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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread [message #829257 is a reply to message #829254 ]	Mon, 29 January 2024 10:33

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Adam wrote on Mon, 29 January 2024 09:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 January 2024 08:48

I don't see me defending Ceci in a way that says I love the guy and are against upgrading him. That couldn't be farther from the truth. If there is a legit upgrade in all aspects, who isn't undersized, that won't cost you all your assets to bring in, that doesn't cost more cap wise than what Ceci makes and is a seamless fit for Nurse and the Oilers, sign me up. I would bring that guy all day, every day. I just have no clue who that guy is as I don't think he exists.

For the Oilers, I think they need guys on value deals. I feel like Ceci is a value deal and I say that not because I think he's an unreal player. For the Oilers, he plays a lot of minutes with Nurse against most teams best and while not elite, he does it decent. Not amazing but he's not overwhelmed. When Nurse and Ceci are on the ice, generally they do just fine. So in my opinion, just to replace Ceci with the same dman to play the exact same role, I don't think you can get that guy for 3.25 mill.

I place a lot of value on Nurse being comfortable playing with him and that pairing generally getting decent results. Like I said before, their defensive numbers have been outstanding with him playing a lot. I won't dispute he makes the odd mistake and maybe his advanced numbers are lower compared to others. But regardless, Nurse is comfortable playing with him. When they are on the ice, way, way, way, more good happens than bad. So I value continuity between pairs, especially big minute pairs and I don't want them screwing up whatever defensive mojo the whole team has going which Ceci has played a part in. So if they upgrade Ceci, they would be breaking up a successful pair so the guy they bring in better be a perfect fit. He has to be better as a player, he better be a guy the team likes because they like Ceci as a guy a lot. He better gel and compliment with Nurse like Ceci does. So it would be a big risk.

The biggest thing is the acquisition cost. Top 4, right shot dmen are generally harder to find. Lots of teams are generally always looked for top 4 dmen, even more so right shots. Then you look at who badly needs dmen WAY more than the Oilers. THE LEAFS. They are in a wild card spot which is lower than I am sure their organization and fan base expected. I think they will probably make the playoffs but they are in danger of missing. Their defense is BAD. They could probably use at least 2 dmen. Brand new GM, can you imagine the outcry of the fans if they miss? So I am sure he is big time under the gun. So I have to think out of desperation, the Leafs are going to jack up the price for top 4 dmen, especially right shots. Like I said in my previous post, I think Tanev would be a marginal upgrade for the Oilers but he would be a massive upgrade compared to some on the Leafs. So what are the Leafs, the team in the most pressure packed market in the NHL, willing to pay for say Tanev? That is what scares me and I don't think it would be worth because it would probable mean they would have to exhaust all their assets to get him especially since the GM of the provincial rivals will want to get a haul from the Oilers to soften the blow to his fans that he just helped make the hated Oilers better.

You don't think the guy out there exists who could provide an upgrade for Cody Ceci? And that Cody Ceci is a value deal at $3.25MM? Well, agree to disagree then!

Ceci isn't a great passer, doesn't have a great shot, doesn't hit that much. He's just one of those guys that's there and you hope you don't notice him. I realize, a lot of Oilers fans love the archetype of a non-offensive defenceman who barely ever gets any points and who seems semi-rugged in their style of play, but I don't think he's offering a lot, and $3.25MM is a ton to pay for that guy.

As for what it takes to get a RH d-man, it could be a defensive defenceman in the Nick Schultz mode (Cody Ceci maybe?), or a 2nd and a conditional 4th/5th round pick, or a 3rd round pick, or a third line forward...

We've seen no shortage of RHD swapped for relatively little. Just need to know which GMs you can take advantage of!

I am guessing you didn't read my post before you decided to tell me how wrong I am and lumping me into a certain type of Oilers fan that clearly you think know nothing.

For his contract being a value deal. Yes I think he is a value deal because of where he plays and how he does it. In a perfect, he should be down lower. But he's not. On the Oilers, he plays high up, plays over 20 mins a night, lots on the PK, plays against most teams top players and the Oilers do pretty well. Their d numbers back that up. In a perfect world, you have a better guy than Ceci but when Ceci is on the ice he isn't overwhelmed and good things generally happen. You don't win 16 games in a row with a guy playing 20 mins a night on your defense, a ton of PK time if he's crap. Sorry Adam, I don't believe that is possible. So I look at other teams who have good dmen and who they have in their top 4 and I have a hard time finding guys who make what Ceci makes and who are legit better. Most of them make more, many a lot more. So yes, I think that's a value contract because to replace him you will be paying more money to get at min the same level of play as a top 4 guy. So maybe you think differently of what value contract means, but in my opinion, a value contract means you have a player making less money than his peers doing the same job does.

