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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847102 is a reply to message #847100 ]	Mon, 30 June 2025 15:26

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 13:40

Bouch 4 x 10.5M seems to be finalized

TSN @TSN_Sports

BREAKING: The Oilers have signed Evan Bouchard to a 4-year, $10.5M AAV contract extension, per
@reporterchris

No discount here. Wonder what he wanted to >4 years. Think we have ~3M of cap space left. Need to start moving some bums.

Got a big contrast here between the cup champs and us. Got a more balanced team where no 2 or 3 guys can really claim they carried the group solo for extended periods, and you end up with a bunch of guys that want to keep winning and everyone is playing the same way. With a GM that can make a case to guys that they can keep winning with a little sacrifice.

Then you have our team where 2-3 guys need to blow the doors off for the team to ever have any shot, that all want to be paid appropriately for being the best or near the best. And you have crap management for years that surrounds them with plugs, many overpaid for what they bring. Some even paid like they are superstars but they are not even close to being one.

The issues is the first case is impossible for us to achieve because we never had good management, so thank goodness for draft/lottery luck. We all know why we keep failing though. Oh well!! On to next season, where we go back to hoping those few top guys can overcome trash management again. Looking pretty likely we have to play Florida in the finals once again, if we make it.

Don’t like the number. But atleast it’s only four years…?

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847103 is a reply to message #847102 ]	Mon, 30 June 2025 15:52

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nullterm wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 13:40

Bouch 4 x 10.5M seems to be finalized

TSN @TSN_Sports

BREAKING: The Oilers have signed Evan Bouchard to a 4-year, $10.5M AAV contract extension, per
@reporterchris

No discount here. Wonder what he wanted to >4 years. Think we have ~3M of cap space left. Need to start moving some bums.

Got a big contrast here between the cup champs and us. Got a more balanced team where no 2 or 3 guys can really claim they carried the group solo for extended periods, and you end up with a bunch of guys that want to keep winning and everyone is playing the same way. With a GM that can make a case to guys that they can keep winning with a little sacrifice.

Then you have our team where 2-3 guys need to blow the doors off for the team to ever have any shot, that all want to be paid appropriately for being the best or near the best. And you have crap management for years that surrounds them with plugs, many overpaid for what they bring. Some even paid like they are superstars but they are not even close to being one.

The issues is the first case is impossible for us to achieve because we never had good management, so thank goodness for draft/lottery luck. We all know why we keep failing though. Oh well!! On to next season, where we go back to hoping those few top guys can overcome trash management again. Looking pretty likely we have to play Florida in the finals once again, if we make it.

Don’t like the number. But atleast it’s only four years…?

Just means that if they want to keep him in 4 years they will have to pay him $12.5 after that.

Anyone else feel like player salaries are getting massively inflated again? I suppose it's all the sweet gambling money injected into the game since Covid.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847104 is a reply to message #847103 ]	Mon, 30 June 2025 15:59

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oilfan94 wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 15:52

nullterm wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 13:40

Bouch 4 x 10.5M seems to be finalized

TSN @TSN_Sports

BREAKING: The Oilers have signed Evan Bouchard to a 4-year, $10.5M AAV contract extension, per
@reporterchris

No discount here. Wonder what he wanted to >4 years. Think we have ~3M of cap space left. Need to start moving some bums.

Got a big contrast here between the cup champs and us. Got a more balanced team where no 2 or 3 guys can really claim they carried the group solo for extended periods, and you end up with a bunch of guys that want to keep winning and everyone is playing the same way. With a GM that can make a case to guys that they can keep winning with a little sacrifice.

Then you have our team where 2-3 guys need to blow the doors off for the team to ever have any shot, that all want to be paid appropriately for being the best or near the best. And you have crap management for years that surrounds them with plugs, many overpaid for what they bring. Some even paid like they are superstars but they are not even close to being one.

