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Awful effort, again. Rinse and repeat with these guys. The Christmas break sent this team back to the beginning of the season and the nonsense play that came with it.

So many guys on this roster are playing well below what they are capable of.

Drai, Hyman, Pod, Henrique, Janmark, Frederic, Ekholm, Bouch and Nurse are all playing well below established potential. Some dramatically so, like Drai. Brutal game from 29 again today. Just not even close to good enough.

One thing to add. I'm done being PO'd at Frederic, and am only really PO'd at Bowman and the pro scouting staff for trading for him and giving him that ridiculous contract. He's legitimately trying out there, however clearly has lost a step and his hands during his recovery from last year's injury. He's just not good enough to do anything of note anymore. Doesn't hit, can't skate, can sort of make a pass, doesn't fight... and we have that contract for 7 more years. Gross.

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HamBlaster wrote on Sat, 03 January 2026 17:02

Awful effort, again. Rinse and repeat with these guys. The Christmas break sent this team back to the beginning of the season and the nonsense play that came with it.

So many guys on this roster are playing well below what they are capable of.

Drai, Hyman, Pod, Henrique, Janmark, Frederic, Ekholm, Bouch and Nurse are all playing well below established potential. Some dramatically so, like Drai. Brutal game from 29 again today. Just not even close to good enough.

One thing to add. I'm done being PO'd at Frederic, and am only really PO'd at Bowman and the pro scouting staff for trading for him and giving him that ridiculous contract. He's legitimately trying out there, however clearly has lost a step and his hands during his recovery from last year's injury. He's just not good enough to do anything of note anymore. Doesn't hit, can't skate, can sort of make a pass, doesn't fight... and we have that contract for 7 more years. Gross.


If Pickard didn't steal a game, could easily me 0-4 since the break. Determined to lose 1st in the West I guess.


I thought the kids barely got to play tonight, but Frederic played even less than those 3 youngins. Coach seems to be tired of his crap too.

Imagine if someone else gave him that 8 year deal. They would have to retain 1M and give us 2 1st round picks to take it off their hands now if we were still obsessed with having him. What a brutal unforced error.

[Updated on: Sat, 03 January 2026 17:32]

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Agreed with both of you

Me thinks Knobs job is on the line soon

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22 losses and 20 wins this season… this is not a playoff team; they have many more games played than most of the teams in the playoffs… when those games are going to be played, Oilers are not in the playoffs…. cup contenders!? come on…

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Only guy on the Oilers that is showing up right now and making stuff happen is McDavid.. shameful.

This team wilts under a decent forecheck.. and can't produce their own

Can't see many of the culprits guys turning it around.. haven't seen too many glimmers of hope

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 04 January 2026 01:37

Only guy on the Oilers that is showing up right now and making stuff happen is McDavid.. shameful.

This team wilts under a decent forecheck.. and can't produce their own

Can't see many of the culprits guys turning it around.. haven't seen too many glimmers of hope


Our 5v5 goal share with McDrai off the ice is now the lowest of the last decade. 30%.

Last night McDavid was on the ice for almost all our shots on goal.

Do we have to fire another coach? lol. I appreciate Knob getting more out of this group than any coach has in playoffs but damn, it’s crazy how little he is getting from our depth now. Or is this one of the weakest bottom 6 groups we have had? Among vets it may very well be. And he is not able to get any young guys to augment the slugs we have down there.

[Updated on: Sun, 04 January 2026 12:31]

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 04 January 2026 11:28

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 04 January 2026 01:37

Only guy on the Oilers that is showing up right now and making stuff happen is McDavid.. shameful.

This team wilts under a decent forecheck.. and can't produce their own

Can't see many of the culprits guys turning it around.. haven't seen too many glimmers of hope
.. Our 5v5 goal share with McDrai off the ice is now the lowest of the last decade. 30%.

Last night McDavid was on the ice for almost all our shots on goal.




That meets the eye test for me.. I think the last 5 games iit might be 30% without just McDavid on the ice 5v5 .. Leon's line has struggled.. even with Roz back on it.