I also laid out a pretty specific set of things I think a Dman needs to have to be an upgrade on Ceci. All the things you listed that he doesn't do great, I would like that upgraded as well. I also listed his contract as being a big criteria because in a cap world, their cap hit matters. I have looked at teams rosters and I haven't been able to find a guy who is better than Ceci, a legit top 4 guy, who's a right shot and who makes the same or less money than Ceci. I am not the type that thinks I am right and everyone is wrong. So if there is a guy I missed who meets the criteria I laid out, please by all means let me know who he is.

The closest guy I have found is Tanev. Now he doesn't meet the money criteria, he makes 1.25 more. Which is the cost of an extra player, maybe 2. So to make the trade work, you'd have to make the Flames eat money. I would be in favor of getting Tanev but as I stated, what's the cost?

#1 Are they willing to trade to the Oilers. Being in RD, I get to hear radio in both markets. Calgary dispises the Oilers. I think Calgary fans hate Edmonton WAY more than the other way. So will Calgary even trade with the Oilers? They have done a couple but not many.

#2 I think there will be a bidding war for Tanev, especially because of the Leafs. So I think Tanev will cost more than he should. Then I think there is the cost of retaining and based on Calgary radio, the Flames as an organization don't like to retain. So I think to get them to retain a decent chunk will cost you a lot. Then there is the trading in the division tax. Then I think there is trading to the Oilers tax. I am of the belief that even though trading Tanev for asset is the right decision for the Flames and most fans know that, trading him to the Oilers and maybe helping them win a cup will be difficult for their fans to stomach so the return has to be HUGE. So I just don't see the cost being worth it. I think if you trade for Tanev at what it would cost just the Oilers, that's all they could do.

So again, so you are clear with my position. I am 100% onboard with upgrading Ceci. But who's the guy and what's the acquisition cost is my question? So I'd love to hear who the guy is in your opinion.