The issues is the first case is impossible for us to achieve because we never had good management, so thank goodness for draft/lottery luck. We all know why we keep failing though. Oh well!! On to next season, where we go back to hoping those few top guys can overcome trash management again. Looking pretty likely we have to play Florida in the finals once again, if we make it.

Don’t like the number. But atleast it’s only four years…?

Just means that if they want to keep him in 4 years they will have to pay him $12.5 after that.

Anyone else feel like player salaries are getting massively inflated again? I suppose it's all the sweet gambling money injected into the game since Covid.

Seems like Bouch camp was in total control of this negotiation. The huge cap increases coming and Bouch’s attractiveness for offer sheets probably had them closer to 12.5M x 8 as their ask. If he keeps playing like he has been in the playoffs he can probably get 14M as UFA in 4 years with the cap way up.

It’s probably a fair deal, but still burns since our main competition is getting discount deal after discount deal to keep their core together.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847130 is a reply to message #847103 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 10:22

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oilfan94 wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 15:52

nullterm wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 13:40

Bouch 4 x 10.5M seems to be finalized

TSN @TSN_Sports

BREAKING: The Oilers have signed Evan Bouchard to a 4-year, $10.5M AAV contract extension, per
@reporterchris

No discount here. Wonder what he wanted to >4 years. Think we have ~3M of cap space left. Need to start moving some bums.

Got a big contrast here between the cup champs and us. Got a more balanced team where no 2 or 3 guys can really claim they carried the group solo for extended periods, and you end up with a bunch of guys that want to keep winning and everyone is playing the same way. With a GM that can make a case to guys that they can keep winning with a little sacrifice.

Then you have our team where 2-3 guys need to blow the doors off for the team to ever have any shot, that all want to be paid appropriately for being the best or near the best. And you have crap management for years that surrounds them with plugs, many overpaid for what they bring. Some even paid like they are superstars but they are not even close to being one.

The issues is the first case is impossible for us to achieve because we never had good management, so thank goodness for draft/lottery luck. We all know why we keep failing though. Oh well!! On to next season, where we go back to hoping those few top guys can overcome trash management again. Looking pretty likely we have to play Florida in the finals once again, if we make it.

Don’t like the number. But atleast it’s only four years…?

Just means that if they want to keep him in 4 years they will have to pay him $12.5 after that.

Anyone else feel like player salaries are getting massively inflated again? I suppose it's all the sweet gambling money injected into the game since Covid.

In 4 years with similar production and playoff performances he’s a 16M guy. Salaries are blowing up. The only discounts go to 35+ and even those guys are getting 2 or 3 years extra term.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847105 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Mon, 30 June 2025 16:11

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Just another rough day in Oilers History.
I still love our team but 10.5 mill for a guy who cannot defend.. is a turn over machine.. oooof. Then there’s the 9.25 dead horse.. ugh $50 mill in 4 players..
So long Stanley!!!! We were so close!!!!!
Meanwhile big discounts in Florida, building a dynasty..
our only good news is maybe signing Allen… yay…..zzz.

I would have tried to flip Bouchard for Sorokin!
If they said no.. he’s def bringing you a 1st, player and prospect at the least.
Then you sign Tyson Barrie at $1 mill as he is basically the same player just older if you want that type of player, which I don’t. I think we need a physical shut down d man.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847107 is a reply to message #847105 ]	Mon, 30 June 2025 16:50

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NCREDiBLE wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 15:11

I still love our team but 10.5 mill for a guy who cannot defend.. is a turn over machine.. oooof. Then there’s the 9.25 dead horse.. ugh $50 mill in 4 players..
So long Stanley!!!! We were so close!!!!!

Yeah $19.75M (20%) tied up with 2 defencemen who can't defend ..

By not signing for 8 he sends a signal that winning (team) is not as important as maxing out on his value.
Maybe we got Bouch without a NMC ?? (I kid!)

Povorov just got 7 x 8.5M .. so maybe the market has gone nuts..

Gonna be interesting what T. Jeanott gets tomorrow.. yikes!