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 Re: Review: Philadelphia @ Edmonton (Game #42) [message #849359 is a reply to message #849347 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 04 January 2026 15:38

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 04 January 2026 11:28

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 04 January 2026 01:37

Only guy on the Oilers that is showing up right now and making stuff happen is McDavid.. shameful.

This team wilts under a decent forecheck.. and can't produce their own

Can't see many of the culprits guys turning it around.. haven't seen too many glimmers of hope
.. Our 5v5 goal share with McDrai off the ice is now the lowest of the last decade. 30%.

Last night McDavid was on the ice for almost all our shots on goal.




That meets the eye test for me.. I think the last 5 games iit might be 30% without just McDavid on the ice 5v5 .. Leon's line has struggled.. even with Roz back on it.


Here is the chart I saw:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G9xt3CMasAAd5vv?format=png&name=small

Pretty crazy.

Although, a completely washed up Henrique that can barely touch the puck 5v5, and Lazar as our bottom 6 centers is crazy bad. Possibly the worst we've been down the middle in the bottom 6 in the last decade.

Drai seems to be stuck with total dud wingers again. Not sure what he has been telling Podz, but Podz seems to think he doesn't have to play a simple game anymore. Endless overhandling pucks and long skates in the offensive zone to corner himself and just toss the puck back to the D.

Back to being a 1 line team.

[Updated on: Mon, 05 January 2026 17:54]

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 Re: Review: Philadelphia @ Edmonton (Game #42) [message #849364 is a reply to message #849359 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 05 January 2026 17:51


Pretty crazy.

Although, a completely washed up Henrique that can barely touch the puck 5v5, and Lazar as our bottom 6 centers is crazy bad. Possibly the worst we've been down the middle in the bottom 6 in the last decade.

Drai seems to be stuck with total dud wingers again. Not sure what he has been telling Podz, but Podz seems to think he doesn't have to play a simple game anymore. Endless overhandling pucks and long skates in the offensive zone to corner himself and just toss the puck back to the D.

Back to being a 1 line team.


I don't like the coaching to the 3rd and 4th lines. I don't think there's any expectation of goals - just a requirement not to get scored on. They're endlessly defending as a result because they don't really try to maintain offence, no one shows any creativity. We've also had multiple times now where depth players who've scored are immediately in the press box the following game. All of Philp, Hutson and Jones have had that happen, with Hutson & Jones both not just getting sat, but actually demoted to the AHL after scoring their goals.

I am generally more happy with Knoblauch than I have been with most prior coaches (I liked regular season Woodcroft, not so much the playoff version). But he needs to learn to trust younger players to play a role here and find a way to make them successful, because those old dogs have no bite any more. Unless they can find a way to actually contribute, we need guys like Henrique, Janmark, Frederic and Lazar to play less - and we need to get some of those young guys scoring at an NHL level. We don't need a lot - but it would be nice if some of our depth pieces were at at least a 25-30 point pace.

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Adam wrote on Tue, 06 January 2026 08:56

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 05 January 2026 17:51


Pretty crazy.

Although, a completely washed up Henrique that can barely touch the puck 5v5, and Lazar as our bottom 6 centers is crazy bad. Possibly the worst we've been down the middle in the bottom 6 in the last decade.

Drai seems to be stuck with total dud wingers again. Not sure what he has been telling Podz, but Podz seems to think he doesn't have to play a simple game anymore. Endless overhandling pucks and long skates in the offensive zone to corner himself and just toss the puck back to the D.

Back to being a 1 line team.


I don't like the coaching to the 3rd and 4th lines. I don't think there's any expectation of goals - just a requirement not to get scored on. They're endlessly defending as a result because they don't really try to maintain offence, no one shows any creativity. We've also had multiple times now where depth players who've scored are immediately in the press box the following game. All of Philp, Hutson and Jones have had that happen, with Hutson & Jones both not just getting sat, but actually demoted to the AHL after scoring their goals.

