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It's official

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-name-mike-bab cock-head-coach


EDMONTON, AB – The Edmonton Oilers announced on Tuesday that Mike Babcock has been named as the club’s 19th head coach in team history.

Babcock, 63, brings to Edmonton a 700-418-183 regular-season coaching record over parts of 17 NHL seasons and 1,301 games. Through another 164 games in 14 postseason appearances, he ranks 10th all-time in wins with a 90-74 record.

Born in Manitouwadge, Ontario, and raised in Saskatoon, he is the only coach in hockey history to have guided teams to a Stanley Cup win (2008), an Olympic gold medal (2010, 2014), an IIHF World Championship (2004), and a World Cup of Hockey title (2016).



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 Re: Mike Babcock - Hired as HC [message #852658 is a reply to message #852655 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 09:02

It's official

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-name-mike-bab cock-head-coach


EDMONTON, AB – The Edmonton Oilers announced on Tuesday that Mike Babcock has been named as the club’s 19th head coach in team history.

Babcock, 63, brings to Edmonton a 700-418-183 regular-season coaching record over parts of 17 NHL seasons and 1,301 games. Through another 164 games in 14 postseason appearances, he ranks 10th all-time in wins with a 90-74 record.

Born in Manitouwadge, Ontario, and raised in Saskatoon, he is the only coach in hockey history to have guided teams to a Stanley Cup win (2008), an Olympic gold medal (2010, 2014), an IIHF World Championship (2004), and a World Cup of Hockey title (2016).




2004 World Championship: 4 HHOFers (Lemieux, Niedermayer, Luongo, Bergeron)

2008 Stanley Cup champion team: 5 HHOFers (Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Hasek, Chelios)

2010 Olympic Gold Medal team: 14-17 HHOFers (Luongo, Fleury, Brodeur, Keith, Weber, Doughty, Pronger, Niedermayer, Iginla, Toews, Thornton, Perry, Bergeron, Crosby, Getzlaf (?), Staal (?) Marleau (?)).

2014 Olympic Gold Medal team: 11-13 HHOFers (Luongo, Price, Doughty, Keith, Weber, Toews, Perry, St. Louis, Tavares, Bergeron, Crosby, Getzlaf (?), Marleau (?). Benn, Pietrangelo, Subban, Carter, and Nash also on this team, but I don't consider them as likely for HHOF.

2016 World Cup of Hockey: 12-14 HHOFers (Price, Doughty, Keith, Burns, Weber, Bergeron, Crosby, Marchand, Stamkos, Tavares, Thornton, Toews, Giroux (?), Getzlaf (?)). Again Pietrangelo, Carter, and Benn on this team also.

Look, I know that good teams have good players and HHOF players. But let's not pretend this guy has had great success getting the most out of players. Every success he has had has been a gift to his resume.

He has won 1 Stanley Cup – 18 years ago.
He hasn't gotten out of the second round of the play-offs since 2009 - 17 years ago.
He hasn't won a playoff round since 2013 - 13 years ago.

Despite being a wretched and toxic person you absolutely do not want in an organization, he just doesn't have a track record of success, outside of absolutely stacked teams 10-20 years ago.

It is an insane decision.

Bowman likely got caught up in his own redemption arc that he was bent towards doing so for Babcock.



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 Re: Mike Babcock - Hired as HC [message #852659 is a reply to message #852658 ]
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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 12:08

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 09:02

It's official

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-name-mike-bab cock-head-coach


EDMONTON, AB – The Edmonton Oilers announced on Tuesday that Mike Babcock has been named as the club’s 19th head coach in team history.

Babcock, 63, brings to Edmonton a 700-418-183 regular-season coaching record over parts of 17 NHL seasons and 1,301 games. Through another 164 games in 14 postseason appearances, he ranks 10th all-time in wins with a 90-74 record.

Born in Manitouwadge, Ontario, and raised in Saskatoon, he is the only coach in hockey history to have guided teams to a Stanley Cup win (2008), an Olympic gold medal (2010, 2014), an IIHF World Championship (2004), and a World Cup of Hockey title (2016).