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847111 is a reply to message #847107 ]	Mon, 30 June 2025 17:09

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 16:50

NCREDiBLE wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 15:11

I still love our team but 10.5 mill for a guy who cannot defend.. is a turn over machine.. oooof. Then there’s the 9.25 dead horse.. ugh $50 mill in 4 players..
So long Stanley!!!! We were so close!!!!!

Yeah $19.75M (20%) tied up with 2 defencemen who can't defend ..

By not signing for 8 he sends a signal that winning (team) is not as important as maxing out on his value.
Maybe we got Bouch without a NMC ?? (I kid!)

Povorov just got 7 x 8.5M .. so maybe the market has gone nuts..

Gonna be interesting what T. Jeanott gets tomorrow.. yikes!

Bouch defended better than almost any of our D through these playoffs. He probably made more nice defensive plays in a dozen individual games than Nurse does in entire series.

Don't think Nurse and Bouch should even be compared. One guy is getting paid fair value now, which sucks, but it is what it is, and has been an insane playoff performer 3 years in a row now. One guys has been overpaid from the second he signed his deal and is a headache foor the coach every playoffs.

Most teams in the league would take Bouch at 10.5M no problem. 0 would take Nurse at 9.25M. Probably not even 7M except maybe Holland.

[Updated on: Mon, 30 June 2025 17:12]

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847112 is a reply to message #847111 ]	Mon, 30 June 2025 17:23

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 16:09

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 16:50

NCREDiBLE wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 15:11

I still love our team but 10.5 mill for a guy who cannot defend.. is a turn over machine.. oooof. Then there’s the 9.25 dead horse.. ugh $50 mill in 4 players..
So long Stanley!!!! We were so close!!!!!

Yeah $19.75M (20%) tied up with 2 defencemen who can't defend ..

By not signing for 8 he sends a signal that winning (team) is not as important as maxing out on his value.
Maybe we got Bouch without a NMC ?? (I kid!)

Povorov just got 7 x 8.5M .. so maybe the market has gone nuts..

Gonna be interesting what T. Jeanott gets tomorrow.. yikes!

Bouch defended better than almost any of our D through these playoffs. He probably made more nice defensive plays in a dozen individual games than Nurse does in entire series.

Don't think Nurse and Bouch should even be compared. One guy is getting paid fair value now, which sucks, but it is what it is, and has been an insane playoff performer 3 years in a row now. One guys has been overpaid from the second he signed his deal and is a headache foor the coach every playoffs.

Most teams in the league would take Bouch at 10.5M no problem. 0 would take Nurse at 9.25M. Probably not even 7M except maybe Holland.

Not saying 10.5M isn't "market" value.. just saying he's weak on defense.. him and Nurse being the weakest of the 6 D-men.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847114 is a reply to message #847107 ]	Mon, 30 June 2025 17:31

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 16:50

NCREDiBLE wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 15:11

I still love our team but 10.5 mill for a guy who cannot defend.. is a turn over machine.. oooof. Then there’s the 9.25 dead horse.. ugh $50 mill in 4 players..
So long Stanley!!!! We were so close!!!!!

Yeah $19.75M (20%) tied up with 2 defencemen who can't defend ..

By not signing for 8 he sends a signal that winning (team) is not as important as maxing out on his value.
Maybe we got Bouch without a NMC ?? (I kid!)

Povorov just got 7 x 8.5M .. so maybe the market has gone nuts..

Gonna be interesting what T. Jeanott gets tomorrow.. yikes!

Honest question. What do you two, or anyone else with this opinion, see that leads you to believe he Can't defend?

From my POV;
He isn't an elite defender but far from terrible. I believe most stats back that up.
He has a high number of giveaways but almost every offensive Dman does. As a comparison he had 12 move 5V5 giveaways than Makar, 6 more than Hanifan and for fun, 13 more than Broberg.
I dont know where to find the stat but apparently he led the league in literal puck possession. When you have the puck that much you will have higher turnovers.

