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 New LTIR Rules in Effect for 2025/26 Playoffs [message #847438]
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For this year's playoffs.. Teams will be required to submit a cap compliant, 20-man roster to NHL Central Registry before each playoff game.

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Frank Seravalli@frank_seravalli

Sources: The #NHL and #NHLPA have agreed to a rolling implementation schedule for CBA changes.

Among them: the new playoff salary cap system will come into effect *this season* for the 2026 Stanley Cup playoffs.





CBA Rule Changes here;

https://puckpedia.com/news/upcoming-LTIR-changes

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 Re: New LTIR Rules in Effect for 2025/26 Playoffs [message #847439 is a reply to message #847438 ]
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Below shows the new playoff accounting rules applied to last playoff game in 2025, Game 6 of the 2025 Stanley Cup Final. The Salary Cap in 2024-25 was $88M, meaning that the Edmonton Oilers would have been $7,353,277 below the Playoff Cap in Game 6 had it been in effect, while the Florida Panthers would have been $5,038,282 above the Playoff Cap




Barf. Shoulda used it even harder.

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 Re: New LTIR Rules in Effect for 2025/26 Playoffs [message #847440 is a reply to message #847439 ]
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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 02 September 2025 12:41

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Below shows the new playoff accounting rules applied to last playoff game in 2025, Game 6 of the 2025 Stanley Cup Final. The Salary Cap in 2024-25 was $88M, meaning that the Edmonton Oilers would have been $7,353,277 below the Playoff Cap in Game 6 had it been in effect, while the Florida Panthers would have been $5,038,282 above the Playoff Cap




Barf. Shoulda used it even harder.


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 Re: New LTIR Rules in Effect for 2025/26 Playoffs [message #847444 is a reply to message #847439 ]
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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 02 September 2025 11:41

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Below shows the new playoff accounting rules applied to last playoff game in 2025, Game 6 of the 2025 Stanley Cup Final. The Salary Cap in 2024-25 was $88M, meaning that the Edmonton Oilers would have been $7,353,277 below the Playoff Cap in Game 6 had it been in effect, while the Florida Panthers would have been $5,038,282 above the Playoff Cap




Barf. Shoulda used it even harder.



Pretty telling that the only team "investigated" by the NHL for cap circumvention last year was Edmonton with Kane.. courtesy of C. Campbell and Bettman.. while Florida was the one icing a team a mile over the cap.

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 Re: New LTIR Rules in Effect for 2025/26 Playoffs [message #847445 is a reply to message #847444 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 September 2025 13:02

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 02 September 2025 11:41

From the puckpedia article:

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Below shows the new playoff accounting rules applied to last playoff game in 2025, Game 6 of the 2025 Stanley Cup Final. The Salary Cap in 2024-25 was $88M, meaning that the Edmonton Oilers would have been $7,353,277 below the Playoff Cap in Game 6 had it been in effect, while the Florida Panthers would have been $5,038,282 above the Playoff Cap




Barf. Shoulda used it even harder.



Pretty telling that the only team "investigated" by the NHL for cap circumvention last year was Edmonton with Kane.. courtesy of C. Campbell and Bettman.. while Florida was the one icing a team a mile over the cap.


Just glad they dropped it. I think we did create an opening because the messaging from the Oilers camp and Kane's seemed totally out of sync for some time. The messaging was out of sync so badly that we actually paid extra to a team to retain cap space at the deadline. Cap space retention we did not end up needing.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a team trying the LTIR scam that had the team and player out of sync with the media on when the player was expected to come back into the lineup. Classic clumsy stuff you expect from our org.

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 Re: New LTIR Rules in Effect for 2025/26 Playoffs [message #847447 is a reply to message #847445 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 02 September 2025 12:13

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 September 2025 13:02

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 02 September 2025 11:41

From the puckpedia article:

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Below shows the new playoff accounting rules applied to last playoff game in 2025, Game 6 of the 2025 Stanley Cup Final. The Salary Cap in 2024-25 was $88M, meaning that the Edmonton Oilers would have been $7,353,277 below the Playoff Cap in Game 6 had it been in effect, while the Florida Panthers would have been $5,038,282 above the Playoff Cap




Barf. Shoulda used it even harder.



