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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847299 is a reply to message #847293 ]	Wed, 09 July 2025 07:15

inverno76
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The only other team that would take a run at Hart would be Philly, who also seems to be able to ignore checkered pasts.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847301 is a reply to message #847293 ]	Wed, 09 July 2025 08:39

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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 22:48

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 16:34

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 13:01

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 12:34

Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 10:32

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 10:19

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 09:40

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 08:40

Surprised no one's mentioned it so far, but Dustin Schwartz isn't being re-inked.

Saw Gregor calling for an expanded goaltending department in the org. Maybe Schwartz still has a chance to fail upwards like Lowe :) His application is in for "Director of Goalie Development"

Gregor doesn't say anything worthwhile now. He worked his way into the in crowd and created his little media empire, which he should be proud of, but he's just not a contributor to the discourse. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go off on a 7 minute argument with myself against a completely made up point of view.

Get a good goalie coach. Simple as.

Sadly it is true. Gregs has shifted his opinion pieces in favour of the the meal ticket that supports his station. I get it, it's understandable why you would do that. It's for survival. However I did appreciate the discourse he generally used to bring. Lowetide is about the only person that provides real, unbiased opinion. He's old and made his hay, so he can be a little bit of a mixer. I'm not saying Lowetide doesn't speak at all slanted sometimes but he provides context and reasoning behind his points.

Oh and IMHO Dustin Schwartz wasn't the entire problem... however it's good he's moved on

Yeah, he was just a part of the problem. Which leads to the sadder part of all this. It may be that the Schwartz card is being used now as an excuse to do nothing with our actual goalies. Org may try to sell that Skinner will be better with a new goalie coach, so this gives a 1-2 year buffer to still not be serious about getting a true #1 goalie. I guess the only person they care that they convince right now is McDavid.

I don't think Skinner HAS to go, but it can't be him and Pickard again. They need to have someone else who might possibly challenge for the starter's role, even if they land back on Skinner.

And given they just signed another 31-year old AHL keeper, I really hope that Pickard isn't platooning in the AHL either. Would mean there's no development spot down there at all.

IMO you need a guy that you are pretty close to certain could be the starter. I would not expect right now that Skinner can be a starter all the way to a Stanley cup. Guy lost his net 2 times this playoffs, once the year before. It's a never ending headache and a huge drag on the coach and players.

What do I think the Oilers plan is? It's still Skinner #1, and prayers a new coach coach can fix him. Backup is going to either be Hart if he's innocent, or whatever guy looks decent that we can get dirt cheap.

Cough cough not guilty cough.

Not getting convicted never means you're found innocent. Just not guilty.

I wish I knew that that wasn't the plan...but I don't have huge faith here.

Cough. Innocence can't be proven.

The purpose of a hockey team is to play hockey. It's foolish to demand good hockey players who meet your arbitrary bar for moral behavior.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847302 is a reply to message #847293 ]	Wed, 09 July 2025 10:46

Kr55
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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 22:48

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 16:34

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 13:01

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 12:34

Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 10:32

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 10:19

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 09:40

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 July 2025 08:40

Surprised no one's mentioned it so far, but Dustin Schwartz isn't being re-inked.

Saw Gregor calling for an expanded goaltending department in the org. Maybe Schwartz still has a chance to fail upwards like Lowe :) His application is in for "Director of Goalie Development"

Cough cough not guilty cough.

Not getting convicted never means you're found innocent. Just not guilty.

I wish I knew that that wasn't the plan...but I don't have huge faith here.

Just going by "innocent until proven guilty" :) Like OJ, the first time around at least.

Really though, this damn team needs to win a cup with McDavid. I'm all in on the "do whatever it takes" train. I will forget getting Hart or Bowman. I would never forget this team being the first ever to fumble a generational talent and never win a cup.

[Updated on: Wed, 09 July 2025 10:47]

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- Lowe, 2013

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- MacT, 2015

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847303 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Wed, 09 July 2025 12:06

Rocksteady
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Maybe this entire thread has covid now thanks to all the coughing!!! lol you guys..

FWIW, you don't throw Skinner away, there is too much of a talent there to waste it away and be flippant because he sometimes lack focus, he's organically grown within the organization. To me, it's really the maturity of the player that is being questioned, you know, his focus. When the lights are bright in the finals, can Skinner get us over the top? Well, right now, no.

