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 Adam
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Jay wrote on Tue, 11 December 2018 08:22 |
You seem to be saying that Ference and other bad players were not as effective as Hall and other good players? Is anyone debating that? Even Ference isn't denying that.
I think the bigger takeaway is that these guys (Lets call them Jaylor and Tordan since no names were mentioned) were able to get the results on the ice that you mentioned while still living the party lifestyle and - I don't think its really up for debate at this point - not committing to the overall good of the team.
You don't think that with that skill level and an attitude conducive to commitment to hockey off the ice that it would have made them and the team significantly better?? Off course the on ice game product is what counts. But you can't honestly think that they are mutually exclusive.
Ive never understood this. I made the same argument at the time when these guys were here and partying their faces off and everyone was just like 'well they are 20 year old millionaires and the 80s Oilers did it so its all good'...It has nothing to do with anything. If you decide to party and drink till 5 am you will be worse at hockey than if you commit to training and living a healthy lifestyle. Is this actually a controversial stance?
I'm not sure why its unreasonable to expect these guys to behave to a higher standard than the average 20 year old given their profession and the compensation they are getting.
But ultimately I'll say now what I said at the time. The players doing it is one thing. The players being allowed to get away with it again and again and again, rinse and repeat, is another. I love articles like this where players come and say what some of us here have been saying for years and actually shine a spot light on the dysfunction in this organization. And we all know where the buck stops - but hey he knows about winning so there is that.
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It is not unreasonable to expect that guys you're paying millions to, show up and do their job. It's not unreasonable for the organization to set expectations, and to have rewards and punishments based on those expectations.
The problem is, the organization wasn't setting those expectations. They'd simply bring in a few old players who were going to be bit parts on the team and think that that would straighten everything out. The team was clearly afraid to give strong messages from the top. They specifically were telling coaches to play those young players more - so was there any stomach to punish them? They changed coaches every year, so the authority of the coach is undercut, and they clearly stated multiple times that those guys were special on the team - they were the core, and we heard both Lowe and MacTavish say specifically that they weren't the problem, and it was the supporting cast who was letting the team down.
How is a 6th defenceman like Ference, no longer good enough to be a really solid on-ice contributor, going to change habits from young players? Especially when the team is rooming the young guys all together, and giving them the green light to have a good time.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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