Pretty telling that the only team "investigated" by the NHL for cap circumvention last year was Edmonton with Kane.. courtesy of C. Campbell and Bettman.. while Florida was the one icing a team a mile over the cap.


Just glad they dropped it. I think we did create an opening because the messaging from the Oilers camp and Kane's seemed totally out of sync for some time. The messaging was out of sync so badly that we actually paid extra to a team to retain cap space at the deadline. Cap space retention we did not end up needing.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a team trying the LTIR scam that had the team and player out of sync with the media on when the player was expected to come back into the lineup. Classic clumsy stuff you expect from our org.


It was a clumsy handling by Kane/Oilers.. but the whole LTIR thing was a long running scam since Kucherov.. which the NHL happily ignored.. with a big wink-wink.. until the Oilers finally utilize it.. legitimately (Kane had two surgeries to recover from).. and then NHL decides to do their first investigation.. which was meaningless anyway.. the NHL couldn't ever force a player back on the ice before the player thinks he's sufficiently healed.. and the NHL could never medically prove he was healed.. it was NHL Corp. pageantry

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 Re: New LTIR Rules in Effect for 2025/26 Playoffs [message #847458 is a reply to message #847444 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 September 2025 13:02



Pretty telling that the only team "investigated" by the NHL for cap circumvention last year was Edmonton with Kane.. courtesy of C. Campbell and Bettman.. while Florida was the one icing a team a mile over the cap.


Worth remembering, it was Evander Kane's big mouth that got us investigated. He indicated he was feeling great and expected to play again soon right before the Oilers announced he was done for the regular season. Just the dumbest and most selfish player.

I am surprised that the NHL has decided to take this particular path related to playoff cap. It is a little more forgiving than it could be - since the regular season it's the 23-man roster that has to be compliant, and in the post-season it's only the 20-man roster. That said, this will make it a lot harder to get deals done at the deadline and you're going to see teams forced to trade/take back roster guys in order to make the numbers work.

It will be interesting to see which teams figure out the best angle on how to manage that. I would think that you don't want the Trent Frederic's of the world on 8-year deals as it'll be way easier to send expiring contracts to non-contenders than any long contracts.

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 Re: New LTIR Rules in Effect for 2025/26 Playoffs [message #847466 is a reply to message #847458 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 03 September 2025 12:50

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 September 2025 13:02



Pretty telling that the only team "investigated" by the NHL for cap circumvention last year was Edmonton with Kane.. courtesy of C. Campbell and Bettman.. while Florida was the one icing a team a mile over the cap.


Worth remembering, it was Evander Kane's big mouth that got us investigated. He indicated he was feeling great and expected to play again soon right before the Oilers announced he was done for the regular season. Just the dumbest and most selfish player.

I am surprised that the NHL has decided to take this particular path related to playoff cap. It is a little more forgiving than it could be - since the regular season it's the 23-man roster that has to be compliant, and in the post-season it's only the 20-man roster. That said, this will make it a lot harder to get deals done at the deadline and you're going to see teams forced to trade/take back roster guys in order to make the numbers work.

It will be interesting to see which teams figure out the best angle on how to manage that. I would think that you don't want the Trent Frederic's of the world on 8-year deals as it'll be way easier to send expiring contracts to non-contenders than any long contracts.


Think that's why Kane is gone.

The year before too, still makes no sense how he turned a hernia in October into multiple hernias and muscle tears that took him out of the playoffs. Some of the dumbest crap I've ever seen. If Kane got the 1 hernia repaired and LTIR'd to let us add 1 extra good player at the deadline, we probably have a cup win in 23/24, and who knows, maybe Marchand wants us instead the year after. OH WELL!!!! And who knows, maybe our stinky goaltending still finds a way to burn us in 23/24 no matter what we had on the roster.