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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 29 January 2024 12:58
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Mon, 29 January 2024 13:30
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Mon, 29 January 2024 14:10
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 29 January 2024 14:16
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Mon, 29 January 2024 14:34
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 29 January 2024 14:52
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Mon, 29 January 2024 16:21
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 29 January 2024 16:29
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Mon, 29 January 2024 16:50
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 29 January 2024 17:03
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Mon, 29 January 2024 18:20
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 30 January 2024 08:36
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 30 January 2024 15:14
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 31 January 2024 08:28
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Wed, 31 January 2024 09:42
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Wed, 31 January 2024 09:47
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Wed, 31 January 2024 10:05
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 31 January 2024 10:55
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 31 January 2024 12:12
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 31 January 2024 12:24
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Fri, 02 February 2024 09:57
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 31 January 2024 10:31
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Mon, 29 January 2024 13:29
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 30 January 2024 10:33
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 30 January 2024 10:39
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 29 January 2024 10:33
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: PlusOne on Mon, 29 January 2024 19:38
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NCREDiBLE on Thu, 25 January 2024 22:14
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Fri, 02 February 2024 08:52
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 02 February 2024 13:39
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Fri, 02 February 2024 13:42
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Fri, 02 February 2024 21:39
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Jakey on Thu, 08 February 2024 08:07
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 February 2024 08:25
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Jakey on Thu, 08 February 2024 08:52
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 February 2024 08:55
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Thu, 08 February 2024 09:07
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 08 February 2024 09:13
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Thu, 08 February 2024 10:14
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Mike on Thu, 08 February 2024 11:47
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 08 February 2024 14:09
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 February 2024 14:42
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 08 February 2024 14:44
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Fri, 09 February 2024 09:13
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Fri, 09 February 2024 09:31
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Fri, 09 February 2024 09:51
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Fri, 09 February 2024 00:09
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Fri, 09 February 2024 09:18
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Fri, 09 February 2024 09:29
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 15 February 2024 15:43
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 15 February 2024 16:03
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NetBOG on Thu, 15 February 2024 16:44
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 15 February 2024 18:14
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Thu, 15 February 2024 18:58
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Thu, 15 February 2024 20:46
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 15 February 2024 21:42
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Fri, 16 February 2024 11:32
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: oilfan94 on Fri, 16 February 2024 12:48
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Fri, 16 February 2024 13:09
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 16 February 2024 17:52
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 February 2024 09:06
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 20 February 2024 11:00
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 20 February 2024 11:17
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 February 2024 12:16
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 20 February 2024 12:57
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 February 2024 13:08
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 20 February 2024 13:37
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 20 February 2024 14:15
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Tue, 20 February 2024 12:49
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Mike on Tue, 20 February 2024 13:01
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 February 2024 13:16
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 20 February 2024 14:19
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Tue, 20 February 2024 14:34
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 20 February 2024 14:42
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 February 2024 14:46
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 20 February 2024 22:28
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Mike on Wed, 21 February 2024 06:26
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 February 2024 08:43
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 21 February 2024 11:02
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 February 2024 11:35
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 21 February 2024 11:50
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Perkele on Wed, 21 February 2024 11:54
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Wed, 21 February 2024 13:08
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 February 2024 15:11
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: smyth260 on Wed, 21 February 2024 15:23
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 February 2024 15:27
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 21 February 2024 15:42
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 February 2024 15:55
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 21 February 2024 16:54
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 21 February 2024 17:22
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Wed, 21 February 2024 17:46
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 21 February 2024 22:03
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 22 February 2024 19:37
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Fri, 23 February 2024 05:32
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Fri, 23 February 2024 08:41
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 23 February 2024 12:41
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: benv on Fri, 23 February 2024 13:00
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 23 February 2024 08:51
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: JPro on Fri, 23 February 2024 12:35
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Fri, 23 February 2024 13:30
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 23 February 2024 13:55
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Sat, 24 February 2024 13:45
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: PlusOne on Sat, 24 February 2024 14:00
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Sat, 24 February 2024 14:31
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 05 March 2024 11:35
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 05 March 2024 12:13
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 22 February 2024 17:39
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 23 February 2024 08:12
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Sun, 25 February 2024 18:11
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 26 February 2024 08:18
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Rowan Oil Fielding on Mon, 04 March 2024 16:31
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 05 March 2024 12:02
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: JPro on Tue, 05 March 2024 12:21
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 05 March 2024 12:40
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 05 March 2024 12:47
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Tue, 05 March 2024 13:22
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Tue, 05 March 2024 17:26
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 06 March 2024 08:17
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Wed, 06 March 2024 09:12
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 06 March 2024 09:49
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Wed, 06 March 2024 10:59
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 13:18
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Wed, 06 March 2024 13:28
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 13:31
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 10:08
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Wed, 06 March 2024 14:06
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Tue, 05 March 2024 16:15
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Suomalainen on Tue, 05 March 2024 12:51
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: benv on Tue, 05 March 2024 13:06
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 05 March 2024 13:08
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Suomalainen on Wed, 06 March 2024 09:53
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 06 March 2024 10:45
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Suomalainen on Wed, 06 March 2024 10:49
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Wed, 06 March 2024 11:02
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: smyth260 on Wed, 06 March 2024 10:21
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 06 March 2024 11:29
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Perkele on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:06
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:24
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:26
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:30
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:41
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:49
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:49
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:52
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 06 March 2024 13:01
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: smyth260 on Wed, 06 March 2024 15:22
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 06 March 2024 15:47
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: smyth260 on Wed, 06 March 2024 15:59
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 06 March 2024 16:01
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 06 March 2024 16:08
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Perkele on Wed, 06 March 2024 16:21
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 16:52
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: smyth260 on Wed, 06 March 2024 16:59
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NetBOG on Wed, 06 March 2024 17:26
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 17:26
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Wed, 06 March 2024 17:16
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 19:15
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 17:36
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Wed, 06 March 2024 17:38
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 19:17
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 19:39
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 20:20
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 20:24
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Wed, 06 March 2024 21:24
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 22:00
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 20:29
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 22:25
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 07 March 2024 08:14
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Suomalainen on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:38
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: smyth260 on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:52
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 07 March 2024 14:51
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 07 March 2024 16:03
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 07 March 2024 15:02
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 07 March 2024 15:14
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Thu, 07 March 2024 16:30
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Thu, 07 March 2024 21:23
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 07 March 2024 21:45
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Red Rage on Fri, 08 March 2024 09:44
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 08 March 2024 13:49
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 08 March 2024 18:41
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Sun, 26 May 2024 21:54

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