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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #8) [message #773848 is a reply to message #773844 ]	Wed, 27 January 2021 13:04

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Goose wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:36

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 08:07

So the Oilers came out guns a blazing, the PP was rolling from the start, they get an early goal. Great start. They take a penalty. Shot comes in, Koskinen makes a good save, rebound comes out. There are ALL 4 OILERS around the rebound, Nuge is literally right beside Copp. Nuge, "Mr. 2 way forward" sort of half ass flips his stick at Copp. TIE UP HIS STICK. They teach that crap in Atom hockey. Here's the clip. Watch it.
https://www.nhl.com/video/copp-buries-rebound-for-ppg/t-3206 82204/c-7338980
If Nuge bears down even a little and ties up Copp's stick, the play is over. There is no goal.

The have a 3-1 lead. Turris and Yamo basically form a little triangle around Perreault. Perreault is 10 ft from their goal. A really good pass comes out, he one times it in top corner. Why is not one TYING UP HIS STICK? There was 2 guys within an arms length. That's basic defense.
https://www.nhl.com/video/perreaults-quick-one-timer/t-32068 2204/c-7339256

How are either of those the fault of Tippett not calling a time out with under 2 mins left or the Oilers not using a roster spot for a 3rd string goalie or the line up changes? Those 2 goals alone were caused but guys who would be in the line up regardless. Nuge, Turris and Yamo aren't coming out for P. Russell or Khaira. That's a fact.

If you want to blame the 3rd goal on Tippetts line up, have at it. The Jets got their second line out against the Oilers 4th line and good old Khaira was half assing it into the zone again. It was a great pass to Ehlers but still, I will give you that. Khaira has proven to me he was useless this season.

The 4th goal by Stastny was flat out the Jets out worked every Oiler on the ice. There was Kassian, Neal AND Nurse all around the puck and the only Jet Stastny got it. He out battled 3 guys with Turris AND Bear on the ice laying on a Jet somewhat interfering with Koskinen. Not one of those guys would have lost their job to the line up changes. So basically it was Stastny vs all 5 oilers and he got the goal. Not sure how not calling a time out or a 3rd string goalie not being on the roster stops that goal. https://www.nhl.com/video/stastny-puts-home-loose-puck/t-320 682204/c-7341054

5th goal. A bit fortunate as it went off Lowry's stake and in. McD mostly had him but again not totally. You can't let guys got to the goal like that. You have to bear down and stop him.
https://www.nhl.com/video/lowry-scores-goal/t-320682204/c-73 41092
Again, not a single gut out there was losing his spot to the roster spots. Not calling a time out doesn't stop that goal. A 3rd string goalie not being on the roster doesn't stop that goal.

I get what you are saying. I didn't agree with the roster changes but as I showed, all but 1 goal was scored with guys who wouldn't be taken out of the line up to give P. Russell a spot and almost all of the goals are flat out Jets out working Oilers, Oilers half assing defensive assignments and Oilers not bearing down and wanting it more. Not one of those goals did Koskinen have a chance on so while I agree in hindsight, they should have kept the 3rd stringer on the roster but those girls weren't score because of fatigue from Koskinen. They were scored because of lazy, garbage plays by vets giving Jets easy goals. If the Oilers don't get their ass kicked in the 3rd because they mailed in the 3rd, worry about calling a timeout with under 2 mins left isn't a factor what so ever.

I am personally getting sick and tired of the players on this team getting a free pass and the finger being pointed at everyone else but the guys on the ice. The Jets won that game because they flat out wanted it more than the Oilers in the 3rd. I don't care who's on the bench coaching or who's the GM, those guys can't force the players to want to do the small, crappy, not exciting hard stuff. I love McD, Nuge and Leon. I think Leon has taken MASSIVE steps to be a better defensive player, his goal is to win a selke, that's a damn good goal. But until McD and Nuge, 2 mainstays on this team decided that putting an emphasis on the little things is just as important as scoring highlight goals, this team will continue to sputter along.

I was pretty much right there with you right up until the last sentence. Can and should McDavid and RNH be better? For sure. But they're definitely not the reason why the Oilers are where they are today.

The Oilers overall have given up 6 more goals than they've scored (23 GF/29 GA). 5 of that difference have come at 5x5 (14 GF / 19 GA).

If we take a look at those individuals at 5x5, McDavid has been on the ice for 8 GF/5 GA. That's a GF% of 61.5%. Analytics darling Valerie Nichuskin lead the league last year (among forwards with at least 500min) at 71%, but he was a bit of an outlier. If McDavid is on the ice for one less GA, his GF% climbs to 66.7% which is basically the highest anyone not named Nichuskin was last year. So I think this is what we should really expect from McDavid for the rest of the year. He might make some mistakes defensively or look lazy on a play from time-to-time, but overall he's going to outscore any of those mistakes. It's just not realistic to project his GF% to be 80 or 90%.

At the bottom of the roster, the Oilers have guys like:

Ennis - 0 GF/4 GA
Shore - 0 GF/3 GA
Chiasson - 0 GF/3 GA
Khaira - 0 GF/3 GA
Turris - 1 GF/8 GA
Archibald - 1 GF/6 GA
Puljujarvi - 1 GF/5 GA
Kassian - 3 GF/6 GA

If the Oilers are going to turn this around, those are the numbers that need to change, not McDavid's or RNH's.

Turris is being played like a shutdown C now. 30% OZ starts. There is no way he will be able to dig out from this hole unless he is getting McDavid's starts closer to 60%. But then...who takes those D zone starts instead? McDavid I guess? hehe.

Holland did not give Tippett the C that Tippett seemed to want. Turris will never ever be a solid defensive player. He's doomed in this role. He's a mediocre offensive player that needs sheltered ice time to not be a liability.

[Updated on: Wed, 27 January 2021 13:07]

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