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 Re: New LTIR Rules in Effect for 2025/26 Playoffs [message #847441 is a reply to message #847438 ]
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https://puckpedia.com/news/upcoming-LTIR-changes

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New Playoff Salary Accounting Rules

For each playoff game, the total cap hit of the dressed players must be under the cap ceiling for that season. Playoff cap calculations follow these rules:

Performance and Games Played bonuses are excluded from a player’s playoff cap hit.
Player cap hits are not pro-rated (i.e. the player’s full-season cap hit is used, even if they were acquired or called up mid-season).

Acquired players’ cap hits net of retention count fully (without pro-ration) against the playoff cap (e.g., if 25% salary is retained by the original team, 75% fully counts against the acquiring team’s playoff cap, even if they were acquired mid-season).

Dead cap space (e.g. buried contracts, buyouts, cap recapture penalties, and retained salaries) that were incurred during the season counts toward the playoff cap. This means that if a player had a buried cap hit for part of the season, the accumulated cap hit charged during the season counts as a playoff cap hit regardless of if that player plays or is even still on the team. For example, Spencer Knight had a buried cap hit of $3.35M on the first day of the regular season for Florida in 24-25. This means that Florida would have a playoff cap hit of $17K for that, even though he was traded and no longer on the roster.

For the team that retains cap hit, the retention is pro-rated based on the remaining regular-season days at the time of transaction (e.g. if a team retains 25% of a player’s salary in a transaction, the 25% charged to the retaining team is pro-rated. If that retention occurred halfway through the season, the retaining cap would have a playoff cap hit equal to 25%*50%= 12.5% of the full cap hit). Note that the team that receives the retained player does not have their cap hit pro-rated for the portion of the season the player was on their roster.

Below shows the new playoff accounting rules applied to last playoff game in 2025, Game 6 of the 2025 Stanley Cup Final.

The Salary Cap in 2024-25 was $88M, meaning that the Edmonton Oilers would have been $7,353,277 below the Playoff Cap in Game 6 had it been in effect, while the Florida Panthers would have been $5,038,282 above the Playoff Cap.
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 Re: New LTIR Rules in Effect for 2025/26 Playoffs [message #847459 is a reply to message #847441 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 September 2025 12:48

From article:
https://puckpedia.com/news/upcoming-LTIR-changes

Quote:


New Playoff Salary Accounting Rules

For each playoff game, the total cap hit of the dressed players must be under the cap ceiling for that season. Playoff cap calculations follow these rules:

Performance and Games Played bonuses are excluded from a player’s playoff cap hit.
Player cap hits are not pro-rated (i.e. the player’s full-season cap hit is used, even if they were acquired or called up mid-season).

Acquired players’ cap hits net of retention count fully (without pro-ration) against the playoff cap (e.g., if 25% salary is retained by the original team, 75% fully counts against the acquiring team’s playoff cap, even if they were acquired mid-season).

Dead cap space (e.g. buried contracts, buyouts, cap recapture penalties, and retained salaries) that were incurred during the season counts toward the playoff cap. This means that if a player had a buried cap hit for part of the season, the accumulated cap hit charged during the season counts as a playoff cap hit regardless of if that player plays or is even still on the team. For example, Spencer Knight had a buried cap hit of $3.35M on the first day of the regular season for Florida in 24-25. This means that Florida would have a playoff cap hit of $17K for that, even though he was traded and no longer on the roster.

For the team that retains cap hit, the retention is pro-rated based on the remaining regular-season days at the time of transaction (e.g. if a team retains 25% of a player’s salary in a transaction, the 25% charged to the retaining team is pro-rated. If that retention occurred halfway through the season, the retaining cap would have a playoff cap hit equal to 25%*50%= 12.5% of the full cap hit). Note that the team that receives the retained player does not have their cap hit pro-rated for the portion of the season the player was on their roster.

Below shows the new playoff accounting rules applied to last playoff game in 2025, Game 6 of the 2025 Stanley Cup Final.

The Salary Cap in 2024-25 was $88M, meaning that the Edmonton Oilers would have been $7,353,277 below the Playoff Cap in Game 6 had it been in effect, while the Florida Panthers would have been $5,038,282 above the Playoff Cap.
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https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/UL3yjrFIV8qb.png?o=1






My head hurts trying to understand that. Teams need to be investing in quality capologists and accountants.

