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Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40) [message #750238 is a reply to message #750235 ]	Tue, 24 December 2019 11:31

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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 24 December 2019 06:05

Adam wrote on Tue, 24 December 2019 00:05

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:50

I think it's fair to McDrai to try to build up something that will be very good for the back half of their contracts. That's the only way you keep them. Selling out every year to try to be playoff fodder with a 50% garbage lineup gives you as much a shot to keep them with the org beyond their current deals as missing the playoffs does.

This is their prime, and the Oilers are still wasting it. At this point in his career, Crosby was a Cup Champ. Gretzky had been to the Finals and was just about to win the Cup. Lindros was just about to make his third multi-round trip to the post-season.

McDavid is a student of the game. He has to be aware that this is almost incomparable incompetence. Only one that's close is Lemieux, who also had only one post-season trip his first 5 seasons - but at least the Penguins cleaned house - the Oilers never really have.

The players have to be aware that Edmonton is starting to grow not even impatient, but apathetic. There were seats available for the game this week against the Canadiens!!! The city is just bored to death with ongoing suckage from the team, and that's in a season where McDavid & Draisaitl are still on pace for over 120 points.

I think the players need a lift, and I think the fans need a lift. I don't think the team can afford to throw in the towel, and I really don't think it helps the team anyhow. This year's first rounder is unlikely to even be a factor in the next few seasons, so simply blowing a season just doesn't help anyone.

And playing the wheels off the best players in a sunk season is stupid. If they get exhausted, they're more likely to get hurt. If they're hurt, it could impact next year too. If we are going to go for it and play them the most minutes of any players in the game, then we need to actually go for it. Otherwise, cut their minutes, and let them play more effective time on ice, and if the other lines blow it for us, then so be it.

Okay okay. Here we go, a chance at redemption.

I agree with you here Adam! (Phew).

That’s the thing, why play McDrai absurd minutes if you’re not going for playoffs? I imagine it’s safe to think that Katz told Holland that playoffs are important to him, playoffs are important for the team, playoffs are important to the fans and most importantly playoffs are important to the City.

For the players... Winning breeds better culture. Winning breeds confidence.
For the franchise and fans, winning effects revenue. We’re seeing it this year. Rogers doesn’t fill. Even in tough economic times, if this team was a winning franchise, people would find the resources to fill the arena.

John Marino looks dang good in Pittsburgh, doesn’t he? I’d bet that if Edmonton wasn’t a perennial loser, golfing before the masters every year, Marino wouldn’t have stated he wouldn’t sign here, forcing the trade to Pittsburgh.

I get your argument KR. But! Patience is a virtue I don’t believe this fanbase will stand to be fed much (any) longer.

Holland doesn’t have the luxury of cap space to fix this quickly. But he’s one of 31 individuals in a GM role of an NHL franchise and he’s been doing it a heckuva long time. Radio shows are starting to talk about the little bit of cap room he’ll be able to utilize this summer... But wait let’s spend 7M on Darnel Nurse to play 2nd pair minutes and PK.

The players. The fans. The City. Connor McDavid... needs playoff hockey.

I think this team needs to build some depth so every year isn't a sad crapshoot battle to be playoff fodder.

Sucks that fans are finally waking up. Now we are just like 95% of other franchises where the stands aren't full if the team isn't consistently good for multiple straight years, bummer. Not sure about Marino, may have just wanted to stay in the USA. He took a while to develop, and then he was looking at being a UFA right away. These guys pop up every summer. The flames just lost a good D the same way even though they were a godly team last season. They really need to close that loophole.

IMO, the only real solution is finding a way to make this team a consistent contender. And sadly the way that happens for teams almost every time is via drafting and developing guys and having cost controlled depth rotating in the org. When the timing is right, you make a move to try to put your team over the top, but really, we are not close to that. This team is so bad in so many places still.

If we can look beyond this season, there are some good things we could do with those assets we could have tossed for a rental. I would try to sell high on Neal this summer, toss a 2nd or a prospect with him if needed. I would toss in a 3rd pick to dump Russell's 4M (1.5M salary) contract. Just like that, you made the room needed to sign Hall as UFA, go for it if he is actually interested. Use the 1sts and prospect to try to get cost controlled pieces to fill the lineup out. To me that is a better use of those assets.

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GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: OilFans on Mon, 23 December 2019 20:05
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Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 23 December 2019 21:05
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Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 23 December 2019 21:23
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Adam on Mon, 23 December 2019 21:54
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 23 December 2019 21:31
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:00
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Adam on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:01
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Adam on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:02
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:09
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Xombie on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:15
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Adam on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:17
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Kr55 on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:04
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:16
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:21
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Kr55 on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:21
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:22
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Kr55 on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:23
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:24
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Kr55 on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:26
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:28
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Kr55 on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:31
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:37
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Adam on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:46
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Kr55 on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:50
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Adam on Mon, 23 December 2019 23:05
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Kr55 on Mon, 23 December 2019 23:09
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Oscargasm on Tue, 24 December 2019 06:05
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Kr55 on Tue, 24 December 2019 11:31
Re: GDT: Edmonton @ Vancouver (Game #40)	By: Kr55 on Mon, 23 December 2019 22:30
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