I am generally more happy with Knoblauch than I have been with most prior coaches (I liked regular season Woodcroft, not so much the playoff version). But he needs to learn to trust younger players to play a role here and find a way to make them successful, because those old dogs have no bite any more. Unless they can find a way to actually contribute, we need guys like Henrique, Janmark, Frederic and Lazar to play less - and we need to get some of those young guys scoring at an NHL level. We don't need a lot - but it would be nice if some of our depth pieces were at at least a 25-30 point pace.


I wish we would have got a coach at least 1 time with some track record of getting a maximum out of depth players.

It's so sad that we were willing to pick up someone from the Chicago scandal and we get friggin Stan Bowman instead of Quenneville. We were willing to pay infinity dollars for the washed up Red Wings GM, and before that the washed up San Jose coach that was the master of the top heavy lineup and playoff failure, but we never went in for Babcock either.

So, we are left wondering forever, is it crappy GMing and we just have a bunch of turds as our depth? Is it the coach telling guys to not push for offense? Or a combination? Zero help from our garbage media as well to look into or analyze any of these things. They're too busy trying to kiss the org's butt to maintain their access.


Personally, I'd go with some of both, but I still lean more towards the GM not providing actual good players. We love our washed up forwards that have been on a multi-year downtrend that we hope will magically turn things around here, but all they do is continue their downtrend. Henrique, Mangianpane, Skinner, Arvidsson and some other meh players were our gambles the last couple years. Duds, all of them. Arvidsson still tries had, but he's still made of glass in Boston. Skinner did nothing on the zero expectations SJ team, and now he probably will get to play even less now that they are trying to make the playoffs for the first time in forever. Henrique can barely touch the puck 5v5. Mange looks behind the play all night messing up plays on any opportunity he gets. These guys are out there, they get near pucks in the offensive end still, but they can't do a thing with the puck. Are they coached to be anti-cluch with pocks and have no vision or playmaking? To lose board battles and have no idea how to properly get open. I feel like there is a limit on what you can get out of these kinds of players.

Have to admit, I haven't paid enough attention this year to fully judge how conservative or not our depth has played. I just look at the lineups and shrug my shoulders at what low expectations I would have for them. We do have some young guys, but they are very green. Not even ripe yet, like, getting first tastes of pro-hockey green for the guys that I actually would expect to make an impact eventually. That's nice to have, but I don't expect Howard or Hutson to be reliable NHL players yet. Savoie is getting his ice time, but looks out of his element a lot of the time still. We really need a actually useful 5v5 C in the bottom 6 for these kids to play with. We don't have one on this team unless Nuge maybe moves down.

Don't wanna go too hard excusing Knob, but I think once again management has been absolutelly horrible decisions that are keeping us from being able to create a good bottom 6 forward group. Way too much money being spent on useless that the coach has to juggle around because of the stupid contracts they have.

[Updated on: Tue, 06 January 2026 10:40]

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 06 January 2026 10:22

Adam wrote on Tue, 06 January 2026 08:56

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 05 January 2026 17:51


Pretty crazy.

Although, a completely washed up Henrique that can barely touch the puck 5v5, and Lazar as our bottom 6 centers is crazy bad. Possibly the worst we've been down the middle in the bottom 6 in the last decade.

Drai seems to be stuck with total dud wingers again. Not sure what he has been telling Podz, but Podz seems to think he doesn't have to play a simple game anymore. Endless overhandling pucks and long skates in the offensive zone to corner himself and just toss the puck back to the D.

Back to being a 1 line team.


I don't like the coaching to the 3rd and 4th lines. I don't think there's any expectation of goals - just a requirement not to get scored on. They're endlessly defending as a result because they don't really try to maintain offence, no one shows any creativity. We've also had multiple times now where depth players who've scored are immediately in the press box the following game. All of Philp, Hutson and Jones have had that happen, with Hutson & Jones both not just getting sat, but actually demoted to the AHL after scoring their goals.

