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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 December 2018 14:58 |
RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 10 December 2018 14:44 | So basically from what I read from Ferences comments. Most of what he was talking about was there was a bunch of star young players who played the most minutes on the team who didn't put in the work or buy in. They did whatever the hell they wanted too. They would get taught and practice where to go and what to do year after year yet year after year they wouldn't do it. They would fly the zone early cheating for offense because in junior, they got away with it. They would let their man go free to the slot and not pick him up. When the coach preached get the puck in deep so we can change, they would try to go 1 on 3 because it worked in junior. Sounds about right from what I saw all those years.
Then you read in hear and it's the bosses fault they didn't do it. Doesn't matter if you told them/showed them what to do 100 times and they chose not to do it, it's the coaches fault. Sounds kind of like the work place in general for the current crop of young people. It's always someone else's fault or responsibility, never theirs.
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This is the NHL, and teams need young fast young talent to win now more than ever before. And many of these kids that become millionaires at 20 will act like 20 year old millionaires if you let them. I think a lot of teams have learned a valuable lesson from our botched rebuild. You need quality vets around, you need leadership in the coaching and management ranks. You can't just hand the keys to the team to kids, dump on all your vets and treat them like they are just lucky to be along for the ride, and expect everything will just work out.
It is very much like a work place. Toss a bunch of kids fresh out of school give them a fat salary right off the bat and put them in a spot with no experienced people that know what they're doing, or leaders in management. What do you end up with? Even if those kids are really smart, I think you end up with a bit of a mess on your hands in many cases.
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I agree you need to have vets in place to show them the way BUT the young player has to be willing to listen too. Based on all the talk out there from players who were with him and even how when he went to New Jersey that first year, his new GM and coach had to sit Hall down and tell him he had to change, I do not get the sense that at the time Hall was willing to listen.
I think it probably came down to a combination of stubborn guys like Hall not willing to listen to anyone and wanting to do his thing but also not having the right vets in place. Everyone says you have to deal with young people these days way differently. You can't be too hard on them so if you have a bunch of old school vets telling these kids what to do, they won't listen.
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By: Kr55 on Mon, 10 December 2018 14:58 |
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By: Adam on Tue, 11 December 2018 17:14 |
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