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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #18) [message #722308 is a reply to message #722304 ]	Thu, 15 November 2018 08:55

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Adam wrote on Wed, 14 November 2018 16:57

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 14 November 2018 10:38

When it comes to the goalies, I keep hearing - heard it yesterday again - how much extra work Koskinen has been doing. Apparently he's been with Schwartz every morning working on his angles, rebounds, etc and it sounds like it's more than just a back up trying to stay sharp. I don't hear Talbot doing extra work in the mornings or after practice. Now maybe he is and it's just not being reported but given that Talbot has struggled all year and how in Edmonton, there is so much media coverage where EVERYTHING is reported, I find it hard to believe if Talbot was indeed doing extra work to the extent that Koskinen apparently has been, it would go unnoticed.

To me it sounds like Koskinen is a lot hungrier than Talbot. He came over, he's the unproven guy, he needs a new contract and he wants to stay in the NHL. So he is doing what it takes to improve so he can stay. Where as Talbot has been in the NHL for a while, he's got 132 NHL wins, he's got more of a resume and knows he will have a NHL job next year no matter what. Koskinen came over, said he had to prove himself, when he was shaky in preseason said he needed to be better and has put in the work and continues to be better. Talbot all last year and this year has said he needs to be better. Well what is he doing to be better? Actions speak louder than words. One guy is working his ass off to improve and it appears to be showing, the other guy is saying a lot of the right things but looks to still be on cruise control thinking things will just get figured out.

This is the kind of mindless media story that I hate, simply because it makes people doubt that this is pretty normal activity. The reporters are talking about something that's visible to them - we used to hear all the time about Hemsky being the first off after practice, but it was meaningless. There's lots of things done off-ice or away from the cameras.

It's great for media guys trying to tell a narrative to talk about what they see in practice, but it tells so little of the story that it's not worth taking seriously.

There's no evidence that Koskinen is taking his job more seriously than Talbot. There's no evidence that "Talbot is on cruise control." That's just a bad take.

Well since you are all knowing and the expert in here. What's your explanation as to Talbot's play? Talbot came here in the 2015 draft. At the time Schwartz was the goalie coach.

2015- First year as the starter. Brand new coach, goalie coach, system and defense so maybe you can excuse some adjustment time. The defense isn't that good. He struggles for the first 2 months. Is flat out not that good. Losses his job to Nilsson who is nothing more than a back up. Nilsson is brand new to the Oilers as well he does well but Talbot struggles. Talbot does something, I don't know what. He turns it around and plays well. Earns starters job and a new contract.

2016 - Same head coach, same system, same goalie coach, mostly the same defense. Defense is marginally better. Talbot was fantastic. Played 73 games, was 4th in line for the vesina, should have been in line for it. I am not 100% but I think he set a record for games played and wins for an Oilers goalie in a season. He was excellent from game 1. No issues with bad goals or letting first shot in.

2017 - Same head coach, same system, same goalie coach, mostly the same defense. Defense is without Sekera so it might not be quite as good but at the same time, other young dmen have more experience. Talbot was lousy in the preseason, awesome in game 1, was lousy from game 2 on. Was below .900 for almost the entire season, went on a hot streak towards the end of the year to get him above .900. He gave up a ton of bad goals, I think he set a record for giving up goals on the first shot. He sucked last year. The whole team had a bit of an off year but Talbot probably had one of the worst of the bunch. You can't win without goaltending. They let him play because they didn't have a back up. Was the defense not good enough? Yes. Was the system not good enough, most likely. But coaching and system has nothing to do with the amount of garbage goals he let in. Coaching and system has nothing to do with how poorly he handled rebounds. Coaching and system has nothing to do with setting a record for letting in first shots. Lots of those first shot goals weren't that great. Make a bloody save. So since you are all knowing Adam, what happened?

2018 - Same head coach, tweaked system, same goalie coach, mostly the same defense. The defense as a whole has been better. Contract year, so usually you see an up tick. Talbot himself in interviews said he was lousy and would be better. Apparently he trained harder and did extra work in the offseason. Came into this year. He was OK, not great in the preseason. They rode Talbot because they had no confidence in Koskinen. He was OK, not great, had a few stinker games in there. Finally put Koskinen, he's outstanding. Play Talbot, he's mediocre. Play Koskinen at home, he stood on his head. Talbot still mediocre in the next games he's in. Let's in bad goals and some first shots. Overall, Koskinen has been really good, Talbot hasn't been good. When you are below .900, you haven't been good. Each goalie plays for the same coaches, same system, same defense, same goalie coach. So since you are all knowing Adam, what has happened? Why the drastic difference in play? You can't blame the coaches or defense because they are the same. The same guys that do stupid things and give aways that cause great chances play in front of Koskinen. They give up the same bloody chances.

When it comes to the media, could they be just seeing Koskinen putting in the work and miss Talbot? I guess so. These guys basically tell us when any Oilers player wipes their nose so I have a hard time believing they would miss Talbot and extra practice. But it's possible. Do I think they would not be reporting Talbot putting in extra work? I do not think so. I read what all these guys write about Talbot on the papers and on all the fan sites. Talbot is their boy. They spend a ton of times propping up Talbot. I listen to the radio shows and these guys fall all over themselves trying to protect Talbot, trying to prop him up and tell us how the coaches need to be careful of Talbots feelings. I read and listened to how every media tore Koskinen apart. The signing was brutal (i agreed it was too much money at the time), they tore him apart about his preseason the camp, how unreliable he was, etc, etc. He was crap to them. So I have a hard time believing given the Talbot love in Edmonton that if Talbot was working his ass off that guys like Rishaugh, Nielson, Staffer, etc wouldn't be making sure that every singe one of us knew just how hard he was working. So something is up.

- He can't be tired because the Oilers schedule hasn't been that busy, we aren't even 20 games in, he's got lots of days off thanks to the schedule and Koskinen has started 5 out of 18 games. If you do that math and if they kept up that amount, Koskinen would start 23 games. That means Talbot is under 60 games. So perfect.

- You can't blame the coaches. Same guys, same system, same goalie coach.

- You can't blame the players. The same guys have been here pretty much all season except maybe rotating 1 player.

So if it isn't a case of Koskinen just being the hungrier guy, what is it? Having a save percentage of 23 pts less than the other guy is a hell of a lot. Having more than half a goal more a game is a hell of a lot.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #18)	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 14 November 2018 10:38
Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #18)	By: Adam on Wed, 14 November 2018 16:57
Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #18)	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 15 November 2018 08:55
Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #18)	By: Adam on Thu, 15 November 2018 10:49
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