He's led us to the finals with Picks allowing him to reset.

What Skinner needs now is someone to fill in that gap of focus and building on hard knocks reality of being a exceptionally good goaltender in the NHL. Can Carter "I'm not guilty but I'm not completely innocent" Hart help him? Maybe.

Right now, seeing our beloved team being at the final stage twice in a row unable to get it done must burn at these guys especially McD. So I will forgive whatever I need to in order to cross the finish line. Morals are set aside in the pursuit of greatness. Look no further than Hart, Kane, Kassian, and even beyond hockey.. [B}Trump[/B} for example.

*Sorry MJ... I stirred the pot a little too much there lollol

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847330 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Fri, 11 July 2025 16:07

Skookum Jim
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From Gregor

Quote:

Pelletier joins Gulutzan in Dallas.

Schwartz not re-signed.

I’m hearing unlikely Coffey returns to bench.

Stuart will be retained.

So two new assistants, a goalie coach and a skating/skills coach. Knoblauch is doing interviews now.

Goalie coach short list has Rodrigue and Aubrey.

Hope its not Rodrigue.. he was goalie coach in Bako and didn't seem to do much.. even with his own kid

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847337 is a reply to message #847330 ]	Mon, 14 July 2025 11:26

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New coaching staff announced.

Paul McFarland (assistant), Peter Aubry (goaltending) & Conor Allen (skills)
Mark Stuart & Noah Segali (video) got contract extensions.

Edit: Coffey goes back to an advisory role.

[Updated on: Mon, 14 July 2025 11:46]

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847338 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Mon, 14 July 2025 11:57

Skookum Jim
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Location: Burnaby, BC

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From Oilers:

Coffee is back to special advisor .. (I think Coffee could have stayed if he wanted.. Darnell broke him..)

Quote:

“NEW COACHES .. The Oilers have added Paul McFarland (assistant), Peter Aubry (goaltending) & Conor Allen (skills) to their coaching staff.”

“Additionally, the team announced Paul Coffey will return to his role as a special advisor to ownership and hockey operations, while a contract extension was not offered to goaltending coach Dustin Schwartz.”

Assistant.. McFarland .. the guy has been around .. no idea of his abilities.. Kraken 3 seasons.. Florida 2 seasons .. and Calgary's WHL team! Flame organization provides another Oiler assistant coach.

Quote:

“McFarland (39) joins the Oilers as an assistant coach after leading the WHL’s Calgary Hitmen as head coach last season. The Richmond Hill, Ontario native makes his return to the NHL after working as an assistant for the Seattle Kraken for three seasons (2021-24). He began his NHL coaching career as an assistant with the Florida Panthers (2017-19) before moving to the Toronto Maple Leafs for the 2019-20 campaign. McFarland returned to his OHL coaching roots for one season as the GM and head coach of the Kingston Frontenacs in 2020-21 prior to joining the Kraken for their inaugural year.

Goaltending .. Bowman calls up someone familiar to him.. no idea of his track record

Quote:

“Aubry (48) enters his first season as the Oilers goaltending coach after two years as an associate coach with Nebraska-Omaha (NCAA). Hailing from Windsor, Ontario, he also makes his return to the NHL after spending eight seasons (2015-24) as the Chicago Blackhawks developmental goaltending coach as well as the goaltending coach for the team’s AHL affiliate in Rockford.

Skill Development .. seems light on pro-hockey work .. and need way more people.. JMHO

Quote:

“Allen (35) begins his first NHL season with the Oilers as the team’s skills coach. The Chicago native and UMass graduate spent last season with USA Hockey’s national under-17 team and has also recently worked in a skill development role with the Sioux City Musketeers (USHL) along with Prodigy Prospects. Following his retirement from professional hockey in 2021, the former defenceman and veteran of 284 AHL games transitioned to his new role incorporating on-ice sessions and video analysis with a specific focus on skill acquisition and hockey IQ.

Renewals .. Stuart on D.. Video dude..

Quote:

“The Oilers have also confirmed contract extensions for assistant coach Mark Stuart and video coach Noah Segall.”

