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Re: No more Haaaaaas [message #787692 is a reply to message #787661 ]	Mon, 14 June 2021 13:39

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Adam wrote on Mon, 14 June 2021 09:35

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 12 June 2021 20:44

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 11 June 2021 20:55

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 11 June 2021 15:52

Mike wrote on Fri, 11 June 2021 09:53

I'm so sick of bottom 6/9 guys where you really can't do much more than hope they break even. I don't want those guys anymore.

Someone mentioned Spezza and Thornton signing for close to league minimum. Ditto for Corey Perry. I know there are only a few of those every year, but people being paid millions per year to do this job should be finding these guys. They may not be world beaters, but when they are on the ice, there is at least a chance they will do better than break even.

And I don't want to let the brass off the hook, but AT LEAST get a good 3rd line (and 2nd). With 3 good lines, then you can afford a few minutes for a breather. You can't just have one line capable/likely to outscore the opposition. So they don't even need to find 7-8 guys. Get another legit top line winger, and a 3rd line. So 4 guys.

Spezza was pretty good this year, still has wheels and great shot.. with McD and LD on line #1, he probably would've been #2 center on this team.. that's an indication where our bottom 6 was, uncompetitive in the top half of this league.

I did think it was dumb that nobody picked him up on waivers when he threatened retirement. Make him retire, you can cost TO an asset.

I think you would lose any clout the team or GM have with players if you did that. Whether Spezza was right or wrong in his statement a lot of players would side with him and not be impressed with the Oilers.
In fact, if the Oilers did that knowing full well Spezza doesnt want to come there I wouldnt be impressed with them.

I disagree with this. The Oilers responsibility is to make their own team better, so if there's an opportunity to do so, then they should. Claiming him would give us an opportunity to convince him that there are good reasons to join the team and not retire. And if he does, well, too bad for the Leafs.

To respond to someone else, there is definitely NOT a clause allowing people to retire then immediately unretire and sign again with someone else. If there was, we'd see it happening a lot more often with old players on bad teams.

The Oilers did something like this in the Sather era. Glenn Anderson decided partway in to a season that he wanted to come back for one more year. He signed with Vancouver and wanted to play there, but they had to waive him to activate him. He had a bunch of tough words about it as he went on waivers threatening not to report if he got claimed by anyone else, but Sather claimed him anyhow. Sather then got him to show up - even though he was a little grouchy about it. He played 17 games for the Oilers, mostly playing with Weight and Ciger. Sather let him leave near the trade deadline, waiving him so that he ended up with St. Louis for their playoff run as the Oilers weren't going to make it. Anderson never got to play for the Canucks, the Oilers got a player who helped them and some veteran leadership for a couple of their young guys. They prevented a divisional rival from getting a helpful player. In the end, they got David Roberts from the Blues for making Anderson available too.

No player wants to get traded or claimed on waivers. I don't think you can worry about hurting people's feelings though with that sort of thing.

You, Mike, Crude all make valid points. Enough that I have *almost* changed my mind!

I guess for me it would end up being what the purpose was of the claim. Simply claiming a guy to screw the Leafs seems like a small advantage.
If the team believed there was a chance the player wanted to play for the Oilers AND there was any chance at all he would actually report then I would be on board with calling his bluff.

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No more Haaaaaas	By: CrudeRemarks on Thu, 10 June 2021 10:40
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Thu, 10 June 2021 10:52
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Thu, 10 June 2021 11:09
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 10 June 2021 11:21
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Thu, 10 June 2021 14:44
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Thu, 10 June 2021 11:22
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 10 June 2021 13:53
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Thu, 10 June 2021 14:45
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Mike on Fri, 11 June 2021 10:53
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: inverno76 on Fri, 11 June 2021 11:53
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Goose on Fri, 11 June 2021 12:47
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 11 June 2021 15:52
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: CrudeRemarks on Fri, 11 June 2021 20:55
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Oscargasm on Fri, 11 June 2021 23:21
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: welcometotheOC on Fri, 11 June 2021 23:54
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Sat, 12 June 2021 00:34
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: welcometotheOC on Sat, 12 June 2021 01:11
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Mon, 14 June 2021 09:02
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Mon, 14 June 2021 09:36
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: welcometotheOC on Mon, 14 June 2021 14:36
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Mon, 14 June 2021 15:01
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Mon, 14 June 2021 15:06
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Mon, 14 June 2021 15:05
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: CrudeRemarks on Tue, 15 June 2021 10:37
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: oilfan94 on Tue, 15 June 2021 10:48
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Tue, 15 June 2021 10:53
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: CrudeRemarks on Tue, 15 June 2021 10:54
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Kr55 on Tue, 15 June 2021 10:56
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Mike on Tue, 15 June 2021 12:35
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Sat, 12 June 2021 20:44
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Mike on Sun, 13 June 2021 07:44
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Skookum Jim on Sun, 13 June 2021 13:19
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: inverno76 on Mon, 14 June 2021 08:39
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Mon, 14 June 2021 08:59
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: CrudeRemarks on Sun, 13 June 2021 14:23
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Mon, 14 June 2021 09:01
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Mon, 14 June 2021 09:35
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 14 June 2021 09:46
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Mon, 14 June 2021 11:05
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 14 June 2021 11:36
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: Adam on Mon, 14 June 2021 11:56
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 14 June 2021 13:15
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Mon, 14 June 2021 13:33
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: PlusOne on Mon, 14 June 2021 13:39
Re: No more Haaaaaas	By: inverno76 on Mon, 14 June 2021 23:26

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