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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #805313 is a reply to message #805301 ]	Fri, 06 May 2022 12:39

Kr55
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inverno76 wrote on Fri, 06 May 2022 08:23

Hibernia wrote on Fri, 06 May 2022 07:57

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 05 May 2022 23:47

X Box with a hattie and an assist in a 6-1 win over Rouyn Noranda.. Game 1 of playoffs
Here's the highlights.. he's #98 in your program.. he'll be in Bako next year.
https://theqmjhl.ca/gamecentre/29466/boxscore
During his last 6 periods of ice time he now has 6G and 5A

Over the past decade we've seen lots of picks tear up their respective junior league only to hit a wall once they turn pro. The Oilers need this guy to be the real deal soooo bad.

We really need a Jason Robertson, Hintz, DeBrincat hit with a draft pick.

McLeod looks to be good, but a level lower. Cheering Prof X to be a home run.

Got some high hopes for this kid. He looks like a really smart Ave skilled player. Not just a kid killing it because of some physical attributes that lets him create space against slower or weaker Junior players. We need some smart scorers on this team like guentzel or Eberle.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #805315 is a reply to message #805301 ]	Fri, 06 May 2022 12:59

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inverno76 wrote on Fri, 06 May 2022 08:23

Hibernia wrote on Fri, 06 May 2022 07:57

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 05 May 2022 23:47

X Box with a hattie and an assist in a 6-1 win over Rouyn Noranda.. Game 1 of playoffs
Here's the highlights.. he's #98 in your program.. he'll be in Bako next year.
https://theqmjhl.ca/gamecentre/29466/boxscore
During his last 6 periods of ice time he now has 6G and 5A

Over the past decade we've seen lots of picks tear up their respective junior league only to hit a wall once they turn pro. The Oilers need this guy to be the real deal soooo bad.

We really need a Jason Robertson, Hintz, DeBrincat hit with a draft pick.

McLeod looks to be good, but a level lower. Cheering Prof X to be a home run.

Maybe if Holland didn't piss away all the 2nd and 3rd rounders, we'd get one.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #805321 is a reply to message #805315 ]	Fri, 06 May 2022 14:44

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what would it take to get an Eberle type player... hmm

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #805322 is a reply to message #805321 ]	Fri, 06 May 2022 14:45

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 06 May 2022 14:44

what would it take to get an Eberle type player... hmm

Ryan Spooner.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #805324 is a reply to message #805322 ]	Fri, 06 May 2022 14:52

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 May 2022 14:45

Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 06 May 2022 14:44

what would it take to get an Eberle type player... hmm

Ryan Spooner.

Coach refuses to give player opportunity. Gm trades player for nothing. Would have been the fate of pulju and Bouchard too if chia was here the last few seasons.

It is too bad someone in the media asked McLellan if he should try Strome with McDavid that first preseason, as if McLellan needed to be told what he should be doing.

[Updated on: Fri, 06 May 2022 14:54]

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #808707 is a reply to message #790133 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 08:18

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The #Oilers Xavier Bourgault is the first player in @LHJMQ history to score 3 OT goals in the same playoff season. That’s a clutch goal scorer.

Our next clutch RHS sniper?

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #808711 is a reply to message #808707 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 09:49

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 08:18

Paul Almeida @AzorcanGlobal

The #Oilers Xavier Bourgault is the first player in @LHJMQ history to score 3 OT goals in the same playoff season. That’s a clutch goal scorer.

Our next clutch RHS sniper?

Why even keep Holloway when he's just gonna be in Xavier's way?

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #808749 is a reply to message #808711 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 14:40

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 08:49

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 08:18

Paul Almeida @AzorcanGlobal

The #Oilers Xavier Bourgault is the first player in @LHJMQ history to score 3 OT goals in the same playoff season. That’s a clutch goal scorer.

Our next clutch RHS sniper?

Why even keep Holloway when he's just gonna be in Xavier's way?

