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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread [message #827901 is a reply to message #827897 ]	Tue, 05 December 2023 16:41

Skookum Jim
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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 14:57

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 14:47

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 12:59

If Broberg is on the block, it's pretty obvious Holland isn't in charge anymore. Holland thought pretty highly of him and kept him over others.

I am deferring to the new guys in charge on this that use analytics, especially what Parkatti would say. He's followed the Oilers. I am sure he's got numbers on Broberg. If he thinks Broberg is a player, then I doubt they would be cool to give him up.

I'd be using Broberg to bring in a forward that can play in their bottom 6 and change up the mix. There is way too much of the same in the bottom 6.

What numbers? The kid has hardly played.. any data set they have to evaluate is very sparse, and trends contained within it are like trying to find your way on a foggy London street at closing time.

Oilers really screwed with his development.. should have spent more time in the AHL to learn how to play defense in a league full of hairy assed men.. he only played a total of 42 games in Bako (half a season).. rest was up in Oiler-ville "practicing" for the majority of it.. that being said he's only been in North America two years.. too early to give up on an 8th overall, big 6'4" elite skating defensman.. kid is only 22.. those prospects are like gold in the NHL..

If Oilers do trade him.. it better bring back high value.

Desharnais couldn't even do crossovers to his right at that age.. sometimes still can't ;)

Debacle.

Go look at social media and you will see people listing off Broberg's "numbers" and why he should play. So I am sure there is some data on him.

To me, he looks like a future Kulak. He has the size and great skating to be a top 4, big minute dman but he only moves the puck just OK, not great. He can rush the puck if he wants too but doesn't seem to want to do it much. He doesn't seem to have a lot of offensive instincts because doesn't put up big points even in lower levels. I could see him turning into a decent #5 like Kulak is due to his skating, who could play in your top 4, for a few games if needed but will probably leaving you wanting more. He probably needs a few more years of development before he becomes a full time NHLer, if he does.

The damning thing for me is Woody/Manson had Broberg in Baker for several years so he would know what he could do and when he came up to the NHL, for whatever reason, he didn't want to play him much. He didn't play him much last year and when the Oilers defense was a joke this year, he still didn't play him. It's not like the Oilers defense is loaded with All Stars. Knoblauch has come in, he doesn't know the player but obviously nothing jumped off the page that made him want to play him. Coffey has been around the team for a while and watched him and obviously he hasn't seen anything that says he should play over someone either.

So if they can find a trade partner that brings in an asset that helps the Oilers, I would do it but if they don't send him to the minors.

They had Broberg in Bako for a max. of 38 games.. mostly likely a lot less.. this is Broberg's 1st season in North America, and the season Woodcroft took over from Tipper in 2022

Below is Broberg's 2021/2022 season transactions (from CF).. Woodcroft was only in Bako for first half of the season.. some are paper transactions but still .. kid was (and has been) in the Twilight Zone for quite a while..

The more I look at how he was handled I realize this could be another Petry give away, except Petry was going UFA and his next contract after leaving was $5.5M.. not same with Broberg.. he's still on ELC and then RFA.. no pressure to deal him at this time.. too high risk he turns into something good and all you get is a case of beer that's past expiry.

May 17, 2022	Philip Broberg	NHL 
		
May 13, 2022	Philip Broberg	Minors 
		
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May 6, 2022	Philip Broberg	NHL 
		
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May 1, 2022	Philip Broberg	NHL 
		
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Dec. 28, 2021	Philip Broberg	Taxi Squad 
		
Dec. 26, 2021	Philip Broberg	Emergency Loan Recall
		
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Dec. 11, 2021	Philip Broberg	NHL 
		
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Nov. 20, 2021	Philip Broberg	NHL 
		
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Oct. 3, 2021	Philip Broberg	Minors

[Updated on: Tue, 05 December 2023 16:56]

