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Re: Gotta Get a Goalie! [message #827417 is a reply to message #827413 ]	Tue, 21 November 2023 15:34

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 November 2023 15:12

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 21 November 2023 14:37

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Adam wrote on Tue, 21 November 2023 13:43

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 21 November 2023 12:02

Good luck to your organization in attracting other free agents or resigning guys in the future when you openly go out of your way to screw a player out of money that your organization agreed to pay. By waiving Brown with the intent to make it so he doesn't get the game he needed to earn his bonus, you are purposefully trying to screw him over.

Not to mention, you would be backstabbing your captain and best player who is a friend of Brown's but more importantly, actively recruited Brown, told him how they needed him and how great the organization was to it's players. Brown admitted in an interview on Luke Gazdic's podcast that the reason he picked the Oilers, because he had other teams after him, was because McD took him for dinner and sold him on the team.

Not to mention, Jeff Jackson was Brown's agent. So he would also be tarnishing his reputation among the players around the league as a guy looking to screw players over any chance he gets.

So while I completely understand the concerns over his contract, I have concerns as well, it would have been incredibly stupid of the organization to go out of their way to screw over a player. It's one thing to put a player who's a little banged up but could probably gut it out if he had too, on LTIR. That player doesn't get to play but he gets paid. It's next level to do something to stop a player from earning the money he was promised. That's pretty slimy.

I completely disagree. He wasn't promised that money. It's a bonus.

If someone has bonuses, then they need to earn them. If you don't deserve 10 games on your play, then I think players everywhere can understand that. Everyone can read a stats line of 0-0-0, including a bunch of time spent on lines with some of the top talents in the league. And everyone understands how critical cap space is.

If you need to talk to McDavid about it, it's pretty easy to explain to him too. That $3MM has a lot of value for next year. His junior buddy has contributed nothing towards helping the team win so far. If he goes to the AHL and lights it up, then it would have been a decision to make about whether that player is deserving of another shot. As it is, the Oilers just suited him up in a couple more games, paid him $3.225MM and in an extra 26 minutes of ice time, he's managed 0-0-0 with a single shot.

11 games now. 0-0-0. 14 shots. 0 PiMs. -5. 7 hits. 2 blocked shots. And we've handicapped ourselves for next year by creating over $3MM in dead cap for that.

As for the GM being his agent - he can't show favouritism in his current role for former clients. And the Oilers need to make all these decisions based on merit and logic and what helps the team win a Cup. Not what is nice to a guy because he's a good soldier, or I used to be his agent or he's buddies with the captain.

You couldn't be more wrong.

When you hand out a bonus that is so easy to get, you are intending on pay him that money as part of his years salary. They are using it like the Bruins did last year with Bergeron to basically circumvent the cap. There is a whole list of injuries he could get and still play 10 games and earn that bonus. It's got ZERO to do with earning anything. If you want to make him earn it then you attach it to a certain amount of goals or points or something else more difficult to attain than 10 games.

Jackson is supposed to be looking out for the Oilers now 100%. Katz is probably paying him the highest salary of his life right now to try to stop this team from being embarrassing and it's only become more embarrassing since Jackson was hired. Brown has looked busted, and probably should just be happy to get 800k for what he's accomplished so far. When did the NHL turn into a uncompetitive league where everyone's feelings were more important than trying to win? We keep running things like that, we'll definitely never win anything.

The Oilers got a layup opportunity to try to fix a bad mistake. Someone like Lou would have 100% demoted Brown for the good of the team this year and the next. Our org is run by slackers with zero vision that think their gut feel will always lead to victory.

Come on man. You are a smart guy, you know it's got nothing to do with hurting people's feelings. You can't seriously believe how a team treats it's players doesn't get talked about around the league and doesn't impact how players think about a team. These guys take into consideration what the dressing room looks like for gawd sake when signing.

The players are human beings, where their personal opinions, what they hear, the reputation of the team, all play a factor in their decision. If a player has comparable offers from the Oilers and someone else and the Oilers screwed another player out of money, of course that will play a factor in them choosing the Oilers.

Honestly, at this point, our management showing they are actually serious about winning might actually draw more interest from players around the league. Our org is probably seen as a joke at this point. Doubt many are blind about how this org has been run since Katz took over.

Jackson dropping the hammer and doing stuff like demoting Brown, and explaining how we can't sacrifice our 24/25 cap space because of poor management (Holland fired already of course), and the Oilers are 100% committed to winning by any means would probably raise some eyebrows, in a good way.

Right now, the view of this org is still just a clown show of friends, with Paul Coffey now to the rescue. It's laughable. No player that pays attention should sign here without a massive overpay because you know you're going into the worst managed team in the league for a decade and a half straight.

Serious question, how much do you actually think winning matters to players? I am not talking just the Oilers, I am talking in general across the league?

Just my opinion but I think the majority of players want to win to a degree, you don't get to the highest league in the world unless you are competitive but this is a business and the most important thing these guys want is to be paid. They want to make as much money as they can and if they win on top of that, even better but make sure they max out on their career earnings. I am not complaining about that, I don't blame them, I would do the same thing if I was in their position. But if money wasn't the most important thing, and all they truly wanted was to win championships while making a decent wage, you'd see them not try to max out their contracts to save some cap space to make their team better.

So if the Oilers decided "sorry Brown, I know we said we'd pay you that 3.25 mill for playing 10 games but after 9 games, you aren't looking too good so down you go. Sucks to be you man, no bonus now." I don't believe for 1 second, players around the league would be going "Oh wow, look at the Oilers, those guys are serious about winning, I want to be with them." They'd be thinking the Oilers organization is a bunch of uncaring A-holes willing to screw over players any chance they get as soon as anything doesn't go perfect.

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Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Adam on Mon, 20 November 2023 14:02
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Kr55 on Mon, 20 November 2023 16:09
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Adam on Mon, 20 November 2023 17:07
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: nullterm on Mon, 20 November 2023 20:28
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Mike on Tue, 21 November 2023 07:55
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Adam on Tue, 21 November 2023 10:47
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 20 November 2023 20:51
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 21 November 2023 12:02
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Adam on Tue, 21 November 2023 13:43
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 21 November 2023 13:55
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Adam on Tue, 21 November 2023 13:56
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 21 November 2023 14:00
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 21 November 2023 14:20
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 21 November 2023 14:43
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Adam on Tue, 21 November 2023 16:41
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Kr55 on Tue, 21 November 2023 14:21
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 21 November 2023 14:37
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 21 November 2023 14:50
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Kr55 on Tue, 21 November 2023 15:12
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Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Kr55 on Tue, 21 November 2023 15:48
Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 21 November 2023 15:51
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Re: Gotta Get a Goalie!	By: Kr55 on Tue, 21 November 2023 18:33
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