Holloway is a Leftie!

FYI..

X-Box is on TONIGHT.. TSN.. Cataracts vs. PEI..

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #808775 is a reply to message #808749 ]	Thu, 09 June 2022 08:37

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 14:40

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 08:49

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 08:18

Paul Almeida @AzorcanGlobal

The #Oilers Xavier Bourgault is the first player in @LHJMQ history to score 3 OT goals in the same playoff season. That’s a clutch goal scorer.

Our next clutch RHS sniper?

Why even keep Holloway when he's just gonna be in Xavier's way?

Holloway is a Leftie!

FYI..

X-Box is on TONIGHT.. TSN.. Cataracts vs. PEI..

2G and 1A in another win. Looks like he will be Memorial Cup bound. Team has a 3-0 series lead in the final.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #808777 is a reply to message #808775 ]	Thu, 09 June 2022 08:43

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Yes it's junior but this guy looks like he could be good.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #808780 is a reply to message #808777 ]	Thu, 09 June 2022 11:23

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 09 June 2022 07:43

Yes it's junior but this guy looks like he could be good.

I watched the game, XB had the best skill on the ice, great skater, great shot, but you can tell he needs to get a lot stronger to even play in the AHL, I think he'll be a couple of years away. Reminded me of Barzal the way he moves out there. He's an elite prospect.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #808851 is a reply to message #790133 ]	Sat, 11 June 2022 17:55

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Bourgault makes it to the Memorial Cup.. Shawinigan wins the QJMHL title for the first time in their 52 year history. Win 4-3 in OT vs. PEI.. win series 4-1

Hopefully OilKings win tonight.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #808852 is a reply to message #808851 ]	Sat, 11 June 2022 18:38

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 11 June 2022 17:55

Bourgault makes it to the Memorial Cup.. Shawinigan wins the QJMHL title for the first time in their 52 year history. Win 4-3 in OT vs. PEI.. win series 4-1

Hopefully OilKings win tonight.

I have to say, this kid has been gaining fans in this market.

I’d still hop in a Delorean and take the goalie 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #808861 is a reply to message #808851 ]	Sat, 11 June 2022 22:20

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 11 June 2022 17:55

Bourgault makes it to the Memorial Cup.. Shawinigan wins the QJMHL title for the first time in their 52 year history. Win 4-3 in OT vs. PEI.. win series 4-1

Hopefully OilKings win tonight.

Oil Kings looked like crap tonight. Guenther out still too.

Seattle has been notorious for coming from behind in rounds they look beaten this post season. The EOK have their hands full now.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #827127 is a reply to message #790133 ]	Tue, 14 November 2023 10:56

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Jesper Wallstedt rocking a 0.932 save percentage and a record of 6-2-0 in the AHL. We're close to NHL Wallstedt!

We don't need no stinkin goalies!

Holland's drafting may go down as being worse than his pro acquisitions. That's really saying something.

Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault, Schaefer are his 1st round picks

He may have fluked a goalie in Konovalov but we let him go and didn't seem to have much interest in getting him to stay. Maybe we figured we were set with Campbell and Skinner.

0 impact players so far in the roster from "Mr. Multiple HHoF Players Picked in the 7th Round" draft legend Ken Holland. Robot picking just using the MacKenzie draft list would have done better, but that's been the case with the Oilers for over a decade.

[Updated on: Tue, 14 November 2023 10:59]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #827129 is a reply to message #827127 ]	Tue, 14 November 2023 11:38

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You mean you aren’t keeping track?

Drafting was Tyler Wright’s fault - fired.

Oilers poor record was Jay Woodcroft’s fault - fired.

And the latest from Spector: Jack Campbell was Brad Holland’s fault. Because this is a family matter, it can be dealt with in the home.

I don’t see Ken Holland’s responsibility anywhere.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #827131 is a reply to message #827129 ]	Tue, 14 November 2023 11:49

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I can't wait for the press conference in March, "we had to adjust to a new coach. I just don't think this is the year to go all in. You can't go all in every year."

