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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #11) [message #826743 is a reply to message #826739 ]	Tue, 07 November 2023 10:23

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 November 2023 09:09

g2k wrote on Tue, 07 November 2023 00:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 07 November 2023 00:27

I watched the Woody comments and I actually appreciate his position. Top scoring defenceman is going to be important to help you claw back in the game. Benching guys for mistakes doesn’t actually fix much of anything.

And I appreciate his defence of his goalies too - even as I think they’re a huge part of the team’s failures this year. There’s nothing positive that comes from a coach running down his players to the media - especially to hacks like Spector. I appreciate him having his players’ backs in those scrums. He can scream and shout at them or whatever behind closed doors but outside that room? His job isn’t to provide soundbites and helpful quotes for the local hatchetman.

Sorry, but I find myself wondering if part of the problem is a coach that is waaaaay too soft. I fear he bookends everything negative with careful positives in the room like he does outside of it. Yeah, I hate Spector too, but I’m getting tired of seeing players repeat the same dumb mistakes night after night from the stars down to the Vincents. Maybe other teams have players throughout entire line up that keep repeating the same dumb mistakes and reacting passively, but are winning hockey games, but I’m just not noticing.

I agree with you. I'm not much of a fan of Spector. He's become more of an entertainment value guy in that he goes to try and shock/stir the pot. Every market has them. That being said, I appreciate him asking Woody about Bouchard and I 100% agree the coach brings ZERO accountability.

I have no doubt in my mind the coaches have talked to Bouchard about plays like that MANY times. It wouldn't shock me if a guy like Ekholm who gets hung out to dry by him has talked to him about it. The message isn't getting to him. Either Bouchard is just stupid which might be the actual case OR he doesn't give a damn. When your team is down a goal, when your team is struggling, when your goalies aren't playing well, it clicks into most people's mind that maybe I need to be a little more careful here. For Bouchard, he has ZERO defensive awareness and that thought NEVER comes to mind. All he thinks about in my opinion is about scoring and getting his. The pinch he did was so LOW percentage of working, anyone with half a brain wouldn't do it. Then you factor in how nonchalantly he did it and how hard he did to avoid ANY kind of contact, then the icing on the cake is he slowly skates back like he's going for a public skate. If you are going to be stupid and do that pinch, then at least pinch down freaking hard, fast and if you miss the puck, you better get part of the body. He did ZERO of that.

So then when asked about it, Woody talks about how he's one of the best offensive dmen so they can't bench him to send a message. You are losing games because your team makes too many mistakes, that being a glaring example. I am sure you have talked to him many times, you have worked on it in practice, you have had video sessions with him. HE's not changing how he plays, the message isn't sinking in. So all you did even though I get you need some offense is tell him "do what you want Evan, I'm good with that play, carry on". Why the hell would a player who clearly either is stupid, doesn't give a damn or probably a combination of both change his behavior if he doesn't have too? Most human beings are a create of habit and at times a bit lazy. We don't change ANYTHING unless we have too because it'sway easier to do the same thing over and over again.

They can't change anything. The coach has no other options. Sure, you want to bench Bouchard, that's fine, but who do you want playing in that spot? Ceci, Kulak, Nurse, or the other guy? Those are your only choices. The Oilers have left themselves no options, no back up, no contingency. I agree with you, Bouchard needs 2 games in the pressbox and a week without cherry time on the PP. They don't have the bodies to do that. And because of the bind Holland put Woodcroft in, he can't take the long view where they lose a game by cuting off their nose to spite the face. Woodcroft has to win and he has to win now or he's going to get fired... and he's going to get fired. So what's the expectation from Spector here? He thinks Woodcroft should sit what is actually the best option on the backend for a comeback while waiting around to get fired by stubbornly holding the moral high ground? Sheer lunacy.

Now, if Spector was a decent reporter he could ask how to impose responsibility when he has literally no other options since his 7th defenseman was sent down because the donkey GM put him in a situation where injuries to Connor Brown and Mattias Janmark could wreck the lineup, but that would require intellectual honesty and the Oilers can't allow that.

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Review: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #11)	By: OilFans on Mon, 06 November 2023 22:30
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