If I had to guess, this will really hamper the trade deadline, and making it harder for deals to get done. Oilers shouldn't be putting all their hopes and prayers on someone coming in at the end of the season to solve a problem.

It also seems to me that retention is going to be of huge importance, and we likely see more deals with it. Bottom feeders teams should be trying to stock-pile draft picks by providing some playoff cap reliefs for contenders.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 03 September 2025 15:21

My head hurts trying to understand that. Teams need to be investing in quality capologists and accountants.

If I had to guess, this will really hamper the trade deadline, and making it harder for deals to get done. Oilers shouldn't be putting all their hopes and prayers on someone coming in at the end of the season to solve a problem.

It also seems to me that retention is going to be of huge importance, and we likely see more deals with it. Bottom feeders teams should be trying to stock-pile draft picks by providing some playoff cap reliefs for contenders.


This is true.

They also got rid of the double retention in a trade.. starting this year.. took teams by surprise..

Used to be you could trade a guy with a high cap to the 1st team.. they retain 50% .. and then the 2nd team retains 50% .. and then they complete the trade to the acquiring team.. the acquiring team receiving the player at 75% retained..

Now.. there has to be a 75 day gap between the two trades that involve cap retention... likely not going to happen now.. the 1st team would a temporary holding pen for the player.. they won't want to hang on to the player for 2 months waiting to complete a trade as the intermediary..

Teams like Vegas and Florida just lost some ability to manipulate the cap.

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 Re: New LTIR Rules in Effect for 2025/26 Playoffs [message #847443 is a reply to message #847438 ]
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This is interesting from the comments section of the Puckpedia article.. one guy asks about the tactic of "accrual" of cap space for the trade deadline that teams have used in the past.. puckpedia guy says that it no longer helps for the playoffs.. you can pick the guy up for the regular season at reduced cap hit.. but he'll be 100% cap hit in playoffs.. if I read that correctly.. ?

I suspect this will alter what a lot of teams plan to do with their rosters before the start of the season.. regarding playing under the cap to accrue space for the deadline.. maybe why the NHLPA went along with implementing this as soon as they have.. more NHL cap will be consumed during the year..

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Nonpoint: Wouldn't the new playoff LTIR rules negate the value in banking cap space? It's totally legal to have a 100M roster with a 90M cap without using LTIR. Now that will be removed?

Taylor from PuckPedia: Correct. It removes any benefit to accrual for teams in the playoffs. If a team acquires a player with 25% of the year remaining, in the playoffs he’s 100%.

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I suspect trade deadline "frenzy" will be a lot less eventful.. teams will have to actually make cap space for the player if they plan to use him for the playoffs.. and the magic playoff "Holy Resurrection" of a team's LTIR player for game one puck drop will be drastically reduced..

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Florida will have to spill some cap once Tkchuk comes back.. they are currently $4.5M over the cap.. including Tkchuk's $9.5M.. but they currently have him on IR.. they might've been planning a full season LTIR .. but now he'd be full $9.5M hit for playoffs regardless if he was on LTIR all season..

So they either 1) trade out $4.5M in roster during the season.. and use Tkchuk in the playoffs.. or 2) keep Tkchuk on LTIR all season.. add players to the roster up to the cap limit.. then in the playoffs, add Tkchuk and trim the roster to be cap compliant game to game..

Either way.. probably not what Florida originally envisioned for this year.

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Rules are only as good as their punishment, what’s the penalty if a team decides to dress a team above the playoff cap? Anything besides forfeiting the game falls short.

This is a complicated but necessary change.

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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 04 September 2025 01:05

Rules are only as good as their punishment, what’s the penalty if a team decides to dress a team above the playoff cap? Anything besides forfeiting the game falls short.

This is a complicated but necessary change.


I am willing to bet that it will be up to the other team to catch them during the game. Then they would be forced to take a player out of the game and receive a delay of game penalty. If they are not caught during the game it will likely be a reduction in cap space for the next game, which could force them to dress one less player. I don't see a world where the NHL would allow a team to forfeit a playoff game due to the salary cap.

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