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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #8) [message #773874 is a reply to message #773868 ]	Wed, 27 January 2021 18:01

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Adam wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 16:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 15:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:46

I am pretty surprised at Turris and Barrie.

I didn't expect Turris to be challenging for the selke but I didn't expect him to be a disaster like he's been so far. There is no reason why we can't be a decent 3rd line center. It's a matter of commitment to me.

Barrie I am quite surprised. I didn't expect him to come in and be a shut down dman, I expected him to just do his thing. Move the puck well, skate well, yes he will have the odd defensive mistake but the offense he should be able to generate both 5 on 5 and the PP should have been able to offset that. He doesn't appear to be doing anything he usually does. He's got 15 shots total. He's a shooting dman, where are the shots? Forget the PP, the Oilers PP hasn't had a dman as a focal point in I can't remember, maybe Pronger? I can't even remember seeing him do a stretch pass yet. That's his bread and butter I thought. I know the coaching staff is different and there would be different systems but I can't see the Oilers coaches telling Barrie "don't pass the puck or don't shoot when you have an open look." It's like he's paralyzed.

It is interesting - the analytics crowd was pretty concerned with the Turris signing right away and so far, everything that they've said about him has turned out to be correct.

Barrie's definitely gotten off to a slow start. I do wish we had a more reliable partner for him than Kris Russell. Accepting that he's not going to be a star defensively, it's tough when his partner is doing things like whatever the hell he was doing on that 3rd goal last night.

I didn't think Turris would be a defensive specialist nor do I think the Oilers signed him to be that. There were a lot of purely defensive guys available if defense was the only thing the Oilers wanted. I expected him to be more of offensive guy who would bring more scoring to the top 9 and not be a complete disaster defensively. So far, he's struggling way more than I think anyone expected.

I do agree that Russell is definitely not the idea partner. I do think that Barrie needs a more defensive guy with him. So Russell in that way meets that requirement to a degree but I think part of the issue is their size. Barrie is 5'11 197, Russell is 5'10, 170. So I see them getting out muscled and just the style of play that Russell has doesn't compliment Barrie well. I'd go back to Koekkoek with him, assuming Jones can settle down.

That's the thing - it ISN'T more than anyone expected. The analytics guys were saying that Turris had been caved in the last couple of years, surrendering way more than he contributed.

If it's any worse, it's probably because as Kr55 has pointed out, the usage of Turris has been as a checking center - tough zone starts, sometimes against tough opposition. That's been a disaster (although there's not a lot of options if you want to give the o-zone starts to McDavid & Draisaitl's lines).

Still, that shouldn't come as a particular surprise. In no world were the Oilers planning to give their third line an offensive push with O-zone starts. (Worth noting, the high D-zone starts will tend to impact winning percentage of faceoffs, so the one thing I have basically zero concern with Turris on right now is that he's 48% on the dot).

I also don't think that size is the issue with Russell/Barrie. Russell didn't get out-muscled last night when he was a contributor to multiple goals against. He just didn't play things well - like when he made that wounded dolphin jump leading to goal #3. Russell blocks shots, but he's not a great defensive defenceman and hasn't been one for some time. He cedes zone possession, he cheats for blocks leaving him vulnerable to people passing past him or just turnstiling him, he struggles to do anything constructive with the puck much of the time if he doesn't have an easy D-to-D pass to make. His propensity for own goals isn't a coincidence, it's a result of bad decision making.

I do agree, Koekkoek, while not perfect, is a better fit with Barrie.

I'm starting to worry we may actually have a worse bottom 6 than last year. You really have to hope that Turris can somehow cancel out his inability in his own end with some offense, and I'm really doubting he has that in him. We have really increased the ineptness defensively in the bottom 6 and may not have upgraded the offensive ability much at all. Does Neal-Sheahan-Kassian come out better in GF% than Neal-Turris-Kassian? I don't think I would bet against that.

Sheahan in 66 games last year had 17GF and 37GA. that's bad, obviously. Turris is currently pacing for 7GF and 56 GA in 56 games. Sheahan was a black hole offensively, but the guy could actually pick up his man now and then in his own zone. We're basically depending on a Gagner now to be the C playing whatever minutes come our way while McDavid and Drai need to rest.

Sucks to keep hoping guys will be something different than they have shown themselves to be to help us successful fill a gaping hole in our lineup.

And lol at Sheahan having 1 more point than Turris and being +1 right now playing for the Sabers.

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