2004 World Championship: 4 HHOFers (Lemieux, Niedermayer, Luongo, Bergeron)

2008 Stanley Cup champion team: 5 HHOFers (Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Hasek, Chelios)

2010 Olympic Gold Medal team: 14-17 HHOFers (Luongo, Fleury, Brodeur, Keith, Weber, Doughty, Pronger, Niedermayer, Iginla, Toews, Thornton, Perry, Bergeron, Crosby, Getzlaf (?), Staal (?) Marleau (?)).

2014 Olympic Gold Medal team: 11-13 HHOFers (Luongo, Price, Doughty, Keith, Weber, Toews, Perry, St. Louis, Tavares, Bergeron, Crosby, Getzlaf (?), Marleau (?). Benn, Pietrangelo, Subban, Carter, and Nash also on this team, but I don't consider them as likely for HHOF.

2016 World Cup of Hockey: 12-14 HHOFers (Price, Doughty, Keith, Burns, Weber, Bergeron, Crosby, Marchand, Stamkos, Tavares, Thornton, Toews, Giroux (?), Getzlaf (?)). Again Pietrangelo, Carter, and Benn on this team also.

Look, I know that good teams have good players and HHOF players. But let's not pretend this guy has had great success getting the most out of players. Every success he has had has been a gift to his resume.

He has won 1 Stanley Cup – 18 years ago.
He hasn't gotten out of the second round of the play-offs since 2009 - 17 years ago.
He hasn't won a playoff round since 2013 - 13 years ago.

Despite being a wretched and toxic person you absolutely do not want in an organization, he just doesn't have a track record of success, outside of absolutely stacked teams 10-20 years ago.

It is an insane decision.

Bowman likely got caught up in his own redemption arc that he was bent towards doing so for Babcock.


Hiring him for the exact same kinds of reasons we hired Holland. Right place, right time, success backstopped by an endless list of HHoF players. And we dive in, with prayers that somehow that translates to success a decade+ later in a much more difficult situation.



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 Re: Mike Babcock - Hired as HC [message #852660 is a reply to message #852659 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 12:26

Right place, right time, success backstopped by an endless list of HHoF players.


I've been reading a lot of comments online about how anyone could have won a cup with some of the teams he coached. I feel like that could be said about some of the McDavid era Oilers teams too - some pretty incredible rosters outside of goaltending - and yet it never gets done.

If Babs pulls it off, it'll be pretty epic.

I still maintain he doesn't last more than a season. It'll be an entertaining circus ride regardless.

Any word on the terms of his deal? I wonder if he squeezed Daryl for the full 5x5



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JPro wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 13:15

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 12:26

Right place, right time, success backstopped by an endless list of HHoF players.


I've been reading a lot of comments online about how anyone could have won a cup with some of the teams he coached. I feel like that could be said about some of the McDavid era Oilers teams too - some pretty incredible rosters outside of goaltending - and yet it never gets done.

If Babs pulls it off, it'll be pretty epic.

I still maintain he doesn't last more than a season. It'll be an entertaining circus ride regardless.

Any word on the terms of his deal? I wonder if he squeezed Daryl for the full 5x5



I think there is another tier of what the wings had with Lidstrom/Yzerman/Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Chelios, and toss in guys like Kronwall, Rafalski, Holmstrom, Draper. I'd actually question why that team didn't win more than they did in the 2000's. Big choke job against us in there.

We had 3 guys basically, carrying a whole group most of the time, with some huge weak links that were trying to kill us the whole way. Sadly, the weak links caught up to us in the end, either by themselves, or because our top guys were just dead from exhaustion by the final round having to carry the group through 3 rounds.



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 Re: Mike Babcock - Hired as HC [message #852668 is a reply to message #852666 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 15:05

JPro wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 13:15

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 12:26

Right place, right time, success backstopped by an endless list of HHoF players.


I've been reading a lot of comments online about how anyone could have won a cup with some of the teams he coached. I feel like that could be said about some of the McDavid era Oilers teams too - some pretty incredible rosters outside of goaltending - and yet it never gets done.

If Babs pulls it off, it'll be pretty epic.

I still maintain he doesn't last more than a season. It'll be an entertaining circus ride regardless.

Any word on the terms of his deal? I wonder if he squeezed Daryl for the full 5x5



I think there is another tier of what the wings had with Lidstrom/Yzerman/Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Chelios, and toss in guys like Kronwall, Rafalski, Holmstrom, Draper. I'd actually question why that team didn't win more than they did in the 2000's. Big choke job against us in there.