Quote:

Me: They just need a department of "Skating Analysis and Development" to replace their previous dependence on one guy.. Pelletier..
(for both NHL and prospects.. they could start off by creating and analyzing a model of McDavid's skating mechanics!)

[Updated on: Mon, 14 July 2025 13:58]

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847339 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Mon, 14 July 2025 13:19

Skookum Jim
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Knoblauch talks about the coaches.. and other stuff..

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/video/raw-kris-knoblauch-07-14-25 -6375644770112

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847381 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Fri, 25 July 2025 02:12

Skookum Jim
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this is kinda funny.. and sad

.. 9.25 😪

https://x.com/StonyOil/status/1948539917757546545

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847384 is a reply to message #847381 ]	Fri, 25 July 2025 10:23

Kr55
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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 25 July 2025 02:12

this is kinda funny.. and sad

.. 9.25 😪

https://x.com/StonyOil/status/1948539917757546545

lol. Gonna be seeing people pull that video up in social media all next season now every game Nurse looks like a dope.

I remember early in Nurse’s career we would hear about him getting special coaching in the summers like a skills coach, and it seemed to improve his game. He took some big steps forward from the rough start to his career. Then the guy just slammed into a wall. Around the time Holland gave him retirement money.

[Updated on: Fri, 25 July 2025 10:25]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847385 is a reply to message #847384 ]	Fri, 25 July 2025 10:50

Adam
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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 25 July 2025 10:23

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 25 July 2025 02:12

this is kinda funny.. and sad

.. 9.25 😪

https://x.com/StonyOil/status/1948539917757546545

The worst part is that it's meaningless. It's just a training dummy and everyone has moments - but it's a funny juxtaposition after McDavid does the whole course.

I really wish Edmonton fans could set aside the sunk cost when cheering for a player. There's no changing what Nurse makes, and that contract is Holland's fault, not his. But it amplifies the pressure on him and he's expected to show a level of perfection because of it that he can never hope to live up to.

The contract can't be traded and can't be bought out, so we just have to hope he can play at the top of his game. I do think a different voice as defensive coach is probably not the worst thing for him now.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847386 is a reply to message #847385 ]	Fri, 25 July 2025 14:29

Skookum Jim
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Adam wrote on Fri, 25 July 2025 09:50

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 25 July 2025 10:23

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 25 July 2025 02:12

this is kinda funny.. and sad

.. 9.25 😪

https://x.com/StonyOil/status/1948539917757546545

Agree the video by itself is meaningless but it kind of visualizes one of the Oilers problems into a single meme clip.. best player in the world.. and here's your "no. 1" LHD ..

Also humorously encapsulates Nurse's plateau in skill development as a defencemen.. he had so much promise as a junior.. maybe the new skills coach can teach him something.. ?

I don't think anyone really cares about how much money he gets in his bank, its not our money, but in a cap world its the team's money, which ideally represents the team's ability to get winning talent.. and winning championships.. so 9.25 gets hard to ignore when you have to pass on your own player retention, and pass on good trades because your cap is a mess.. nothing we can do about it as you said.. contract is an anchor imbedded in concrete.. but we can at least laugh a bit about it 😊

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847387 is a reply to message #847386 ]	Fri, 25 July 2025 16:02

Adam
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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 25 July 2025 14:29

It is funny, especially in juxtaposition. I just think it's already hard on players feeling they live in a fishbowl, and there's so many dumb fans that will yell "$9.25 MILLION" or things like that AT the games or come up and give them advice when they see them at the supermarket or a restaurant. I worry that Nurse is going to go down the Bergeron/Schultz/Poti route where idiot fans get on them to the point that they fear making mistakes whenever playing at home.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847389 is a reply to message #847387 ]	Fri, 25 July 2025 18:59

Kr55
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Adam wrote on Fri, 25 July 2025 16:02

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 25 July 2025 14:29

It's a shame that media and fans can run good players out of town. Why can't we run the bad (either actually bad, or paid way too much and are handicapping the team) players out too? :)

9.25!!!!!!!

https://preview.redd.it/while-skinner-struggles-lets-not-forget-darnell-nurse-plays-v0-nhwhxft0z50f1.jpeg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=94be2451fd1139e861bd1f6fab8aa1bbd4a9332f

[Updated on: Fri, 25 July 2025 19:02]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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