The "can't defend label" seems to be based on the fact that some of his turnovers are world class screw ups. I hate those as much as the biggest Bouchard hater. There also is a media narrative that I think is driven by his face. It looks like he is high and/or barely awake which gives the appearance he isn't putting in full effort.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847116 is a reply to message #847114 ]	Mon, 30 June 2025 18:13

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PlusOne wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 16:31

Honest question. What do you two, or anyone else with this opinion, see that leads you to believe he Can't defend?

From my POV;
He isn't an elite defender but far from terrible. I believe most stats back that up.
He has a high number of giveaways but almost every offensive Dman does. As a comparison he had 12 move 5V5 giveaways than Makar, 6 more than Hanifan and for fun, 13 more than Broberg.
I dont know where to find the stat but apparently he led the league in literal puck possession. When you have the puck that much you will have higher turnovers.

The "can't defend label" seems to be based on the fact that some of his turnovers are world class screw ups. I hate those as much as the biggest Bouchard hater. There also is a media narrative that I think is driven by his face. It looks like he is high and/or barely awake which gives the appearance he isn't putting in full effort.

Some of the things are the frequency, and game situation with the goofs.. poor adjustment for risk.. and score.. net front is poor.. same as Nurse.. men and sticks don't get tied up.. we probably have different POV's which is OK.. the hope the Oilers are taking is that #2 removes those issues out of his game. Fans hoping too.

Here s a few low lights someone put together.. turn off the sound

https://www.tiktok.com/@jq32memes/video/7517324823396158751

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847132 is a reply to message #847116 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 10:26

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 18:13

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 30 June 2025 16:31

Honest question. What do you two, or anyone else with this opinion, see that leads you to believe he Can't defend?

From my POV;
He isn't an elite defender but far from terrible. I believe most stats back that up.
He has a high number of giveaways but almost every offensive Dman does. As a comparison he had 12 move 5V5 giveaways than Makar, 6 more than Hanifan and for fun, 13 more than Broberg.
I dont know where to find the stat but apparently he led the league in literal puck possession. When you have the puck that much you will have higher turnovers.

The "can't defend label" seems to be based on the fact that some of his turnovers are world class screw ups. I hate those as much as the biggest Bouchard hater. There also is a media narrative that I think is driven by his face. It looks like he is high and/or barely awake which gives the appearance he isn't putting in full effort.

Some of the things are the frequency, and game situation with the goofs.. poor adjustment for risk.. and score.. net front is poor.. same as Nurse.. men and sticks don't get tied up.. we probably have different POV's which is OK.. the hope the Oilers are taking is that #2 removes those issues out of his game. Fans hoping too.

Here s a few low lights someone put together.. turn off the sound

https://www.tiktok.com/@jq32memes/video/7517324823396158751

His high lights and his regular solid play far out number his low lights. We could make a 10 minute compilation of Draisaitl blunders. You’ll find what you’re looking for, and if you want to find warts with any elite player you will find tons to validate your argument.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847113 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Mon, 30 June 2025 17:31

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Oilers have 550K of cap left..

Now they gotta punt Henrique and Arvi.. +7M

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847136 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 10:45

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TSN has Corey Perry signing with the Kings.

No details yet.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847137 is a reply to message #847136 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 10:47

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benv wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 10:45

TSN has Corey Perry signing with the Kings.

No details yet.

$3.5 million all in. too rich or the Oilers,

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847139 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 11:03

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Connor Brown to the Devils 4x$3 million

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847140 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 11:07

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Bowman said they wanted to get younger. Brown, Arvi and Perry leaving starts that process.
The only one I will miss is Perry but at that price, and giving him any longer than 1 year, is a mistake. I am glad the Oilers passed.