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #827134 is a reply to message #827131 ]	Tue, 14 November 2023 12:23

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 11:49

I can't wait for the press conference in March, "we had to adjust to a new coach. I just don't think this is the year to go all in. You can't go all in every year."

Well, he's right, you can't blow your brains out at the deadline every year. there is only so much draft capital to piss away. Very few deadline deals are worth doing. Proper drafting is always the better way to improve. The Bourgault pick was particularly egregious, because the proper guy had fallen to them and everybody was screaming at them to take him, and they punted.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #827135 is a reply to message #827134 ]	Tue, 14 November 2023 12:35

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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 11:23

Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 11:49

I can't wait for the press conference in March, "we had to adjust to a new coach. I just don't think this is the year to go all in. You can't go all in every year."

Well, he's right, you can't blow your brains out at the deadline every year. there is only so much draft capital to piss away. Very few deadline deals are worth doing. Proper drafting is always the better way to improve. The Bourgault pick was particularly egregious, because the proper guy had fallen to them and everybody was screaming at them to take him, and they punted.

You most definitely should expend draft capital in Connor McDavid’s twenties. We haven’t done it nearly enough. The one year we finally did trade it away for Ekholm, we went on a run and had our best finish to 6th in the NHL. I can only imagine how much closer to a cup we would have been had Holland and Chiarelli actually used some of their 1st round picks to move the needle.

Everything in Edmonton is happening too late.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #827136 is a reply to message #827127 ]	Tue, 14 November 2023 14:14

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 10:56

Byron Bader @ByronMBader
Jesper Wallstedt rocking a 0.932 save percentage and a record of 6-2-0 in the AHL. We're close to NHL Wallstedt!

We don't need no stinkin goalies!

Holland's drafting may go down as being worse than his pro acquisitions. That's really saying something.

Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault, Schaefer are his 1st round picks

He may have fluked a goalie in Konovalov but we let him go and didn't seem to have much interest in getting him to stay. Maybe we figured we were set with Campbell and Skinner.

0 impact players so far in the roster from "Mr. Multiple HHoF Players Picked in the 7th Round" draft legend Ken Holland. Robot picking just using the MacKenzie draft list would have done better, but that's been the case with the Oilers for over a decade.

I don't quite understand our goalie usage in the AHL either. We actually have a guy with similar save percentage this year to Wallstedt - better in fact. Rodrigue rocking a .968 allowing just 2 goals on 63 shots so far...but he's only played in two games. Pickard got 4 starts, and now Campbell has had back-to-back AHL starts. Last year Pickard played 38 to Rodrigue's 29 which is at least closer to an even split. This is now Rodrigue's fourth year in the AHL though and he's only had 55 appearances in all that time. He's played equal or better to Pickard the last two years. If you think he might be the goalie of the future, at some point you have to develop him and that only happens by playing him. Consider - Wallstedt is three years younger than Rodrigue, and he already has 44 AHL starts - despite a bit less impressive rookie season last year than he may have hoped (18-15-5 w/ .908 sv%).

One of the things that's inhibited Oilers goalie development forever is that they fail to find enough games for their young goalies to play and they don't ripen that well sitting idle at the end of the bench.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #827137 is a reply to message #827136 ]	Tue, 14 November 2023 14:53

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Can we please move Campbell to the ECHL.... please?

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #827139 is a reply to message #827137 ]	Tue, 14 November 2023 14:55

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 14:53

Can we please move Campbell to the ECHL.... please?

I don't know why they don't send him to Mexico for two weeks. Get your head right, come back, and try to prove everyone wrong.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #827138 is a reply to message #827136 ]	Tue, 14 November 2023 14:54

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Adam wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 14:14

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 10:56

Byron Bader @ByronMBader
Jesper Wallstedt rocking a 0.932 save percentage and a record of 6-2-0 in the AHL. We're close to NHL Wallstedt!

