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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14) [message #813666 is a reply to message #813660 ]	Tue, 08 November 2022 17:05

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:54

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:37

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:23

I am hoping the coaching staff shows JP a video clips of Hyman last game. Go to the net, park your big body in there, create chaos, good things will happen. Above all, if you are going to be on McD's line, get him the puck quickly, go to the net with your stick on the ice and look for a pass. Keep it simple. Hyman plays a very simple, straight line game that works. No reason JP who's a big man and skates well can't play similar to Hyman. Straight lines, go to the net!

For Yamo. Shoot the puck. Stop taking bad penalties and shoot the damn puck. You are on the 4th line at the moment, your job is to keep it simple. Get pucks in deep, forecheck hard, put everything on goal. It's not show time on the 4th line. IT's simple hockey, get everything you can on goal, crash the net, look for rebounds. If Yamo takes another bad penalty, I would bench him for at least a period, maybe more. Their PK is struggling, the last thing they need is more lazy penalties. He's one of the worst for taking bad penalties. The message isn't getting through to him. Time to make an example. It has to stop!

Foegele and his whole line. See above. McLeod, you are 6'2, almost 210 that skates like the wind. The fact he has only 9 shots in 13 games with that much speed is mind boggling. Take it hard to the goal, shoot the puck. Foegele. Get the damn puck out of your zone. You aren't McDavid, you are Warren Freaking Foegele. Get the puck out. Get pucks on goal, go to the net.

When you are in the top 6 and you want to try more pretty goals, fine. When you are in the bottom 6 and get 12 mins a night tops, keep it simple. Straight lines, skate hard, forecheck hard, finish a check, get pucks on goal, look for rebounds.

Once again, I disagree whole-heartedly on the role of Bottom 6 forwards. Their job is to outscore the opposition - usually the third and fourth lines of the other team. It doesn't matter how they do that, whether with finesse, or hard forechecking, or grinding out ugly goals or beating the other team with great transitions, or end-to-end rushes. Your job is just to score more goals than you allow.

I will agree that they need to be better, as does everyone, but if they do it pretty or ugly, it makes zero difference. Just get it done. For what it's worth, I think with guys like McLeod, Yamamoto, Holloway in the bottom six, there's enough talent to expect them to outperform other teams depth, and to be able to out-finesse those players on other teams too.

What it comes down to ultimately is confidence, good systems play (and a good system) and execution - with a dash of luck.

Where did I say I don't think the bottom 6 needs to score?

All I said was those guys need to simplify their games and get more pucks to the goal. Look for rebounds and tips. That's trying to score! McLeod isn't McDavid or Leon. So he's not capable of making the plays they can. The guys in the bottom 6 like a Foegele or a Ryan don't have the finishing ability as Kane or Hyman or Nuge. So expecting them to play the same as how the top 6 plays is ridiculous in my mind because you are asking them to do things they are not capable of doing. If they were able too, they would be in the top 6. Expecting McLeod to thread passes through multiple players to feed Foegele for back door tap ins, isn't going to happen. The guys in the bottom 6 aren't capable of deking through 4 guys to get into the zone like McDavid. So they have to do it in other, more simple ways. So get the puck in the zone, go to the net, get pucks on goals. THAT'S SIMPLIFYING YOUR GAME WHILE TRYING TO SCORE. NO where did I say it's the job of the bottom 6 just to get the puck out and do nothing on offense. No where.

You've played beer league hockey, right? And you've probably played against some decent players. Not NHLers maybe, but guys who are good at hockey and who can dangle pretty amazingly compared to who they're on the ice against.

Understand, everyone who's not Dennis Bonvie or Steve MacIntyre who is in the NHL has been THE guy that drives their team at some point in their career. They have been the best player on the ice. They all have the capability to dangle, and to use finesse.

They aren't McDavid, so they're not going to often embarrass all-star defencemen, but they can hold their own against other depth players. And that's generally who they're going to play. Woodcroft tends to put Draisaitl's line out against the other team's best players (which I don't love as long as Kane is one of the wingers as he's not a great passer or defender). McDavid will go up against their second best.

McLeod/Puljujarvi/Foegele has actually been dominating most third lines this year from possession metrics, but they haven't scored much at all. That might be luck, that might be some flaws in their execution. That's not because they haven't "simplified" their game enough. These old hockey cliches all really need to die. They're relatively meaningless drivel that we've just heard so many times that we feel the need to parrot it.

They definitely need more confidence, and they need to do whatever they can to get on the board and get some. They also need to pick up their socks defensively, because it's embarrassing to be outscored by the depth from some of these other teams...

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Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: OilFans on Tue, 08 November 2022 02:00
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 08 November 2022 08:51
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: Skookum Jim on Tue, 08 November 2022 11:58
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 08 November 2022 12:04
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 08 November 2022 12:23
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: Skookum Jim on Tue, 08 November 2022 13:20
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 08 November 2022 13:29
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: tardigrade81 on Tue, 08 November 2022 14:09
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 08 November 2022 14:18
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: Adam on Tue, 08 November 2022 14:25
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 08 November 2022 14:34
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: tardigrade81 on Tue, 08 November 2022 14:28
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: tardigrade81 on Tue, 08 November 2022 14:26
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 08 November 2022 14:44
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: tardigrade81 on Tue, 08 November 2022 14:47
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 08 November 2022 14:50
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: tardigrade81 on Tue, 08 November 2022 14:56
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: tardigrade81 on Tue, 08 November 2022 14:56
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:03
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: tardigrade81 on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:07
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: tardigrade81 on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:18
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: clutchlikeeberle on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:22
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:23
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:28
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:31
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: Adam on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:37
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: tardigrade81 on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:40
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:54
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: Adam on Tue, 08 November 2022 17:05
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: Adam on Tue, 08 November 2022 15:32
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 08 November 2022 16:10
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: tardigrade81 on Tue, 08 November 2022 16:17
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 08 November 2022 16:10
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: tardigrade81 on Tue, 08 November 2022 16:43
Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Tampa Bay (Game #14)	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 09 November 2022 02:27

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