ETA. Just saw that Perry was one year, I thought I saw it was two. One year makes it palatable but I would not pay that much for him given other needs the Oilers have

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847141 is a reply to message #847140 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 11:22

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McDavid Drai Bouchard Nurse contracts are soaking up all the cap and now the roster is gonna start feeling it getting weaker. We also don’t have a lot coming up. Not sure how I feel about today.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847142 is a reply to message #847141 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 11:30

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nullterm wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 11:22

McDavid Drai Bouchard Nurse contracts are soaking up all the cap and now the roster is gonna start feeling it getting weaker. We also don’t have a lot coming up. Not sure how I feel about today.

It's a bad year because Drai and Bouchard eat up like $14 million more than last year. That erases any cap inflation for the year. The good news is that in future years they will be in a much better situation.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847143 is a reply to message #847142 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 11:53

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Unfortunate that no one wants to take a hometown discount to win ala Florida. Destined to be a middling team with a couple stars and no supporting cast unless they can work some trades.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847144 is a reply to message #847143 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 12:12

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On the one hand, it’s not the end of the world. We made the SCF 2 years in a row. No small feat.

Injuries to Draisaitl last year, and Hyman this year I think were catastrophic to our chances. Not saying healthy 24 Draisaitl and even a present 25 Hyman would have been enough, but I really believe they would have moved the needle. Not to mention RNH finally playing his best hockey ever maybe and then getting hurt…

But for the last decade almost goaltending has been an issue that I don’t believe was ever addressed in earnest. To me that is the biggest failing of this org.

Not far behind was last summer’s offer sheet debacle. I don’t think the impact can be overstated. How great would a $2m Holloway and a $3.5-4m Broberg look?

But here we sit, tight up against the cap, soon to be $50m+ committed to 4 players. And not much happening today…

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847145 is a reply to message #847142 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 12:14

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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 10:30

nullterm wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 11:22

McDavid Drai Bouchard Nurse contracts are soaking up all the cap and now the roster is gonna start feeling it getting weaker. We also don’t have a lot coming up. Not sure how I feel about today.

It's a bad year because Drai and Bouchard eat up like $14 million more than last year. That erases any cap inflation for the year. The good news is that in future years they will be in a much better situation.

Unless McDavid leaves….

This is the most crucial year for the team to be competitive.

The team of the last 2 years is breaking up in the middle at forward, and they need to find better replacements. Options are of running out here without some creativity.

Clean house or bust

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847146 is a reply to message #847145 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 12:20

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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 15:14

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 10:30

nullterm wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 11:22

McDavid Drai Bouchard Nurse contracts are soaking up all the cap and now the roster is gonna start feeling it getting weaker. We also don’t have a lot coming up. Not sure how I feel about today.

It's a bad year because Drai and Bouchard eat up like $14 million more than last year. That erases any cap inflation for the year. The good news is that in future years they will be in a much better situation.

Unless McDavid leaves….

This is the most crucial year for the team to be competitive.

The team of the last 2 years is breaking up in the middle at forward, and they need to find better replacements. Options are of running out here without some creativity.

To be fair, we still have the main pieces in McDavid, Draisaitl, Hyman, and Nuge. A competent management team SHOULD be able to flesh that out.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847147 is a reply to message #847146 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 12:49

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After Frederic, I just have no confidence this group knows what it needs to do to get McDavid a team that at least wins the division in the regular season.

I think we are going to be having conversations around Christmas about what we can get for McDavid.

Clean house or bust

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847150 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 13:19

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We lost Perry to LA for 2M (Crap).. and Brown to NJ for 4 x 3M .. Arvidsson to Bruins.. Jake Allen re-signs in NJ 5 x 1.8M..

Oilers painted themselves in a corner.. no cap.. Nurse contract boat anchor.

Oilers gonna be looking for cheap players at the Dollar Store..

Really going to miss Perry.. and Brown on PK.

Team looking to be much worse than last year..

Boeser re-sign in Vancouver.. so he's gone.. rumour over.

No magic going to happen in UFA.. team's support forwards are worse now.. Kane, Brown, Perry, Arvidsson gone.. plus Klingburg on D

McDavid is watching Free Agent frenzy wondering who the heck he's going to have to play with next year..