We don't need no stinkin goalies!

Holland's drafting may go down as being worse than his pro acquisitions. That's really saying something.

Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault, Schaefer are his 1st round picks

He may have fluked a goalie in Konovalov but we let him go and didn't seem to have much interest in getting him to stay. Maybe we figured we were set with Campbell and Skinner.

0 impact players so far in the roster from "Mr. Multiple HHoF Players Picked in the 7th Round" draft legend Ken Holland. Robot picking just using the MacKenzie draft list would have done better, but that's been the case with the Oilers for over a decade.

I don't quite understand our goalie usage in the AHL either. We actually have a guy with similar save percentage this year to Wallstedt - better in fact. Rodrigue rocking a .968 allowing just 2 goals on 63 shots so far...but he's only played in two games. Pickard got 4 starts, and now Campbell has had back-to-back AHL starts. Last year Pickard played 38 to Rodrigue's 29 which is at least closer to an even split. This is now Rodrigue's fourth year in the AHL though and he's only had 55 appearances in all that time. He's played equal or better to Pickard the last two years. If you think he might be the goalie of the future, at some point you have to develop him and that only happens by playing him. Consider - Wallstedt is three years younger than Rodrigue, and he already has 44 AHL starts - despite a bit less impressive rookie season last year than he may have hoped (18-15-5 w/ .908 sv%).

One of the things that's inhibited Oilers goalie development forever is that they fail to find enough games for their young goalies to play and they don't ripen that well sitting idle at the end of the bench.

Ah, it is comforting to hear that Campbell is gonna hog starts and make our AHL goalies go cold now.

We got this goalie stuff really figured out in this org.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #827148 is a reply to message #827138 ]	Tue, 14 November 2023 19:23

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 14:54

Adam wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 14:14

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 10:56

Byron Bader @ByronMBader
Jesper Wallstedt rocking a 0.932 save percentage and a record of 6-2-0 in the AHL. We're close to NHL Wallstedt!

We don't need no stinkin goalies!

Holland's drafting may go down as being worse than his pro acquisitions. That's really saying something.

Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault, Schaefer are his 1st round picks

He may have fluked a goalie in Konovalov but we let him go and didn't seem to have much interest in getting him to stay. Maybe we figured we were set with Campbell and Skinner.

0 impact players so far in the roster from "Mr. Multiple HHoF Players Picked in the 7th Round" draft legend Ken Holland. Robot picking just using the MacKenzie draft list would have done better, but that's been the case with the Oilers for over a decade.

I don't quite understand our goalie usage in the AHL either. We actually have a guy with similar save percentage this year to Wallstedt - better in fact. Rodrigue rocking a .968 allowing just 2 goals on 63 shots so far...but he's only played in two games. Pickard got 4 starts, and now Campbell has had back-to-back AHL starts. Last year Pickard played 38 to Rodrigue's 29 which is at least closer to an even split. This is now Rodrigue's fourth year in the AHL though and he's only had 55 appearances in all that time. He's played equal or better to Pickard the last two years. If you think he might be the goalie of the future, at some point you have to develop him and that only happens by playing him. Consider - Wallstedt is three years younger than Rodrigue, and he already has 44 AHL starts - despite a bit less impressive rookie season last year than he may have hoped (18-15-5 w/ .908 sv%).

One of the things that's inhibited Oilers goalie development forever is that they fail to find enough games for their young goalies to play and they don't ripen that well sitting idle at the end of the bench.

Ah, it is comforting to hear that Campbell is gonna hog starts and make our AHL goalies go cold now.

We got this goalie stuff really figured out in this org.

Any guesses who started the Condors game tonight?

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #827149 is a reply to message #827148 ]	Tue, 14 November 2023 20:37

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Adam wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 19:23

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 14:54

Adam wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 14:14

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 10:56

Byron Bader @ByronMBader
Jesper Wallstedt rocking a 0.932 save percentage and a record of 6-2-0 in the AHL. We're close to NHL Wallstedt!