We had 3 guys basically, carrying a whole group most of the time, with some huge weak links that were trying to kill us the whole way. Sadly, the weak links caught up to us in the end, either by themselves, or because our top guys were just dead from exhaustion by the final round having to carry the group through 3 rounds.


Apples vs oranges comparison there. Wings spent to the moon, no cap. The Rangers spent even more at times with no success at all in the 2000’s. It’s not as simple as some assume to win a cup. With some better injury luck we could have won 2.



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welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 15:17

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 15:05

JPro wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 13:15

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 12:26

Right place, right time, success backstopped by an endless list of HHoF players.


I've been reading a lot of comments online about how anyone could have won a cup with some of the teams he coached. I feel like that could be said about some of the McDavid era Oilers teams too - some pretty incredible rosters outside of goaltending - and yet it never gets done.

If Babs pulls it off, it'll be pretty epic.

I still maintain he doesn't last more than a season. It'll be an entertaining circus ride regardless.

Any word on the terms of his deal? I wonder if he squeezed Daryl for the full 5x5



I think there is another tier of what the wings had with Lidstrom/Yzerman/Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Chelios, and toss in guys like Kronwall, Rafalski, Holmstrom, Draper. I'd actually question why that team didn't win more than they did in the 2000's. Big choke job against us in there.

We had 3 guys basically, carrying a whole group most of the time, with some huge weak links that were trying to kill us the whole way. Sadly, the weak links caught up to us in the end, either by themselves, or because our top guys were just dead from exhaustion by the final round having to carry the group through 3 rounds.


Apples vs oranges comparison there. Wings spent to the moon, no cap. The Rangers spent even more at times with no success at all in the 2000’s. It’s not as simple as some assume to win a cup. With some better injury luck we could have won 2.



I agree, it is apples to oranges.

You just straight up expected cups from those red wings teams. And they stacked points every year in the regular season. I forget all the reasons they had every year they bombed out, but there were some major choke jobs among them, some under Babcock, one was against Babcock's Ducks team.

With our team, we kept having these weird seasons with huge runs of underachieving. We got some insane individual performances and a bit of luck to get to the finals. The only reason anyone expects us to win is because of a couple big names we have. Everyone knows the weaknesses that our management could never address. These were not deep amazing teams we took to the playoffs, they were teams that needed a couple guys to go supernova for us to go on a run and have a shot. We got some good luck to make the finals, including Dallas doing their own choke job against us 2 years in a row, but a little dose of bad luck, and simple reality catching up of how poorly built our team was made us fall short. The red wings had multple lines and D pairs of HHoF quality guys.


My original post was replying to the idea that Babcock should get more credit for the red wings cup he got, because it should have been similarly easy for a coach to win a cup with our McDavid era teams and the coaches we had failed. I don't agree. Our teams were far more flawed than what Babcock got to play with in detroit. This is going to be far more difficult for Babcock to pull off than his detroit days.

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Man, anyone looking for a glimmer of hope of Babcock being a changed person, that presser will put a damper on things quickly.

Quote:

Michael Menzies
@Menzies_4

Mike Babcock says he doesn't think he crossed the line in Columbus:

"It was very evident before the year started...I hadn't benched anybody, I hadn't talked to anybody, I hadn't sat anybody out, and it was evident that we weren't together as a staff right from the get-go.

"My wife gave me a call, and she said it's time to get out of there. I've been retired, I was pretty good at it. I got back to being retired."

After a followup question about whether he thinked he crossed the line:

“No, to be honest with you, anytime you make anybody feel uncomfortable in your life, you should take a look at yourself and you should say, 'How could I do that better?'

"And I think that's what you do, is as a person, is you try to always be better at what you do. The situation in Columbus, they've had a full review, and I'm thankful, NHL and NHLPA, for doing that. It didn't work out for us. We're excited about making it work here."


Then this in response to scratching Modano at game 1499:

Quote:

Mike Babcock was asked by
@JasonGregor
how he doesn't repeat interactions like he had in the past. Babs says his tone, not necessarily his intentions, has caused problems:

“Being hard on people, a lot of times being hard is confused with telling the truth. I think when a kid sits at your kitchen table as one of your children, and they ask you a question, you should tell them. That's called love.

