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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken [message #824158 is a reply to message #824144 ]	Wed, 07 June 2023 08:31

RDOilerfan
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Adam wrote on Tue, 06 June 2023 16:38

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:29

If you are a person who has the mindset that the Oilers management is completely incompetent as you have reference twice in this thread and countless other times, regardless of their record for the last several years, there will be no convincing you that any counter argument has any validity.

I think you're missing the point. The reason that I (and many many others) have little faith in Oilers management is BECAUSE of the over-whelming evidence that they've given us over the last several years. They've made mistake after mistake after mistake.

And Ken Holland's goalie tandems since he's been here have been:

2019-20 - Smith/Koskinen
2020-21 - Smith/Koskinen
2021-22 - Smith/Koskinen
2022-23 - Campbell/Skinner

This is the same guy who blew multiple years of a great Detroit team relying on Chris Osgood - who while he did win Cups, never won his team a Cup and probably cost them chances at a couple more. He took one of his best teams he ever had and let them rely on Manny Legace, who the Oilers reduced to a mere shell of himself in 6 games. He watched that playoffs happen and decided that the back-up the Red Wings really needed as the second half of his tandem behind a now aged Osgood was Ty freakin' Conklin. This is the same guy who tried to sign a retiring Jimmy Howard a couple seasons back when Mike Smith got hurt.

Holland, despite playing the position, has never shown a great eye for goaltending. Other than picking up Hasek in 2002, which was a no brainer, he's pretty much consistently opted for mediocre netminding, and always seems genuinely puzzled by the fact it doesn't work out.

Honestly, it's great that you can still be blindly optimistic and think, hey, this guy led the 2002 Detroit Red Wings to victory, so how can anyone doubt him and his record. It's fantastic that you can look at the Kostin trade, and think it proves that he's a master wheeler-and-dealer. It's nice that you can find the silver lining in the Jack Campbell signing and believe that if he can just bounce back then maybe we're all one day thankful that we signed him long term at big bucks.

But you can't expect everyone to just play Pollyanna, and I think it's unreasonable to be always so upset about people pointing out that this management team makes way more than their share of critical mistakes and that trusting them to do the right thing is extremely optimistic and probably undeserved support.

You are trolling me right? This isn't you giving me a legit post. You are just sending me this to goat me into another argument. You can't be freaking serious, there is just no way this is real.

You are seriously complaining about Chris Osgood not being good enough? The guy has 3 cups, 2 as a starter. You are telling me he wasn't a factor in them winning 2 cups when he was a starter.

I don't care if I take heat, this is up there with one of the stupidest arguments I have EVER seen a person use in debating me. A guy who was the starter and was in the net when his team won the cup twice wasn't very good for them. OK man, whatever you say.