We don't need no stinkin goalies!

Holland's drafting may go down as being worse than his pro acquisitions. That's really saying something.

Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault, Schaefer are his 1st round picks

He may have fluked a goalie in Konovalov but we let him go and didn't seem to have much interest in getting him to stay. Maybe we figured we were set with Campbell and Skinner.

0 impact players so far in the roster from "Mr. Multiple HHoF Players Picked in the 7th Round" draft legend Ken Holland. Robot picking just using the MacKenzie draft list would have done better, but that's been the case with the Oilers for over a decade.

I don't quite understand our goalie usage in the AHL either. We actually have a guy with similar save percentage this year to Wallstedt - better in fact. Rodrigue rocking a .968 allowing just 2 goals on 63 shots so far...but he's only played in two games. Pickard got 4 starts, and now Campbell has had back-to-back AHL starts. Last year Pickard played 38 to Rodrigue's 29 which is at least closer to an even split. This is now Rodrigue's fourth year in the AHL though and he's only had 55 appearances in all that time. He's played equal or better to Pickard the last two years. If you think he might be the goalie of the future, at some point you have to develop him and that only happens by playing him. Consider - Wallstedt is three years younger than Rodrigue, and he already has 44 AHL starts - despite a bit less impressive rookie season last year than he may have hoped (18-15-5 w/ .908 sv%).

One of the things that's inhibited Oilers goalie development forever is that they fail to find enough games for their young goalies to play and they don't ripen that well sitting idle at the end of the bench.

Ah, it is comforting to hear that Campbell is gonna hog starts and make our AHL goalies go cold now.

We got this goalie stuff really figured out in this org.

Any guesses who started the Condors game tonight?

Dear lord. 4 goals against again. 3 games in a row

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #827150 is a reply to message #827149 ]	Tue, 14 November 2023 20:59

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 20:37

Adam wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 19:23

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 14:54

Adam wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 14:14

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 10:56

Byron Bader @ByronMBader
Jesper Wallstedt rocking a 0.932 save percentage and a record of 6-2-0 in the AHL. We're close to NHL Wallstedt!

We don't need no stinkin goalies!

Holland's drafting may go down as being worse than his pro acquisitions. That's really saying something.

Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault, Schaefer are his 1st round picks

He may have fluked a goalie in Konovalov but we let him go and didn't seem to have much interest in getting him to stay. Maybe we figured we were set with Campbell and Skinner.

0 impact players so far in the roster from "Mr. Multiple HHoF Players Picked in the 7th Round" draft legend Ken Holland. Robot picking just using the MacKenzie draft list would have done better, but that's been the case with the Oilers for over a decade.

I don't quite understand our goalie usage in the AHL either. We actually have a guy with similar save percentage this year to Wallstedt - better in fact. Rodrigue rocking a .968 allowing just 2 goals on 63 shots so far...but he's only played in two games. Pickard got 4 starts, and now Campbell has had back-to-back AHL starts. Last year Pickard played 38 to Rodrigue's 29 which is at least closer to an even split. This is now Rodrigue's fourth year in the AHL though and he's only had 55 appearances in all that time. He's played equal or better to Pickard the last two years. If you think he might be the goalie of the future, at some point you have to develop him and that only happens by playing him. Consider - Wallstedt is three years younger than Rodrigue, and he already has 44 AHL starts - despite a bit less impressive rookie season last year than he may have hoped (18-15-5 w/ .908 sv%).

One of the things that's inhibited Oilers goalie development forever is that they fail to find enough games for their young goalies to play and they don't ripen that well sitting idle at the end of the bench.

Ah, it is comforting to hear that Campbell is gonna hog starts and make our AHL goalies go cold now.

We got this goalie stuff really figured out in this org.

Any guesses who started the Condors game tonight?

