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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824740 is a reply to message #824730 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 15:22

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 14:51

Burgeoboy wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 14:31

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 17:43

Burgeoboy wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 13:30

I don't get how, not the out come you expected/wanted = Lazy.

to me the lazy way would have been buying him out 15 mins after the window open. It seems to me Holland spent the whole buy out window trying to trade him for an asset but when he couldn't he took the best option he had available.

I am not sure how one "makes a market" for Yamamoto, I am no GM, and certainly not as wise as many here, so maybe I am missing something, but there nothing you could due to convince me you pay anything for these guys, unless Kostin signs a cheap deal, If I am an NHL GM I am not taking this deal. The Islanders just had to give up a 2nd to move Joshua Bailey, yes he older and makes more, but production is similar.

So, out side of the hockey master minds here at Oil fans, that could have gotten a return for Yamamoto, (I assume all it would have taken is some creativity!!!). I think this is a decent move. He didn't buy out Yamamoto and create dead cap space (I know how much everyone here hates that) and he also didn't do the second cardinal sin of over paying 4th liners by $500,000 and or even worse give him a second year!!!.

If Kostin asked for 1 mill and we traded him rather than sign him, then that changes my outlook on this deal, but if he wanted over 1.5 + for 2 to 3 year and if he doesn't get it hes Russia bound, then I would say Holland made the right call and while he didn't get a return (not sure how he could, but again I lack creativity) . This is much better than the other options.

I am no Holland supporter and I don't normally post here, but when I saw this deal, I though yeah that make sense, no way anyone could take issue with this, hell Holland might have even be creative here, you won't take my over paid, under sized, under producing winger (who plays with the best centers in the world)for nothing? how about I give you a 4th liner that going leave for Russia if you don't over pay him? I honestly though this was the one deal that fit all of Oil Fans requirements, but I stand corrected.

The move only has to be done right now because Holland has willingly walked himself into a corner by constantly and consistently making the easy move at the wrong time. So if you're making a trade where you have an asset like Yammo who despite his productivity and injury issues is still a young player who has scored 20, why do it now? Maybe a team doesn't get a 2nd/3rd line winger to score in free agency and needs something in 3 weeks? Maybe the team decides they actually do need someone who could / should score 10/15/20 and $3 million isn't actually that expensive for someone right now, as we've seen this week. Not that scenario generation matters here. Holland has his eyes set on a certain free agency outcome for July 1 so he needed to open up Cap Space and he needed to do it now. So he plays with the levers. Not to make the team as good as possible, but to reach his desired outcomes. It's honestly not a terrible move at the this time and place. For me, it's just watching another player be whittled away to zero so we can watch another box checking exercise this weekend. It's all so predictable. Compare and contrast the Oiler philosophy of waiting too long and getting literally nothing in return to Vegas who just said, "thanks for helping us win a cup, but we want to get younger and cheaper".

This only applies to the Yammo move. Kostin was a one and done, easily replaced player. He actually is a player with no value.

I couldn't agree more. he backed himself in to a corner and took the best route out he could, ideally, hes not in the corner, but once he is, that is the reality we have to live in. Given that reality I like the deal.

I see this as a straight line path to the next corner.

If this move opened up the space to push the Oilers forward, I'd like it. I just see it as the next repetition of a cycle where the Oilers only try to paper over their obvious issues. Maybe I'm just being too pessimistic but as we come nearer to the end* of McDavid and Draisaitl, I find I'm less patient with stuff like this.

*either in 2 years or in 10, the clock is ticking. This will end.

The core is set. I would like to see Kane moved, but this what we can expect going forward. We are papering over our holes on a year to year basis. The bottom 6 will have a couple changes. The top 6 will have a player slide in and out. The core is there to stay for the parade.

The defense is the question mark.

Another thought. Would you rather have a set roster with no wiggle room, or some cap space for deadline acquisitions? Some Ekholm-like deals will be available in the spring of 2024.

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Yams & Klim to Det	By: Suomalainen on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:36
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