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Re: Review: Nashville @ Edmonton (Game #10) [message #826631 is a reply to message #826630 ]	Sun, 05 November 2023 16:00

Kr55
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Adam wrote on Sun, 05 November 2023 14:16

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 05 November 2023 11:12

IMO, there are maybe a handful of goalies that could keep their confidence up long term with the way we defend the rush and in our zone. And I don't trust Holland to get any of them. I think most others, we will grind down into the ground like all the rest before. Schwartz may be a significant multiplying factor to how fast any new Oilers goalie will regress.

As I said, there's definitely other areas of the team to worry about, but both these guys have major flaws in their games and have just not been able to perform at a level that gives us any expectation of success. They are not seeing anywhere close to the most high danger shots against - they just can't stop almost any high danger chance.

And it's not like we haven't seen the act from both guys before. They're just losing games for us. Saw NHL Analyst Mike Kelly on twitter today saying that in both games where the Oilers have had a positive goaltending performance, they've won, but every single other game this year, they're playing below replacement level and that's costing us games.

It is possible that the possession game that the Oilers have been playing in the opposition zone leaves them a little vulnerable to counter-attack, but you need to get a save sometimes. I was saying to some friends yesterday - while when Foegele has a breakaway, it's hard to even get excited now because you know it's not going in, the reverse is true for a breakaway on Skinner or Campbell. It seems a huge longshot that either will stop it so may as well just skate to center the second someone pulls away from their mark.

I think the shooting percentage for the Oilers is going to go way up yet. We've hit a lot of posts, we're getting good chances in a lot of these games. I think that the defence is capable of tightening up - certainly, there are some veterans making bad decisions, and we're still at risk of being beaten by speed any time that Desharnais is on the ice. But I'm not sure that the goalie answers are in-house. Skinner got a good stretch last year, but how much was other team's not having much of a book on him yet? It seems like the Kings and Knights both figured out that puzzle last year and everyone seems to know it now. Campbell? Well, despite all his commitment in the off-season, and all the plaudits that Stauffer, Spector and others gave him for being good at stopping AHLers in pre-season, he's not a great goalie. He's positionally weak, and his athleticism is failing to get him back in to the path of pucks. Might have been good to ask why the Leafs preferred Matt Murray coming off some terrible seasons to him prior to giving him a huge contract.

If we're going to give this team any fighting chance of success this year, we need a goalie solution soon - or it isn't going to matter if they fix some of the defensive coverage and start converting a few more shots in to goals...

Agreed on Holland though - first step is to flush Old Dutch.

As it stands today, definitely, both these goalies look cooked. Like, end of Talbot's and Dubnyk's time here kind of cooked. Personally, I think they have better to give, but the situation is now such that it's like climbing Mount Everest for them to get their games back. And Schwartz and Woody and Holland and how the team plays are throwing rocks at them while they try to climb. And maybe they're not even that good of climbers, but that's largely on the scouts and GM then because we chose to commit long term to both. We have all the time in the world to evaluate Campbell before deciding he was the guy. Those same decision makers would be the people finding the next goalie.

If we do want to bring in a legit elite goalie, maybe the timing would be best to do it around the deadline. Less time to get beaten down. Catch is that we need to be in a playoff spot still :) But if we can find a way to just survive, and fire Holland and get actual competent goalie scouting going to pick some targets, maybe it can all work out in the end. Tall order, hope Jackson is thinking hard right now.

[Updated on: Sun, 05 November 2023 16:02]

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Review: Nashville @ Edmonton (Game #10)	By: OilFans on Sat, 04 November 2023 15:30
Re: Review: Nashville @ Edmonton (Game #10)	By: CrusaderPi on Sat, 04 November 2023 15:41
Re: Review: Nashville @ Edmonton (Game #10)	By: Kr55 on Sat, 04 November 2023 15:42
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Re: Review: Nashville @ Edmonton (Game #10)	By: Kr55 on Sat, 04 November 2023 15:52
Re: Review: Nashville @ Edmonton (Game #10)	By: nullterm on Sat, 04 November 2023 16:21
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Re: Review: Nashville @ Edmonton (Game #10)	By: Ragnarok73 on Sat, 04 November 2023 17:30
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Re: Review: Nashville @ Edmonton (Game #10)	By: Kr55 on Sun, 05 November 2023 11:12
Re: Review: Nashville @ Edmonton (Game #10)	By: Adam on Sun, 05 November 2023 14:16
Re: Review: Nashville @ Edmonton (Game #10)	By: Kr55 on Sun, 05 November 2023 16:00

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