Dear lord. 4 goals against again. 3 games in a row

Game isn’t even over yet.

5 goals on 26 shots now. It’s time to LTIR him.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #827151 is a reply to message #827150 ]	Tue, 14 November 2023 21:24

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Adam wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 20:59

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 20:37

Adam wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 19:23

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 14:54

Adam wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 14:14

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 November 2023 10:56

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Jesper Wallstedt rocking a 0.932 save percentage and a record of 6-2-0 in the AHL. We're close to NHL Wallstedt!

We don't need no stinkin goalies!

Holland's drafting may go down as being worse than his pro acquisitions. That's really saying something.

Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault, Schaefer are his 1st round picks

He may have fluked a goalie in Konovalov but we let him go and didn't seem to have much interest in getting him to stay. Maybe we figured we were set with Campbell and Skinner.

0 impact players so far in the roster from "Mr. Multiple HHoF Players Picked in the 7th Round" draft legend Ken Holland. Robot picking just using the MacKenzie draft list would have done better, but that's been the case with the Oilers for over a decade.

I don't quite understand our goalie usage in the AHL either. We actually have a guy with similar save percentage this year to Wallstedt - better in fact. Rodrigue rocking a .968 allowing just 2 goals on 63 shots so far...but he's only played in two games. Pickard got 4 starts, and now Campbell has had back-to-back AHL starts. Last year Pickard played 38 to Rodrigue's 29 which is at least closer to an even split. This is now Rodrigue's fourth year in the AHL though and he's only had 55 appearances in all that time. He's played equal or better to Pickard the last two years. If you think he might be the goalie of the future, at some point you have to develop him and that only happens by playing him. Consider - Wallstedt is three years younger than Rodrigue, and he already has 44 AHL starts - despite a bit less impressive rookie season last year than he may have hoped (18-15-5 w/ .908 sv%).

One of the things that's inhibited Oilers goalie development forever is that they fail to find enough games for their young goalies to play and they don't ripen that well sitting idle at the end of the bench.

Ah, it is comforting to hear that Campbell is gonna hog starts and make our AHL goalies go cold now.

We got this goalie stuff really figured out in this org.

Any guesses who started the Condors game tonight?

Dear lord. 4 goals against again. 3 games in a row

Game isn’t even over yet.

5 goals on 26 shots now. It’s time to LTIR him.

He ruined it. Let in a 5th one tonight

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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #848791 is a reply to message #790133 ]	Wed, 03 December 2025 02:28

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If you want to feel even worse, check out who is the pick after Bourgault.

Oilers struck out not only on trading the pick instead of taking Wallstedt, but then having the chance to redeem that, they picked the wrong guy.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #848794 is a reply to message #848791 ]	Wed, 03 December 2025 08:49

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 03 December 2025 02:28

If you want to feel even worse, check out who is the pick after Bourgault.

Oilers struck out not only on trading the pick instead of taking Wallstedt, but then having the chance to redeem that, they picked the wrong guy.

A player that Paul Coffey was mentoring for years and likely pushed the org hard to take if he was available. Wright and Holland did a masterful job of dodging success in that draft.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #848795 is a reply to message #848794 ]	Wed, 03 December 2025 10:46

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I'll never understand why Holland gets such a pass from the media in Edmonton. They are happy to pile on Chiarelli every chance they get - and yes he was bad - but Holland was just as bad if not worse considering what he was given to work with. Just mind bogglingly awful in so many ways. I'm assuming he made sure the media lounge was always stocked with free pizza and donuts though which is what's really important to the scribes.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #848796 is a reply to message #848795 ]	Wed, 03 December 2025 11:19

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Jay wrote on Wed, 03 December 2025 13:46

I'll never understand why Holland gets such a pass from the media in Edmonton. They are happy to pile on Chiarelli every chance they get - and yes he was bad - but Holland was just as bad if not worse considering what he was given to work with. Just mind bogglingly awful in so many ways. I'm assuming he made sure the media lounge was always stocked with free pizza and donuts though which is what's really important to the scribes.