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847151 is a reply to message #847150 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 13:32

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 12:19

We lost Perry to LA for 2M (Crap).. and Brown to NJ for 4 x 3M .. Arvidsson to Bruins.. Jake Allen re-signs in NJ 5 x 1.8M..

Oilers painted themselves in a corner.. no cap.. Nurse contract boat anchor.

Oilers gonna be looking for cheap players at the Dollar Store..

Really going to miss Perry.. and Brown on PK.

Team looking to be much worse than last year..

Boeser re-sign in Vancouver.. so he's gone.. rumour over.

No magic going to happen in UFA.. team's support forwards are worse now.. Kane, Brown, Perry, Arvidsson gone.. plus Klingburg on D

McDavid is watching Free Agent frenzy wondering who the heck he's going to have to play with next year..

The anticipation of what team I get to put a McDavid 97 on. And it’s all down to Katz and management being unable to provide a generational player (if not two) with a supporting cast.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847152 is a reply to message #847150 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 13:36

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 13:19

No magic going to happen in UFA.. team's support forwards are worse now.. Kane, Brown, Perry, Arvidsson gone.. plus Klingburg on D

.

Minus Perry, this is a list of players that had little to no impact on the finals. Some had little impact on the entire playoffs. I wouldn't pay Perry what he got.
There is work to do to replace them but let's not pretend they were huge pieces of the team. They each filled a role, some with more success than others, but these are the type of guys they should be able to replacer with incoming players from the farm or cheap signings later in FA.

When you have McDavid, Drai and Bouchard you aren't going big game hunting on the first day of FA.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847156 is a reply to message #847152 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 14:17

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PlusOne wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 12:36

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 13:19

No magic going to happen in UFA.. team's support forwards are worse now.. Kane, Brown, Perry, Arvidsson gone.. plus Klingburg on D

.

Minus Perry, this is a list of players that had little to no impact on the finals. Some had little impact on the entire playoffs. I wouldn't pay Perry what he got.
There is work to do to replace them but let's not pretend they were huge pieces of the team. They each filled a role, some with more success than others, but these are the type of guys they should be able to replacer with incoming players from the farm or cheap signings later in FA.

When you have McDavid, Drai and Bouchard you aren't going big game hunting on the first day of FA.

I'm not saying they made a mistake in not paying them what they wanted (Perry, Brown only ones we'll miss.. and a healthy Kane) .. they couldn't.. plus need cap for Bouchard.. but its still a huge hole in a roster that you have to fill with NHL ready players.. so far for in-fill we have Savoie, Philp.. and the Euro league guys we signed for $1M .. oh forgot.. Maximus Jones!

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847160 is a reply to message #847156 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 14:48

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 16:17

PlusOne wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 12:36

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 13:19

No magic going to happen in UFA.. team's support forwards are worse now.. Kane, Brown, Perry, Arvidsson gone.. plus Klingburg on D

.

Minus Perry, this is a list of players that had little to no impact on the finals. Some had little impact on the entire playoffs. I wouldn't pay Perry what he got.
There is work to do to replace them but let's not pretend they were huge pieces of the team. They each filled a role, some with more success than others, but these are the type of guys they should be able to replacer with incoming players from the farm or cheap signings later in FA.

When you have McDavid, Drai and Bouchard you aren't going big game hunting on the first day of FA.

I'm not saying they made a mistake in not paying them what they wanted (Perry, Brown only ones we'll miss.. and a healthy Kane) .. they couldn't.. plus need cap for Bouchard.. but its still a huge hole in a roster that you have to fill with NHL ready players.. so far for in-fill we have Savoie, Philp.. and the Euro league guys we signed for $1M .. oh forgot.. Maximus Jones!

I had a feeling when we started signing all those guys that it would be our free agent frenzy for the year. We are betting on those guys becoming NHL players all at once. It one of them has a good season that would generally be a win, but we are banking on 3 of them along with Quinn Hutson all working out.