I am generally more happy with Knoblauch than I have been with most prior coaches (I liked regular season Woodcroft, not so much the playoff version). But he needs to learn to trust younger players to play a role here and find a way to make them successful, because those old dogs have no bite any more. Unless they can find a way to actually contribute, we need guys like Henrique, Janmark, Frederic and Lazar to play less - and we need to get some of those young guys scoring at an NHL level. We don't need a lot - but it would be nice if some of our depth pieces were at at least a 25-30 point pace.


I wish we would have got a coach at least 1 time with some track record of getting a maximum out of depth players.

It's so sad that we were willing to pick up someone from the Chicago scandal and we get friggin Stan Bowman instead of Quenneville. We were willing to pay infinity dollars for the washed up Red Wings GM, and before that the washed up San Jose coach that was the master of the top heavy lineup and playoff failure, but we never went in for Babcock either.

So, we are left wondering forever, is it crappy GMing and we just have a bunch of turds as our depth? Is it the coach telling guys to not push for offense? Or a combination? Zero help from our garbage media as well to look into or analyze any of these things. They're too busy trying to kiss the org's butt to maintain their access.


Personally, I'd go with some of both, but I still lean more towards the GM not providing actual good players. We love our washed up forwards that have been on a multi-year downtrend that we hope will magically turn things around here, but all they do is continue their downtrend. Henrique, Mangianpane, Skinner, Arvidsson and some other meh players were our gambles the last couple years. Duds, all of them. Arvidsson still tries had, but he's still made of glass in Boston. Skinner did nothing on the zero expectations SJ team, and now he probably will get to play even less now that they are trying to make the playoffs for the first time in forever. Henrique can barely touch the puck 5v5. Mange looks behind the play all night messing up plays on any opportunity he gets. These guys are out there, they get near pucks in the offensive end still, but they can't do a thing with the puck. Are they coached to be anti-cluch with pocks and have no vision or playmaking? To lose board battles and have no idea how to properly get open. I feel like there is a limit on what you can get out of these kinds of players.

Have to admit, I haven't paid enough attention this year to fully judge how conservative or not our depth has played. I just look at the lineups and shrug my shoulders at what low expectations I would have for them. We do have some young guys, but they are very green. Not even ripe yet, like, getting first tastes of pro-hockey green for the guys that I actually would expect to make an impact eventually. That's nice to have, but I don't expect Howard or Hutson to be reliable NHL players yet. Savoie is getting his ice time, but looks out of his element a lot of the time still. We really need a actually useful 5v5 C in the bottom 6 for these kids to play with. We don't have one on this team unless Nuge maybe moves down.

Don't wanna go too hard excusing Knob, but I think once again management has been absolutelly horrible decisions that are keeping us from being able to create a good bottom 6 forward group. Way too much money being spent on useless that the coach has to juggle around because of the stupid contracts they have.


I think it's notable that when Nuge DOES move down, the results are the same. He becomes as unproductive as the rest of them. On a top line, he can be the defensive conscience and chip in a point per game - but I'm going to guess his WOWYs without McDavid or Draisaitl are completely dismal.

Some of that is chump wingers, but I think it's also that the coach doesn't want any risk from depth guys. He wants them to stay behind the puck at all times.

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Adam wrote on Tue, 06 January 2026 16:03

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 06 January 2026 10:22

Adam wrote on Tue, 06 January 2026 08:56

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 05 January 2026 17:51


Pretty crazy.

Although, a completely washed up Henrique that can barely touch the puck 5v5, and Lazar as our bottom 6 centers is crazy bad. Possibly the worst we've been down the middle in the bottom 6 in the last decade.

Drai seems to be stuck with total dud wingers again. Not sure what he has been telling Podz, but Podz seems to think he doesn't have to play a simple game anymore. Endless overhandling pucks and long skates in the offensive zone to corner himself and just toss the puck back to the D.

Back to being a 1 line team.


I don't like the coaching to the 3rd and 4th lines. I don't think there's any expectation of goals - just a requirement not to get scored on. They're endlessly defending as a result because they don't really try to maintain offence, no one shows any creativity. We've also had multiple times now where depth players who've scored are immediately in the press box the following game. All of Philp, Hutson and Jones have had that happen, with Hutson & Jones both not just getting sat, but actually demoted to the AHL after scoring their goals.