"Sometimes the truth is hard for them, no matter what happens when you coach, when you scratch people, when you sit them out, when they're at the end of your career, and you don't play them, it's hard for them, for sure. You try to do that as respectfully as you can.

“Why? Because you think you're a good human being, that's the right thing to do. Sometimes it's not perceived that way, but I think the other thing is, and I thought Stan said it, great, anytime you're out of something, you sit back, and you have perspective, you're allowed to grow as a human being, you're out to get better, and I think that's what this league's all about, is getting better.

"The other thing I said and reiterated is, my children are at the age in their careers, they got an opinion on it, and they sure got an opinion on their dad and what he says and his tone, and how to be respectful. I actually don't think my intentions are wrong that often. I think sometimes my tone is..."

#LetsGoOilers


Just completely unacountable and unapologetic. Buckle up.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 23 June 2026 13:43

Man, anyone looking for a glimmer of hope of Babcock being a changed person, that presser will put a damper on things quickly.

Quote:

Michael Menzies
@Menzies_4

Mike Babcock says he doesn't think he crossed the line in Columbus:

"It was very evident before the year started...I hadn't benched anybody, I hadn't talked to anybody, I hadn't sat anybody out, and it was evident that we weren't together as a staff right from the get-go.

"My wife gave me a call, and she said it's time to get out of there. I've been retired, I was pretty good at it. I got back to being retired."

After a followup question about whether he thinked he crossed the line:

“No, to be honest with you, anytime you make anybody feel uncomfortable in your life, you should take a look at yourself and you should say, 'How could I do that better?'

"And I think that's what you do, is as a person, is you try to always be better at what you do. The situation in Columbus, they've had a full review, and I'm thankful, NHL and NHLPA, for doing that. It didn't work out for us. We're excited about making it work here."


Then this in response to scratching Modano at game 1499:

Quote:

Mike Babcock was asked by
@JasonGregor
how he doesn't repeat interactions like he had in the past. Babs says his tone, not necessarily his intentions, has caused problems:

“Being hard on people, a lot of times being hard is confused with telling the truth. I think when a kid sits at your kitchen table as one of your children, and they ask you a question, you should tell them. That's called love.

"Sometimes the truth is hard for them, no matter what happens when you coach, when you scratch people, when you sit them out, when they're at the end of your career, and you don't play them, it's hard for them, for sure. You try to do that as respectfully as you can.

“Why? Because you think you're a good human being, that's the right thing to do. Sometimes it's not perceived that way, but I think the other thing is, and I thought Stan said it, great, anytime you're out of something, you sit back, and you have perspective, you're allowed to grow as a human being, you're out to get better, and I think that's what this league's all about, is getting better.

"The other thing I said and reiterated is, my children are at the age in their careers, they got an opinion on it, and they sure got an opinion on their dad and what he says and his tone, and how to be respectful. I actually don't think my intentions are wrong that often. I think sometimes my tone is..."

#LetsGoOilers


Just completely unacountable and unapologetic. Buckle up.

Seems reasonable to me confused2

I mean nothing ground breaking but who cares. Did you really want him to show up and grovel for the disgusting Edmonton media and beg for forgiveness? If so why?

By the way Murphy and Dickinson both signed in the last few days. They must not have known that big scary Mike Babcock once scratched a washed up Mike Modano for a game!



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Some people will be happy with Babcock and Bowman's critique of how uninvolved the depth of our lineup was under Knob. Now it's on Babcock though to show us that this depth that Holland/Bowman creates are actually worthy of elevated ice time and a reduction of McDrai's minutes. Or do we just fall back to the same thing that every single coach has done with this team since McDrai have been here, playing those guys ~20+ minutes a night over and over again? Will definitely be watching that.


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Babcock interview with Rishaug today:
Didn't expect this quote.. good sign 👍🏻
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“When I started at RDC, U of L, we had so much fun. As coach, as players, that’s what we’re bringing here. That’s what Smitty’s about, we’re gonna have a riot.
That doesn’t mean we’re not gonna work like f___ing dogs, we’re gonna work. But we’re gonna have a ton of fun.
The games too special not to have a riot doing it. Im too old to not have fun. We’re gonna have fun.”




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