It's a bold strategy. If it works Bowman looks like a genius, but I don't like the odds.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847165 is a reply to message #847160 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 15:51

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oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 13:48

.. I had a feeling when we started signing all those guys that it would be our free agent frenzy for the year. We are betting on those guys becoming NHL players all at once. It one of them has a good season that would generally be a win, but we are banking on 3 of them along with Quinn Hutson all working out.

It's a bold strategy. If it works Bowman looks like a genius, but I don't like the odds.

I thought the same thing.. but hoped it was just for insurance and depth.. as far as strategies, I doubt it was the Plan A.. but at least Bowman had a Plan B.. training camp will be interesting.. lot of open spots.. the Euro scouts will be either heroes or zeros.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847153 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 13:46

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We can pretend that Bowman was playing 4D chess with the Frederic deal to try to raise the market value for bottom 6 forwards. Some dudes got PAID today. Although no one getting max value + max term like our boy Trent did.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847167 is a reply to message #847153 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 16:15

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 13:46

We can pretend that Bowman was playing 4D chess with the Frederic deal to try to raise the market value for bottom 6 forwards. Some dudes got PAID today. Although no one getting max value + max term like our boy Trent did.

Not sure who saying he was playing 4D chess, but the price for that caliber player is only going up. Only a couple of signings out there today were better, and even then it’s debatable.

Tough to argue when the league is dishing out big numbers and term to guys like Jeannot who scored 13 points last season, or giving big term to 33+ year old players. I’m finding it difficult to navigate the new NHL salaries.

I think Bowman did well today not jumping too hard into a mid UFA market.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847170 is a reply to message #847167 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 16:29

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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 18:15

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 13:46

We can pretend that Bowman was playing 4D chess with the Frederic deal to try to raise the market value for bottom 6 forwards. Some dudes got PAID today. Although no one getting max value + max term like our boy Trent did.

Not sure who saying he was playing 4D chess, but the price for that caliber player is only going up. Only a couple of signings out there today were better, and even then it’s debatable.

Tough to argue when the league is dishing out big numbers and term to guys like Jeannot who scored 13 points last season, or giving big term to 33+ year old players. I’m finding it difficult to navigate the new NHL salaries.

I think Bowman did well today not jumping too hard into a mid UFA market.

It's true that sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make. The only one for forwards I noticed that I would have been interested in is the $1M for 1 year on Dadonov. I know he didn't have much going in the playoffs and is older and that is the type of player we are getting rid of, but at $1M you don't say no.

Ryan McLeod getting a 4x5 extension from Buffalo. I think that ends up being a really good deal for them.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847171 is a reply to message #847170 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 16:50

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oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 16:29

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 18:15

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 13:46

We can pretend that Bowman was playing 4D chess with the Frederic deal to try to raise the market value for bottom 6 forwards. Some dudes got PAID today. Although no one getting max value + max term like our boy Trent did.

Not sure who saying he was playing 4D chess, but the price for that caliber player is only going up. Only a couple of signings out there today were better, and even then it’s debatable.

Tough to argue when the league is dishing out big numbers and term to guys like Jeannot who scored 13 points last season, or giving big term to 33+ year old players. I’m finding it difficult to navigate the new NHL salaries.

I think Bowman did well today not jumping too hard into a mid UFA market.

It's true that sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make. The only one for forwards I noticed that I would have been interested in is the $1M for 1 year on Dadonov. I know he didn't have much going in the playoffs and is older and that is the type of player we are getting rid of, but at $1M you don't say no.

Ryan McLeod getting a 4x5 extension from Buffalo. I think that ends up being a really good deal for them.

Was just trying to give Bowman credit. Like when he blew up the D market giving Jones 9.5M.

Of course his team still has to live with the overpay, but at least other ppl all overpaying too!! Maybe not the teams we actually are competing for a cup again though. And of course, now he has to deal with another overpay he inspired with the Jones deal.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847172 is a reply to message #847171 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 16:59

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 15:50

... And of course, now he has to deal with another overpay he inspired with the Jones deal.