I am generally more happy with Knoblauch than I have been with most prior coaches (I liked regular season Woodcroft, not so much the playoff version). But he needs to learn to trust younger players to play a role here and find a way to make them successful, because those old dogs have no bite any more. Unless they can find a way to actually contribute, we need guys like Henrique, Janmark, Frederic and Lazar to play less - and we need to get some of those young guys scoring at an NHL level. We don't need a lot - but it would be nice if some of our depth pieces were at at least a 25-30 point pace.


I wish we would have got a coach at least 1 time with some track record of getting a maximum out of depth players.

It's so sad that we were willing to pick up someone from the Chicago scandal and we get friggin Stan Bowman instead of Quenneville. We were willing to pay infinity dollars for the washed up Red Wings GM, and before that the washed up San Jose coach that was the master of the top heavy lineup and playoff failure, but we never went in for Babcock either.

So, we are left wondering forever, is it crappy GMing and we just have a bunch of turds as our depth? Is it the coach telling guys to not push for offense? Or a combination? Zero help from our garbage media as well to look into or analyze any of these things. They're too busy trying to kiss the org's butt to maintain their access.


Personally, I'd go with some of both, but I still lean more towards the GM not providing actual good players. We love our washed up forwards that have been on a multi-year downtrend that we hope will magically turn things around here, but all they do is continue their downtrend. Henrique, Mangianpane, Skinner, Arvidsson and some other meh players were our gambles the last couple years. Duds, all of them. Arvidsson still tries had, but he's still made of glass in Boston. Skinner did nothing on the zero expectations SJ team, and now he probably will get to play even less now that they are trying to make the playoffs for the first time in forever. Henrique can barely touch the puck 5v5. Mange looks behind the play all night messing up plays on any opportunity he gets. These guys are out there, they get near pucks in the offensive end still, but they can't do a thing with the puck. Are they coached to be anti-cluch with pocks and have no vision or playmaking? To lose board battles and have no idea how to properly get open. I feel like there is a limit on what you can get out of these kinds of players.

Have to admit, I haven't paid enough attention this year to fully judge how conservative or not our depth has played. I just look at the lineups and shrug my shoulders at what low expectations I would have for them. We do have some young guys, but they are very green. Not even ripe yet, like, getting first tastes of pro-hockey green for the guys that I actually would expect to make an impact eventually. That's nice to have, but I don't expect Howard or Hutson to be reliable NHL players yet. Savoie is getting his ice time, but looks out of his element a lot of the time still. We really need a actually useful 5v5 C in the bottom 6 for these kids to play with. We don't have one on this team unless Nuge maybe moves down.

Don't wanna go too hard excusing Knob, but I think once again management has been absolutelly horrible decisions that are keeping us from being able to create a good bottom 6 forward group. Way too much money being spent on useless that the coach has to juggle around because of the stupid contracts they have.


I think it's notable that when Nuge DOES move down, the results are the same. He becomes as unproductive as the rest of them. On a top line, he can be the defensive conscience and chip in a point per game - but I'm going to guess his WOWYs without McDavid or Draisaitl are completely dismal.

Some of that is chump wingers, but I think it's also that the coach doesn't want any risk from depth guys. He wants them to stay behind the puck at all times.


The catch with Nuge is that he has never been play driver at C 5v5 either. He always needs his wingers to drive the play for him. I don't think any coach has managed to have Nuge center his own line for long outside of when Taylor Hall or Eberle would do 80% of the puck carrying 5v5 on his line.

I'm sure we thought Henrique had lots of life left him in, but man, the guy is just not able to keep up 5v5. He needs standing in position on the PK now to look useful on this team.


That said, I think I recall him having a nice little run this last playoff run at C. A super rare sight, I think he played some of his best individual hockey ever in the middle rounds last playoffs. So, he seems to be usual Nuge again this year.

[Updated on: Tue, 06 January 2026 16:20]

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