This smartest guy in the room thing has been going on forever.

The Reinhart trade is one of the dumbest moves ever. In one of the deepest drafts ever, they throw away a pick that could have been Barzal, Kyle Connor, Chabot, Eriksson Ek, Boeser, Konecny, or even Roslovic PLUS an early 2nd (33) that could have been Sebastian Aho for a stiff that could even crack a lackluster Isles lineup. I admit talking about Aho with the 2nd pick is 100% hindsight (Mackenzie Blackwood also went a few picks later), but that #16 pick - that alone was a disaster.

Trading Hall straight up for Adam Larsson. I remember seeing the headline "Hall for Larsson" and looking forward to seeing what else was in the package we got for Hall...

Eberle for Cap Space was awesome as well.

Not securing Broberg and Holloway. Or even matching Holloway

And passing on Wallstedt when he fell into their laps.

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Re: Oilers Select 1st rd (#22) - Xavier Bourgault [message #848799 is a reply to message #848796 ]	Wed, 03 December 2025 14:33

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Mike wrote on Wed, 03 December 2025 11:19

Jay wrote on Wed, 03 December 2025 13:46

I'll never understand why Holland gets such a pass from the media in Edmonton. They are happy to pile on Chiarelli every chance they get - and yes he was bad - but Holland was just as bad if not worse considering what he was given to work with. Just mind bogglingly awful in so many ways. I'm assuming he made sure the media lounge was always stocked with free pizza and donuts though which is what's really important to the scribes.

This smartest guy in the room thing has been going on forever.

The Reinhart trade is one of the dumbest moves ever. In one of the deepest drafts ever, they throw away a pick that could have been Barzal, Kyle Connor, Chabot, Eriksson Ek, Boeser, Konecny, or even Roslovic PLUS an early 2nd (33) that could have been Sebastian Aho for a stiff that could even crack a lackluster Isles lineup. I admit talking about Aho with the 2nd pick is 100% hindsight (Mackenzie Blackwood also went a few picks later), but that #16 pick - that alone was a disaster.

Trading Hall straight up for Adam Larsson. I remember seeing the headline "Hall for Larsson" and looking forward to seeing what else was in the package we got for Hall...

Eberle for Cap Space was awesome as well.

Not securing Broberg and Holloway. Or even matching Holloway

And passing on Wallstedt when he fell into their laps.

The Holland era drafting is very poor. So far, there's been only two NHL players - Broberg and Holloway - out of those five years. About the only ones left that even stand a chance of increasing that number are Reid Schaefer (he's played 3 games for Nashville this year) and Samuel Jonsson (oh please oh please let him develop in to a real NHL goalie...)

On top of that, we ignored Cole Caufield and Trevor Zegras in order to take Broberg ahead of where he was ranked (I wanted Caufield badly - as I thought a release like that would have been a real asset on this team). Holloway also was a stretch - he was ranked further down too - although in the end there's not a lot that are way above him. Dawson Mercer I guess (who went 4 picks later).

It's not really fair on management to just go back and re-draft the best player but if you look at these threads year after year, there wasn't a lot of confidence we were making the right decision even immediately after the trade - in part because year after year it was a surprise pick.

I do think it's funny that Holland (and some posters in here) talked about how important it was to keep some of that draft capital because we "weren't in our window to win yet" and now when you look back at it you have to ask - what actual NHL player on an expiring contract could the Oilers have had if they were just willing to give up the pick that became Raphael Lavoie or Carter Savoie or Xavier Bourgault. I feel relatively confident that even if they'd immediately left as UFAs, those adds would have benefitted the franchise more than the players we picked have - even for Holloway and Broberg.

As a side note - I'm still really annoyed that we have blocked Jonsson's progress to AHL games by stacking our minors full of 30+ year old netminders...

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