Yeah that's kap karma for sure! lol

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847162 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 15:00

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Wow Klingburg signs 1 x 4M to SJ ! yikes

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847163 is a reply to message #847162 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 15:16

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 15:00

Wow Klingburg signs 1 x 4M to SJ ! yikes

Our finals run helped a few guys get very nicely paid. Good for them I guess.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847164 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 15:40

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Heavy hints from Bob that Mangiapane might be coming.. in the $4M range.. he's a good player.. quick.. tenacious.. can score.. scored 35 goals once with Calgary.. regular 15G scorer over his career. I remember one year he went to the World Champs .. best forward on the team.. led them to gold.. it was the first time I realized how good he was after hating him as a Flame all those years..

Bizarre as it sounds.. with the UFA insanity going on right now $4M is looking less expensive than yesterday.

Longer term, in light of what is happening today.. I think every time the cap will be going up in the next few years.. there will be a great sucking sound as the vacuum created in the expanded cap will suck the salaries higher and higher.. it will be hard to plan your cap from year to year if you have a lot of expiring contracts.. the space you think you'll have will just be taken up to retain your UFA and RFA players .. just on a planning basis going forward locking in players for long term will evolve as the play.. maybe the Frederic deal isn't so bad compared to what is happening today and likely years to come with the expected cap limit increases.. just as a cap planning measure

With the lower end players and the contracts they're getting today, have to imagine Henrique has trade value, no retention.. or you just keep him for 3M.. he's slow and no all-star but he's still an NHL center

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847177 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 17:36

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.. hope against hope that Bowman rightly stays away from the UFA nuthouse and makes a trade for a guy with term and reasonable contract.. 🤞🏻

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847178 is a reply to message #847177 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 17:41

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 17:36

.. hope against hope that Bowman rightly stays away from the UFA nuthouse and makes a trade for a guy with term and reasonable contract.. 🤞🏻

Yeah. It is pretty clear multiple good trades is the only path to fixing our roster. Does Bowman have that in him? He better. McDavid is probably holding off his extension waiting to see what Bowman does. Garbage job and McDavid might be only inking a short 3-4 extension at best.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847179 is a reply to message #847178 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 17:50

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 16:41

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 17:36

.. hope against hope that Bowman rightly stays away from the UFA nuthouse and makes a trade for a guy with term and reasonable contract.. 🤞🏻

Yeah. It is pretty clear multiple good trades is the only path to fixing our roster. Does Bowman have that in him? He better. McDavid is probably holding off his extension waiting to see what Bowman does. Garbage job and McDavid might be only inking a short 3-4 extension at best.

The Podz deal was great.. and Emberson is still TBD

Find a team that has some young cheap assets.. hit on them.. speculate.. assuming of course your pro-scouts can be trusted. Not sure what we have left to trade though

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #847180 is a reply to message #847179 ]	Tue, 01 July 2025 17:56

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 17:50

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 16:41

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 July 2025 17:36

.. hope against hope that Bowman rightly stays away from the UFA nuthouse and makes a trade for a guy with term and reasonable contract.. 🤞🏻

Yeah. It is pretty clear multiple good trades is the only path to fixing our roster. Does Bowman have that in him? He better. McDavid is probably holding off his extension waiting to see what Bowman does. Garbage job and McDavid might be only inking a short 3-4 extension at best.

The Podz deal was great.. and Emberson is still TBD

Find a team that has some young cheap assets.. hit on them.. speculate.. assuming of course your pro-scouts can be trusted. Not sure what we have left to trade though

Starting goalie, top 6 winger, perfect Nurse babysitter. Some tough holes to fill still. Same ones as usual.

Prayers we have a GM now that can make a trade and not need to wait 3 years for a lucky cap dump of an Ekholm to drop into our laps as the only good trade he does for an elite contributor.

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