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Re: McLeod files for arbitration [message #824925 is a reply to message #824922 ]	Wed, 05 July 2023 15:50

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2023 15:11

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 05 July 2023 15:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2023 15:02

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 05 July 2023 14:56

That's disappointing. Guys who go to arbitration tend to get paid too much in my opinion. I like McLeod but he has big time consistency problems, way too often he plays a perimeter game when a guy his size and speed should be driving the net all the time and his career high is 23 pt. I look at what you actually produced vs what you might. If a person looks at his game logs, they will see a guy who will pile up a bunch of points in a short span, then go really long stretches where you have to check the game sheet to know he existed that game.

Doubling his salary to be around 1.5 mill should be more than fair.

If arbitrators consistently paid guys too much, they'd stop being selected as arbitrators.

I don't have a list of all the arb case results but I don't recall seeing an arb case where I come away thinking. "wow, what a great deal". The players tend to do pretty well.

That says more about your evaluation of players than the arbitration system. I'll say it again, if arbitrators consistently awarded too much they would stop being selected as arbitrators. If arbitrators occasionally awarded too much, teams would walk away from the players. If the system was fundamentally flawed it would have been changed in bargaining or become a bargaining issue.

Also says something about GMs vs. Agents, if the Agents tend to be more convincing more of the time.

That suggests that they're just better at their job. It's all about finding the right comparables and making a strong case. If teams aren't doing that, then they are going to struggle, but it is worth noting, when they're negotiating contracts, they're arguing against these exact same agents.

To me, that's a hire-better-GMs problem.

With regards to McLeod - what RDOF describes is a third line player. If he was consistently producing night in and night out, then he'd have a lot more points and he'd be a top line player and be about to get paid a lot more.

There is definitely a scenario here with McLeod where the team is forced to either walk away from a decision, or needs to trade someone else. If I'm in Holland's shoes, I would be checking constantly to see where there are takers for my over-priced contracts (Foegele, Ceci, Kulak, Nurse, Kane, Campbell) and what I can get in return for those players to clear more cap room. Between this and the danger of an offer sheet for Bouchard, the Oilers need to find some flexibility. I think it's likely there's a market for some of those players, so find someone who values them more, and see what is out there as potential replacements at a lower cost. I wouldn't make an announcement to DNB that I'm only having conversations as a means to clearing more cap room too. Let someone else read through the lines, rather than making it super clear as it'll only result in them trying to charge you an asset to take someone they might actually value.

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McLeod files for arbitration	By: Adam on Wed, 05 July 2023 14:29
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 05 July 2023 14:43
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 05 July 2023 14:56
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: Skoobz on Wed, 05 July 2023 14:58
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 05 July 2023 15:02
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 05 July 2023 15:05
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 05 July 2023 15:11
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 05 July 2023 15:45
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: smyth260 on Wed, 05 July 2023 15:52
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 05 July 2023 16:02
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: Adam on Wed, 05 July 2023 16:06
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: Adam on Wed, 05 July 2023 15:54
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: Adam on Wed, 05 July 2023 15:50
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 05 July 2023 16:08
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: Adam on Wed, 05 July 2023 16:14
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: Adam on Wed, 05 July 2023 16:17
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: inverno76 on Thu, 06 July 2023 15:21
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 06 July 2023 15:31
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: Adam on Thu, 06 July 2023 16:30
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: inverno76 on Thu, 06 July 2023 21:53
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: Adam on Thu, 06 July 2023 17:00
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: inverno76 on Thu, 06 July 2023 21:43
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: Goose on Wed, 05 July 2023 18:05
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 05 July 2023 15:29
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 05 July 2023 16:05
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 05 July 2023 16:12
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: Adam on Wed, 05 July 2023 16:09
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Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 06 July 2023 12:59
Re: McLeod files for arbitration	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 06 July 2023 13:07
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