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Re: No more Haaaaaas [message #787740 is a reply to message #787736 ]	Tue, 15 June 2021 10:53

Kr55
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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 15 June 2021 10:37

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 June 2021 15:05

welcometotheOC wrote on Mon, 14 June 2021 14:36

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 June 2021 09:36

Adam wrote on Mon, 14 June 2021 09:02

welcometotheOC wrote on Sat, 12 June 2021 01:11

Adam wrote on Sat, 12 June 2021 00:34

welcometotheOC wrote on Fri, 11 June 2021 23:54

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 11 June 2021 23:21

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 11 June 2021 20:55

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 11 June 2021 15:52

Mike wrote on Fri, 11 June 2021 09:53

I'm so sick of bottom 6/9 guys where you really can't do much more than hope they break even. I don't want those guys anymore.

Someone mentioned Spezza and Thornton signing for close to league minimum. Ditto for Corey Perry. I know there are only a few of those every year, but people being paid millions per year to do this job should be finding these guys. They may not be world beaters, but when they are on the ice, there is at least a chance they will do better than break even.

And I don't want to let the brass off the hook, but AT LEAST get a good 3rd line (and 2nd). With 3 good lines, then you can afford a few minutes for a breather. You can't just have one line capable/likely to outscore the opposition. So they don't even need to find 7-8 guys. Get another legit top line winger, and a 3rd line. So 4 guys.

Spezza was pretty good this year, still has wheels and great shot.. with McD and LD on line #1, he probably would've been #2 center on this team.. that's an indication where our bottom 6 was, uncompetitive in the top half of this league.

I did think it was dumb that nobody picked him up on waivers when he threatened retirement. Make him retire, you can cost TO an asset.

100% agree

Wouldn’t you be stuck with his cap hit if he retired? even if it was just for 1 year…

Nah. he was over 35 when he signed the contract so all good.

? doesn’t that mean you are stuck with it? or is Toronto stuck with it because they signed him to it? It’s late, time to sleep 😴

If people are over 35 and you retire, then the team isn't on the hook. You'll remember Pronger was a dispute because he was 34 when he signed his contract but 35 when it kicked in.

So you get him and he retires and then he comes off the cap, so no harm no foul other than screwing up things for Toronto.

Thought it was the opposite. A 35+ deal is on your cap no matter what.

That was to stop teams from giving backdiving multi-year deals to old players to reduce cap when everyone would know the player would just retire before the contract was over.

That's what I thought, too. I just wasn't sure if the signing team was responsible for the cap hit no matter what (retirement, trade, injury etc.).

Can't find anything that says the signing team would be stuck with the cap hit if the player retired after being traded/claimed by someone else.

Not sure if that case has happened any time recently, not sure if anyone can think of one? Guys like Marleau and others had no incentive to retire because of how much money they had left to be paid (just do LTIR or force the buyout) and the 35+ rule and cap structure rules have already stopped teams from making sneaky deals with years a player goes in never intending to honor.

Maybe Datsyuk is an example? 35+ deal, and Detroit traded away his cap hit for the final year to Arizona.

I don't know about you but I will always picture Datsyuk in Coyotes colors. Pronger too. What a roster that was.

Not to be a downer, but that Datsyuk deal was so bad. Chychrun is turning into a beast. Detroit was declining badly and should have been rebuilding at that point. But, so desperate to move Datsyuk they toss a that 1st rounder and miss the playoffs anyways. Spend that money on Frans Nielsen, who still has a year left on that deal, lol.

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No more Haaaaaas	By: CrudeRemarks on Thu, 10 June 2021 10:40
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Thu, 10 June 2021 10:52
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Thu, 10 June 2021 11:09
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 10 June 2021 11:21
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Thu, 10 June 2021 14:44
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Thu, 10 June 2021 11:22
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 10 June 2021 13:53
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Thu, 10 June 2021 14:45
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Mike on Fri, 11 June 2021 10:53
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: inverno76 on Fri, 11 June 2021 11:53
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Goose on Fri, 11 June 2021 12:47
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 11 June 2021 15:52
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: CrudeRemarks on Fri, 11 June 2021 20:55
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Oscargasm on Fri, 11 June 2021 23:21
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: welcometotheOC on Fri, 11 June 2021 23:54
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Sat, 12 June 2021 00:34
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: welcometotheOC on Sat, 12 June 2021 01:11
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Mon, 14 June 2021 09:02
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Mon, 14 June 2021 09:36
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: welcometotheOC on Mon, 14 June 2021 14:36
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Mon, 14 June 2021 15:01
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Mon, 14 June 2021 15:06
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Mon, 14 June 2021 15:05
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: CrudeRemarks on Tue, 15 June 2021 10:37
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: oilfan94 on Tue, 15 June 2021 10:48
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Tue, 15 June 2021 10:53
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: CrudeRemarks on Tue, 15 June 2021 10:54
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Tue, 15 June 2021 10:56
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Mike on Tue, 15 June 2021 12:35
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Sat, 12 June 2021 20:44
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Mike on Sun, 13 June 2021 07:44
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Skookum Jim on Sun, 13 June 2021 13:19
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: inverno76 on Mon, 14 June 2021 08:39
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Mon, 14 June 2021 08:59
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: CrudeRemarks on Sun, 13 June 2021 14:23
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Mon, 14 June 2021 09:01
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Mon, 14 June 2021 09:35
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 14 June 2021 09:46
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Mon, 14 June 2021 11:05
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 14 June 2021 11:36
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Mon, 14 June 2021 11:56
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 14 June 2021 13:15
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Mon, 14 June 2021 13:33
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Mon, 14 June 2021 13:39
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: inverno76 on Mon, 14 June 2021 23:26

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