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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Wed, 31 January 2024 10:05
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 31 January 2024 12:12
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 31 January 2024 12:24
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Fri, 02 February 2024 09:57
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 31 January 2024 10:31
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Mon, 29 January 2024 13:29
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 30 January 2024 10:33
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 30 January 2024 10:39
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 29 January 2024 10:33
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: PlusOne on Mon, 29 January 2024 19:38
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NCREDiBLE on Thu, 25 January 2024 22:14
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Fri, 02 February 2024 08:52
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 02 February 2024 13:39
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Fri, 02 February 2024 13:42
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Fri, 02 February 2024 21:39
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Jakey on Thu, 08 February 2024 08:07
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 February 2024 08:25
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Jakey on Thu, 08 February 2024 08:52
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Thu, 08 February 2024 09:07
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 08 February 2024 09:13
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Thu, 08 February 2024 10:14
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Mike on Thu, 08 February 2024 11:47
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 08 February 2024 14:09
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 February 2024 14:42
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 08 February 2024 14:44
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Fri, 09 February 2024 09:13
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Fri, 09 February 2024 09:31
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Fri, 09 February 2024 09:51
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Fri, 09 February 2024 00:09
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Fri, 09 February 2024 09:18
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Fri, 09 February 2024 09:29
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 15 February 2024 15:43
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 15 February 2024 16:03
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NetBOG on Thu, 15 February 2024 16:44
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 15 February 2024 18:14
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Thu, 15 February 2024 18:58
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Thu, 15 February 2024 20:46
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 15 February 2024 21:42
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Fri, 16 February 2024 11:32
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: oilfan94 on Fri, 16 February 2024 12:48
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Fri, 16 February 2024 13:09
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 16 February 2024 17:52
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 February 2024 09:06
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 20 February 2024 11:00
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 February 2024 12:16
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 February 2024 13:08
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 20 February 2024 14:15
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Tue, 20 February 2024 12:49
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Mike on Tue, 20 February 2024 13:01
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 February 2024 13:16
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 20 February 2024 14:19
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Tue, 20 February 2024 14:34
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 20 February 2024 14:42
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 February 2024 14:46
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 20 February 2024 22:28
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Mike on Wed, 21 February 2024 06:26
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 February 2024 08:43
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 21 February 2024 11:02
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 February 2024 11:35
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 21 February 2024 11:50
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Perkele on Wed, 21 February 2024 11:54
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Wed, 21 February 2024 13:08
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 February 2024 15:11
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: smyth260 on Wed, 21 February 2024 15:23
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 21 February 2024 15:42
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 21 February 2024 16:54
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 21 February 2024 17:22
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Wed, 21 February 2024 17:46
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 21 February 2024 22:03
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 22 February 2024 19:37
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Fri, 23 February 2024 05:32
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Fri, 23 February 2024 08:41
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 23 February 2024 12:41
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: benv on Fri, 23 February 2024 13:00
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 23 February 2024 08:51
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: JPro on Fri, 23 February 2024 12:35
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Fri, 23 February 2024 13:30
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 23 February 2024 13:55
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Sat, 24 February 2024 13:45
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: PlusOne on Sat, 24 February 2024 14:00
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Sat, 24 February 2024 14:31
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 05 March 2024 11:35
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 05 March 2024 12:13
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 22 February 2024 17:39
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 23 February 2024 08:12
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Sun, 25 February 2024 18:11
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Rowan Oil Fielding on Mon, 04 March 2024 16:31
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 05 March 2024 12:02
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 05 March 2024 12:40
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 05 March 2024 12:47
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Tue, 05 March 2024 13:22
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Tue, 05 March 2024 17:26
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 06 March 2024 08:17
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Wed, 06 March 2024 09:12
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 06 March 2024 09:49
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Wed, 06 March 2024 10:59
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 13:18
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Wed, 06 March 2024 13:28
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 10:08
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Wed, 06 March 2024 14:06
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Tue, 05 March 2024 16:15
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Suomalainen on Tue, 05 March 2024 12:51
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: benv on Tue, 05 March 2024 13:06
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Tue, 05 March 2024 13:08
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Suomalainen on Wed, 06 March 2024 09:53
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 06 March 2024 10:45
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Suomalainen on Wed, 06 March 2024 10:49
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: inverno76 on Wed, 06 March 2024 11:02
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: smyth260 on Wed, 06 March 2024 10:21
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 06 March 2024 11:29
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Perkele on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:06
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:24
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:26
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:30
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:41
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:49
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:49
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:52
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 06 March 2024 13:01
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: smyth260 on Wed, 06 March 2024 15:22
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 06 March 2024 15:47
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: smyth260 on Wed, 06 March 2024 15:59
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Wed, 06 March 2024 16:01
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 06 March 2024 16:08
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Perkele on Wed, 06 March 2024 16:21
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 16:52
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: smyth260 on Wed, 06 March 2024 16:59
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NetBOG on Wed, 06 March 2024 17:26
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 17:26
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Wed, 06 March 2024 17:16
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 19:15
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 17:36
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Wed, 06 March 2024 17:38
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 19:17
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 19:39
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 20:20
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 20:24
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Wed, 06 March 2024 21:24
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 06 March 2024 22:00
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Kr55 on Wed, 06 March 2024 22:25
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 07 March 2024 08:14
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Suomalainen on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:38
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: smyth260 on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:52
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 07 March 2024 14:51
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 07 March 2024 16:03
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 07 March 2024 15:14
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Adam on Thu, 07 March 2024 21:23
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Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 08 March 2024 13:49
Re: 2023-24 Speculation Thread	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 08 March 2024 18:41
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