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Re: 2025 RFA's/UFA's [message #847313 is a reply to message #847276 ]	Thu, 10 July 2025 12:41

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Adam wrote on Mon, 07 July 2025 14:38

jerekybeef wrote on Sun, 06 July 2025 09:54

Lots of people said the same thing about Perry being undesirable and he just left as sort of a hero because of the way he played. I guess it would come down to if they are found guilty or not. I’m not condoning anything they’ve been accused of by any means just have to wait for the judgement. MacT was a legit killer and went on to become a player, coach, GM.

Pretty big difference. Corey Perry got drunk and aggressively hit on Chris Chelios' daughter. Definitely a far from ideal situation, but not exactly criminal.

What Hart & company did is far worse and the details are all out there. It's up to the judge to decide if there's enough evidence to convict but what they did isn't in question, nor is the fact that the girl wasn't okay with it, and that even the players were pretty uncomfortable about it and texted each other afterwards, with McLeod texting the girl repeatedly to try to make sure they didn't get in trouble.

The fact that the players felt they needed to film the girl saying she consented suggests that there was no point where they didn't think that this was potentially problematic behaviour.

Getting a conviction takes a high threshold on burden of proof, and things like consent are really complicated to judge years later - but that doesn't mean that the girl doesn't truly feel victimized or that the players knowingly did something even they felt could be seen as odious.

I put this one more along the lines of Jake Virtanen than Corey Perry. And it sickened me to see the Oilers give Virtanen a shot after that.

Edit to add this article:

https://www.tsn.ca/crown-takes-aim-at-purported-consent-vide o-at-london-hockey-trial-1.2321091

Read all the parts about Carter Hart and think if that is really who we want as our goaltender.

His testimony paints a different picture that what TSN is pushing. https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/carter-hart-questioned-cons ent-video-225429596.html?guccounter=1

ie. rather that she was super into it and everyone was having a good time.

I don't think there's anything inherently nefarious in filming a consent video. Look, group sex like this is pretty trashy, but it's not uncommon with athletes. Having even a modicum of fame - these guys should be protecting themselves. I don't consider the consent video to even be a data point in considering whether these guys are rapists. Furthermore, it's just such a silly internet thing to believe - that all these guys got together, twirling their mustaches, and came up with an evil plan to take advantage of an innocent drunk young woman. It's a much more likely and believable story that this *engaged* woman regretted her actions the next day once she considered the consequences and her family pushed her to press charges because no way could their little girl possibly be into this trashy act.

Hockey Canada even conceded that they barely did an investigation at all before issuing the payout. These players got railroaded. If you followed this trial, it's so obvious that they aren't going to be found guilty and even bringing this case to trial is total BS. This whole trial is just spectacle for the media to eat up and continue to crap on hockey culture. Shame on everyone involved for digging this back up. The only thing this trial proved these people are guilty of is being trashy, nothing more.

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