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Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers [message #824253 is a reply to message #824251 ]	Tue, 13 June 2023 18:15

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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 13 June 2023 17:01

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:48

Well, yes. If the Oilers had a general manager who had a track record in Edmonton of making smart decisions that made the hockey team better and didn't ignore obvious problems despite watching those problems tank the team year after stupid year people likely would have a garnered a bit of trust.

But we don't have that. We're Oilers fans. Without having earned that trust earned by years of steady management and smart decision making the prudent course of action is to assume this signing won't solve the same problems that have existed for years. These problems include depth forwards who should help with scoring, defensive coverage, the PK all of which have been a problem for DK's entire time in Edmonton.

So the question should not be, 'is this a good value contract for 2 years of Derek Ryan?' It might be, but it doesn't answer whether or not Derek Ryan is the right player to fix the problems the Oilers have. Does DK solve the problems DK couldn't solve? Personally I'd rather have a more expensive fix for the problem than a cheaper continuation of the problem.

Now, this is a cheap contract and a good price for a Derek Ryan. The secondary question is, why do you need Derek Ryan right now on June 13th? He obviously wants to be here, which is nice, and the small cap savings is also nice, but it does tie the Oilers hands as they enter into the pre-draft trade window and free agency. Maybe that 800k could have been better spent? We'll never know because this was a deal that obviously couldn't wait until July 13th or August 13th or September 13th. Apparently when you have the chance to sign a 36 year depth player on slightly cheaper contract you have to do it right freaking now. Priority A1+.

Thirdly, if you're buying a lower cap hit with extra years that can be buried, why not go 3 years at a buck over the league minimum? a half million in cost savings is better than 300k, right?

So all in all, it's not a terrible signing, but I have a couple of big picture concerns.

I also hope that Ken's obvious cap circumvention by having this somehow not count as a 35+ contract doesn't cost the Oilers a 3rd round pick.

If the plan was to re-sign Derek Ryan at that value all along, what matter does it make when he signs it? You can be over the salary cap until opening night of the 23/24 season. That salary does not tie the hands of anyone. The team has identified a player that brings an intrinsic value to the team that has been identified as a need. Derek Ryan helps this team right now, and we could use more players like him (but younger). Plus they can still add around him, or even replace him entirely.

Third point is kinda crazy talk. Why not offer him 5 years? I think you might be getting a bit defensive in your stance.

The third point is crazy talk, but I'd argue it's exactly as crazy as the second year.

There are four reasons to wait:
1. You might find a better Derek Ryan is available
2. You might need flexibility to make a draft day trade, the extra 900k could help. Yes, you can go over the cap in summer, but ultimately you have to get below it. Why risk having to send him down this season? You might also be able to give him an extra 50k if savings are found elsewhere. I know the Oilers aren't starting with LTIRs next year, but someone might blow out a knee this summer. Flexibility matters.
3. You might need cap space to defend against a move on a particular RFA
4. It's Derek Ryan, let's figure out Bouchard first THEN get onto the hard work of re-signing Derek Ryan.
Bonus reason #5. I'm not worried about losing Derek Ryan. There are many Derek Ryans out there.

Again, I'm not necessarily opposed to another year (2 years) of Derek Ryan, but why is this the first move.

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Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Rocksteady on Tue, 13 June 2023 13:21
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 13 June 2023 13:31
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: smyth260 on Tue, 13 June 2023 13:48
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Adam on Tue, 13 June 2023 14:03
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Kr55 on Tue, 13 June 2023 23:48
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Steve on Wed, 14 June 2023 15:10
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: oilfan94 on Tue, 13 June 2023 13:50
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Kr55 on Tue, 13 June 2023 14:00
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:05
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Adam on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:15
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:28
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: clutchlikeeberle on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:57
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:00
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: inverno76 on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:47
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:48
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: inverno76 on Tue, 13 June 2023 17:01
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 13 June 2023 18:15
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: inverno76 on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:35
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: clutchlikeeberle on Tue, 13 June 2023 17:45
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Adam on Wed, 14 June 2023 00:41
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: inverno76 on Wed, 14 June 2023 08:32
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Adam on Wed, 14 June 2023 10:44
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: inverno76 on Wed, 14 June 2023 08:41
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Rocksteady on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:02
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:09
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: inverno76 on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:38
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 14 June 2023 08:37
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