in the deep end, and his floatation device was a piece of cheese cloth we will call Jack Campbell. Game 1 this year was not as bad as the numbers suggested and he fell victim to 3 fluke goals. Game 2 was a lesson in suckitude. Games 3 and 4 were good too, I would even say really good. I would use the argument that Skinner is a very resilient goalie who is mentally strong. After last years playoffs and the horrendous start to this season there was very few reasons to believe that we would have Stu winning playoff games as a our starter in the playoffs.
Skinner finished the season at .905 save percentage after having a .865 up until the Capitals shut out game, 13 games. He then went on to play at a .916 pace which is good enough to win any series behind this offense. Skinner had some dog games along the way, but only lost back to back starts 3 times.
Long story short. I am very optimistic, and if the team in front of him commit to playing a controlled game they will have a great shot at winning a championship. I also understand people's skepticism. Most people need to see the proof, which is not unreasonable. This team does not need a star goalie. It needs a dependable goalie. I would love for Skinner to be prime Chris Osgood, with the same Cup rings.
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I hope you're right. I do think that the management hasn't ever done Skinner any favours. He was overplayed down the stretch last year - a big error on the part of Woodcroft as we gambled trying to win the conference. The thing that worries me most about Skinner is what we saw in those playoffs though - when his confidence is shaken, he struggles to overcome it and can let in goals in bunches. I hope the last couple of games were good builders for his confidence. The Kings have a bit of a popgun offence that we're not likely to see in future series, but still if that's good for anything it's building personal belief.
On the management side, the Oilers created a situation last year where we had to rely on a rookie goalie going in to the playoffs with no safety net. They decided that despite his faltering in that playoffs that they wouldn't do ANYTHING different over last summer and again at the trade deadline, so if Skinner isn't the guy, then we have just a 32-year old backup and the same spaz of a former NHLer behind that. It's really unforgivable, especially considering how critical these couple seasons are.
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I won’t lie. Part of my optimism lies in the fact that I’m scared crapless to be wrong. If Skinner falters hard we have no back up plan and there are not many options out there to upgrade the position, especially with the limited cap space available. The only funds that can easily be made available would be to ship out Draisaitl and I just bought a new away jersey, so that would suck.
In Skinner we trust. Only the best thoughts going out to manifest a Conn Smythe performer.
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