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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42) [message #816303 is a reply to message #816299 ]	Mon, 09 January 2023 13:36

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Adam wrote on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:18

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 09 January 2023 12:32

So you don't feel a coaches expectation on what should be deemed an acceptable level of play should be impacted slightly based on the salary a player makes?

My comment has nothing to do with being fiscally responsible, it has everything to do with level of play. When you make 3 mill vs let's say 1.25, in my opinion, you are being paid that much more than the 1.25 mill player because you are supposed to be a better player. You are supposed to have some combination or all of be more skilled, score more, skate better, be better defensively, play on special teams, etc. Player X supposedly does these things better than player Y so that's why he is paid more. When Player X doesn't live up to his expectation, he's not doing his job properly so there should be consequences for that.

So JP, Yamo, Foegele are being paid to do certain things at a certain level which includes scoring and the team thinks they should do those things a lot better and more often than say Janmark which is why they are compensating those 3 way more than Janmark.

I feel the issue with the Oilers is there is zero accountability on the team and this has been the case for many years with different coaches. Guys don't play up to the level they should be at and there is little to no consequences. This applies to even the top guys. Now you can't scratch McD, Leon, Nuge, Nurse but you sure as hell could sit them for a shift or 2 when they make dumbass mistakes. McD, Leon, Nuge are all playing up to expectations and even exceeding them scoring wise but defensively, they aren't.

No. A coach should never have any focus at all on what a player makes. None. Zero. Zilch.
It is irrelevant and it may cause you to make bad decisions based on expectations, rather than what you're actually getting from a player.

We see teams do this all the time - and the Oilers are worse than most for it - in that they can't forget where a player was drafted, or what was surrendered to get him in a trade, or how much he is making and so they feel that that means he needs to be able to do X, Y or Z. That sets you up for an error. A guy is the third best winger on the team, but you expected he might be able to be the top guy, so you act as if that result is failure, benching him in favour of other lesser wingers, reducing his confidence and trade value.

A GM needs to think about where people fall in the salary chart because he needs to manage the cap, and he needs to learn from him mistakes - if you overpaid a guy based on one good season, then why - was it injuries that derailed him? Did you overvalue short-term results? Does your scouting/analytics department look at the wrong things? Understand that and you make less mistakes in the future. But you can't ignore the actual value of a player because you signed him for too much money, and it shouldn't immediately lead to a foolish liquidation of the player at bargain prices too if you don't have someone who's at least as good ready to fill the spot.

If you're the coach, the responsibility is ONLY to dress the best lineup. Yes, you measure performance, but you do that against capabilities and historical performance, not against salary. The guys in the roster should be the best players available in those roster spots. You should never dress some plug simply because he's cheaper, and he's almost got the same number of goals as that other guy despite that guy making more money. There's zero sense to it, and you're just hurting your team and it's chances to win if you dress inferior players.

By the way, our bottom six has been a black hole for so long, I think it's incredible to hear anyone suggest that maybe the best route out is to play less talented guys more...we need them to finally contribute.

On the flip side, I think it's utterly incredible to hear someone dismiss a lack of results so easily under the "well he's talented so....". At some point in time paper talent only gets you so far and you need these so called talented guys to do something or else have some consequences. Shrugging your shoulders and just throwing a player out there letting him cruise around doing the same thing game after game there saying "Well he's more skilled..." doesn't lead to success. In the case of JP, they have played him in 41 games, many of which he's been with McD and they have got little to nothing. So what are odds if you keep doing what they are doing with him now, it will suddenly click in? Probably pretty low. So why not try a wake up call for a game or 2 and see what happens. What's the worse that can happen?

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Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: OilFans on Mon, 09 January 2023 02:00
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 09 January 2023 06:44
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: inverno76 on Mon, 09 January 2023 08:26
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 09 January 2023 08:32
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: tardigrade81 on Mon, 09 January 2023 10:00
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: tardigrade81 on Mon, 09 January 2023 10:29
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 09 January 2023 10:46
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Adam on Mon, 09 January 2023 10:51
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 09 January 2023 11:20
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Adam on Mon, 09 January 2023 11:58
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 09 January 2023 12:04
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 09 January 2023 12:32
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Adam on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:18
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:29
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:36
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Adam on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:49
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:32
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Kr55 on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:37
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Adam on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:40
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:47
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Kr55 on Mon, 09 January 2023 15:07
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 09 January 2023 15:10
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:45
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 09 January 2023 10:45
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 09 January 2023 12:03
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 09 January 2023 12:59
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:33
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:49
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:55
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 09 January 2023 13:59
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 09 January 2023 14:10
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 09 January 2023 12:32
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: inverno76 on Mon, 09 January 2023 15:12
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 09 January 2023 15:22
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Kr55 on Mon, 09 January 2023 16:31
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: tardigrade81 on Mon, 09 January 2023 15:31
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: tardigrade81 on Mon, 09 January 2023 17:11
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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 09 January 2023 19:53
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Adam on Mon, 09 January 2023 20:45
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 09 January 2023 19:51

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