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2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Mon, 05 June 2023 16:22
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Tue, 06 June 2023 09:13
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 06 June 2023 09:14
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 10:48
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: smyth260 on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:17
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 09:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 11:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:09
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:28
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:39
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 06 June 2023 14:02
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 17:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:06
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:56
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:29
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Goose on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 17:30
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:59
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 16:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:31
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:12
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:25
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Mon, 12 June 2023 15:55
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Tue, 06 June 2023 19:13
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Tue, 06 June 2023 19:32
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Tue, 06 June 2023 21:50
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: NetBOG on Tue, 06 June 2023 23:23
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Tue, 06 June 2023 23:41
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Wed, 07 June 2023 07:11
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:18
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:44
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:07
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:31
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 13:21
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 07 June 2023 13:54
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 14:35
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 07 June 2023 14:48
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 14:54
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 15:16
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 15:58
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:05
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:04
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:17
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:26
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:04
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 June 2023 08:32
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 08 June 2023 08:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 08 June 2023 13:41
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Goose on Thu, 08 June 2023 14:17
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 08 June 2023 14:21
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:56
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:23
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:34
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 10:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 10:59
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 11:37
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:44
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:54
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 10:50
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 June 2023 14:48
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Goose on Thu, 08 June 2023 16:07
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 June 2023 16:34
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Mon, 12 June 2023 15:59
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 12 June 2023 16:25
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 13 June 2023 13:57
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 13 June 2023 14:41
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:08
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:20
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 14 June 2023 12:37
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 14 June 2023 13:01
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 14 June 2023 14:31
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 14 June 2023 15:04
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 14 June 2023 15:35
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 14 June 2023 17:14
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Wed, 14 June 2023 17:35
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 15 June 2023 08:24
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Goose on Thu, 15 June 2023 13:23
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 15 June 2023 13:29
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 15 June 2023 13:48
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Thu, 15 June 2023 16:17
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Fri, 16 June 2023 14:18
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Fri, 16 June 2023 14:56
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Fri, 16 June 2023 15:30
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 16 June 2023 15:44
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Fri, 16 June 2023 15:46
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 16 June 2023 16:05
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Fri, 16 June 2023 16:07
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Fri, 16 June 2023 15:46
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Fri, 16 June 2023 16:03
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 16 June 2023 16:22
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Fri, 16 June 2023 17:15
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 19 June 2023 08:15
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Mon, 19 June 2023 09:23
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 19 June 2023 09:40
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Mon, 19 June 2023 09:51
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 19 June 2023 09:47
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Steve on Tue, 20 June 2023 10:49
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 June 2023 10:55
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Steve on Tue, 20 June 2023 14:20
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 20 June 2023 14:32
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Steve on Wed, 21 June 2023 10:23
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: mightyreasoner on Fri, 16 June 2023 16:12
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Mon, 19 June 2023 17:15
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Mon, 19 June 2023 19:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Mon, 19 June 2023 22:00
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 June 2023 08:23
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 20 June 2023 09:23
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 20 June 2023 12:55
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 June 2023 13:02
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 June 2023 15:30
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 20 June 2023 14:28
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 20 June 2023 15:07
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 20 June 2023 16:14
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 20 June 2023 16:16
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Tue, 20 June 2023 16:07
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 21 June 2023 16:51
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 21 June 2023 18:32
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Goose on Thu, 22 June 2023 09:55
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 22 June 2023 09:59
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Thu, 22 June 2023 10:07
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 22 June 2023 14:10
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 22 June 2023 14:47
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 22 June 2023 14:44
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 22 June 2023 10:10
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Thu, 22 June 2023 10:24
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 21 June 2023 19:59
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 21 June 2023 23:14
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 June 2023 13:32
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Wed, 21 June 2023 13:56
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 21 June 2023 14:02
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 21 June 2023 14:41
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 21 June 2023 14:54
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Wed, 21 June 2023 15:02
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 21 June 2023 15:16
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 21 June 2023 16:50
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Tue, 27 June 2023 21:01
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 27 June 2023 21:16
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Tue, 27 June 2023 22:36
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 27 June 2023 17:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 28 June 2023 08:49
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Wed, 28 June 2023 09:05
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Wed, 28 June 2023 09:23
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 28 June 2023 09:32
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Steve on Wed, 28 June 2023 13:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 28 June 2023 09:07
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 28 June 2023 10:21
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 28 June 2023 10:32
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Wed, 28 June 2023 10:44
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 28 June 2023 10:57
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 28 June 2023 10:58
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 28 June 2023 20:01
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 28 June 2023 21:41
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 29 June 2023 08:20
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: NetBOG on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:12
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:08
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:49
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:57
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Thu, 29 June 2023 15:01
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Thu, 29 June 2023 15:11
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 30 June 2023 12:12
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 30 June 2023 12:18
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: smyth260 on Fri, 30 June 2023 15:16
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Fri, 30 June 2023 15:20
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: welcometotheOC on Fri, 30 June 2023 16:07
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: welcometotheOC on Fri, 30 June 2023 17:02
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Sat, 01 July 2023 13:22
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Sat, 01 July 2023 17:29
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Mon, 03 July 2023 13:10
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Tue, 04 July 2023 09:17
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Mon, 10 July 2023 20:54
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