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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken [message #824133 is a reply to message #824124 ]	Tue, 06 June 2023 13:17

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Adam wrote on Tue, 06 June 2023 09:48

Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 06 June 2023 09:14

Don't trade Skinner. I think that'd be a similar strategy to trading Eberle away after his first playoff taste, except he's not a goalie. Skinner will be our guy going forward.

I'm less convinced. I could definitely see Skinner being similar to the last couple of Calder winning goalies - Andrew Raycroft and Steve Mason. Sometimes a guy just plays well for a little while until other teams figure out his riddle - and then they eat him alive. Los Angeles and Vegas both seemed to have his number, which gives me real concern.

If we had a long window, maybe you can roll the dice and wait to see if he improves, but the fact is, we have a single year to get this right. And if you go back with this tandem and they blow our playoff chances again - and to be clear, the difference in play between Skinner and Hill is the biggest reason that the Knights are in the Finals and the Oilers are out.

I don't think you can afford to risk the penultimate year of Draisaitl's deal on maybe the rookie goalie gets better and doesn't full-on melt-down in the playoffs. We crater in the first round and it means we are trading Draisaitl that summer likely.

I agree with the overall point that the Oilers do have to get it right. But what is the solution goalie(s) here and at what cost? How confident do you feel that you could get it right given the nature of the position? Hellebuyck seems to be the only one who will be available and who you hope can be reliable. Hope...

Goaltending is a largely unpredictable position getting more and more unpredictable as scoring goes up due to league changes. Maybe there are 6 or 7 guys you can depend on to be pretty reliable. Even then, it's kind of far from guaranteed. I'm sure that Florida would tell you that former 2 time Vezina winner Sergei Bobrovsky was a big disappoinment for many years until he wasn't. He looked like a sure thing, but he wasn't one. Is the cost of what it would take to get Hellebuyck worth that risk?

On the other end of the finals, Adin Hill is the 4th string goalie for Vegas. Good on the Knights for having that kind of goalie depth. But his success is probably more of a complement to Vegas' systems rather than the player. No matter who they put in net, they seem to get decent goaltending. The coach even describes their play as a goaltender friendly system.

https://theathletic.com/4301298/2023/03/12/golden-knights-jo nathan-quick-goalie-system/

The Avalanche have a goaltending carousel. They have gotten nice goaltending from Grubauer, Kuemper, and Georgiev the last 3 seasons. Grubauer and Kuemper have left for bigger dollars, and subsequently dropped off. But no matter who is behind the pipes there, the numbers are solid.

Team defense is becoming more important in an era where goaltending is volatile. I'd rather put any resources have towards that, and get a cheap 3rd goalie who is relatively unknown (like Vegas did with Hill) who could be competent if the other two are not getting it done.

[Updated on: Tue, 06 June 2023 17:04]

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2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Mon, 05 June 2023 16:22
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Tue, 06 June 2023 09:13
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 06 June 2023 09:14
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 10:48
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: smyth260 on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:17
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 09:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 11:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:09
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:28
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:39
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 06 June 2023 14:02
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 17:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:06
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:56
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:29
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Goose on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 17:30
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:59
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 16:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:31
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:12
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Mon, 12 June 2023 15:55
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Tue, 06 June 2023 19:32
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Wed, 07 June 2023 07:11
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:44
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:07
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:17
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:04
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 08 June 2023 13:41
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 14 June 2023 17:14
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 15 June 2023 13:29
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 15 June 2023 13:48
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