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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken [message #824194 is a reply to message #824192 ]	Wed, 07 June 2023 16:17

Adam
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 07 June 2023 15:16

When you comment on what I say, do you ever just comment on what I actually say or just twist it to suit your narrative?

In my comment that you quoted in this particular thread, it literally says I can't remember a person advocating to trade Skinner BEFORE THE PLAYOFFS started. I am talking about stuff that happened in April so you drag out a quote from mid December.

So I am taking about trading the guy and you drag out a comment I made about his contract. How the hell are they related? Which in case you are wondering, I stand by what I said regarding the contract because I would have waited until the end of the season to sign him but it looks like it will probably be OK.

But you win PI. You and Adam win. I have repeated myself so many times on this topic, you have beat the will to comment on it anymore. I can only take so much irrational chatter before I am at my limit. Congrats!

You repeat yourself because you don't read what others are saying. For example, you keep talking about people making decisions based on 12 bad (average) games. No one but you is talking about that. We're having a deeper conversation, but you got married to a point and we're all going for a ride on it. It's actually fun having a foil to bounce ideas off of.

I did read what you wrote. It's why I didn't say you wanted to trade him. You didn't. I said there are questions, which is true. Which is also how they're related comments. You (and me) had questions about Skinner when the contract was signed 6 months ago and now I still have questions but you're firmly entrenched in your Skinner cannot be trade under any circumstance position (the direct quote is, "No one will convince me otherwise that the people in here or in social media who are advocating to trade Skinner because of 12 games in the playoffs or advocating to get rid of Campbell because of 1 bad season when if you look at his career, he's normally .914 or better, to me is a complete borderline irrational overreaction.") and therefore refuse any discussion on the issue.

I do wonder which radio personality said 'you can't trade Skinner because of 12 bad games' though. Mostly because you can actually trade away players based on 12 bad games but also because it's such a flawed thought process to first frame an opposing argument then only argue against that.

It's odd that you can sign a player to a long-term deal for 12 or so good games, but trading them for 12 bad ones is off-limits!

I agree entirely. No one is suggesting he's irredeemable or that he sucks or that his playoffs are something that no one can overcome. People are just weighing the riskiness of that tandem on a season that means EVERYTHING to the Edmonton Oilers.

I will say, I think a big part of that is Oilers fans refusing to believe that bad things like Draisaitl and McDavid leaving can happen. It's amazing after all the bad stuff that HAS happened to us as fans, but what can I say, hope springs eternal and it's always just "we'll get them next year." Hey, but if they do leave, at least we can count on a few things:

- the media will point out that they had to go elsewhere to learn how to win, it could never have happened here.
- the team will find ways to insinuate that they just didn't want to be here and there's nothing that anyone could have done. They didn't like the fishbowl or the weather or the pressure of playing in Canada or that fan in Section 221 who had the mean sign that one game...
- management will disappoint in the return we're able to get for them - or will buy in to the optimism and keep them for that one last season, only to act as if they just got shivved when the players sign as UFAs elsewhere
- NetBOG will develop an undying irrational hatred of them for the rest of their careers.

It's nice to have some certainties in life.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
~~#FireLowe~~ #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

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2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Mon, 05 June 2023 16:22
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 06 June 2023 09:14
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 10:48
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:09
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:39
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 06 June 2023 14:02
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 17:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:06
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:56
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:29
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 17:30
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:59
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:31
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:12
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Tue, 06 June 2023 19:32
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: NetBOG on Tue, 06 June 2023 23:23
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Wed, 07 June 2023 07:11
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:18
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:44
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:07
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:31
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 13:21
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 07 June 2023 13:54
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 14:35
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 07 June 2023 14:48
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 14:54
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 15:16
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 15:58
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:05
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:04
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:17
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:26
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:04
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 June 2023 08:32
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 08 June 2023 08:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 08 June 2023 13:41
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 08 June 2023 14:21
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:56
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:23
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 10:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 10:59
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 11:37
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:44
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:54
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 10:50
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 June 2023 14:48
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Goose on Thu, 08 June 2023 16:07
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 13 June 2023 13:57
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:08
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:20
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 14 June 2023 13:01
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 14 June 2023 14:31
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 14 June 2023 15:04
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 14 June 2023 15:35
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 14 June 2023 17:14
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Wed, 14 June 2023 17:35
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 15 June 2023 08:24
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Goose on Thu, 15 June 2023 13:23
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 15 June 2023 13:29
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 15 June 2023 13:48
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Thu, 15 June 2023 16:17
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Fri, 16 June 2023 14:18
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Fri, 16 June 2023 14:56
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 16 June 2023 15:44
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Fri, 16 June 2023 15:46
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 16 June 2023 16:05
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Fri, 16 June 2023 16:07
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Fri, 16 June 2023 16:03
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Mon, 19 June 2023 09:23
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 20 June 2023 15:07
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 20 June 2023 16:14
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Tue, 20 June 2023 16:07
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 27 June 2023 17:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 28 June 2023 08:49
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Wed, 28 June 2023 09:05
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Wed, 28 June 2023 09:23
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 28 June 2023 09:32
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Steve on Wed, 28 June 2023 13:53
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 28 June 2023 10:21
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Wed, 28 June 2023 10:44
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 28 June 2023 10:57
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 28 June 2023 10:58
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 28 June 2023 20:01
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 28 June 2023 21:41
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 29 June 2023 08:20
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:08
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:38
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