| Oilers sign Frederic - 3.85 AAV x 8 yrs [message #846990] |
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 nullterm
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I'm just gonna say it, again.... Stan Bowman is a moron.
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Skookum Jim
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| nullterm wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 11:34 |
I'm just gonna say it, again.... Stan Bowman is a moron.
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And I'll agree with you again.. 
trickle down effect... now hearing C. Brown is going to test the market.. can't blame him.. why would you take less than market .. for a one year contract.. to stay in Edmonton and help their cap ..if you're handing out 3.85 x 8 to a trade deadline tourist who barely affected the games he played in? Bravo Bowman!
That will go for all the contracts the Oil will be negotiating with guys trying to get them to stay in Edmonton.. like Perry .. why would you settle for a bargain contract to suit the Oilers cap.. when they blow it somewhere else on Frederic.. especially Frederic.. everyone knows he's not worth the contract.. whole league knows it.. all the fans know it.. after the Oilers set that precedent .. by taking a bargain contract as a player you're embarrassing yourself.. and your agent
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Kr55
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This is just straight up laziness. Giving players like this >3 year deals is just dumb and lazy.
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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Skookum Jim
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 12:07 |
This is just straight up laziness. Giving players like this >3 year deals is just dumb and lazy.
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Yeah the 8 yeas is the very worst part of it.. taking him to age 35 ?.. he'll be waiver wire fodder at age 31.. at best.. absolute stupidity
Curious to know what they thought Frederic was worth to take a SHORT term deal .. before the long term discount he offered them.. lol
Some Oilers staff.. GM .. scouts.. making some hopeful evaluations of player talent and ability.. if they think Frederic is worth 4 x 8 .. then how off will their other evaluations be.. how they be trusted to build a perennial Cup winner required to keep McDavid here?
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Skookum Jim
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.. you know... Stan Bowman does look an awful like Pete Chiarelli..
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Needs to re-stated.. EIGHT (8) .... Years
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What would be better for the Oilers long term…
Kane 1 yr @ 5.1 mil or
Frederic 8 yrs @ 3.8 mil? With a NMC
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=98634
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=177792
IMO a longer term usually decreases AAV, you couldn’t sign Frederic closer to $3M AAV? why are we giving NM clauses to players like this and Ardvisson?
Also wasn’t it like 3 months ago that Bowman said there are many 5 players in the league that have a skill set like Kane ie “functional toughness”
Tavares deal makes this look even worse
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Skookum Jim
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The Deal per puckpedia
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PuckPedia@PuckPedia
The #LetGoOilers Frederic 8 year $3.85M
Year 1-3: 2.55M Salary & 1.5M SB
Year 4/5: 2.35M & 1.5M SB
Year 6: 2.15M & $1.5M SB
Year 7/8: 2.65M & 1M SB
Full NMC years 1-4
10 Team Trade List years 5-6
20 Team Trade List years 7-8
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Only saving grace is that according to OilNation.. last four years can be bought out at I believe is $ 0.817M cap hit for last 4 years.. unless I am mis-interpreting the commentary (below) .. ?
https://oilersnation.com/news/eight-year-contract-edmonton-o ilers-trent-frederic-isnt-risky
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And in the case of a worst-case scenario where the Oilers need to explore a buyout option, the team wouldn’t suffer any major penalties.
That, once again, comes by the way of the contract structure.
For the sake of the argument, let’s say that after four years, the Oilers decide to go that route.
Buying out the final four years of Frederic’s deal would save the team anywhere from $1.33-million to $1.83-million over the first four years of the buyout, while the team would take a $817,000 negative cap hit.
Those numbers remain virtually the same no matter what year of the contract is bought out.
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nullterm
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The ink isnt even dry and we’re already looking at buyout scenarios.
If this is the first thing management thought was important, we are so screwed.
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| nullterm wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 17:08 |
The ink isnt even dry and we’re already looking at buyout scenarios.
If this is the first thing management thought was important, we are so screwed.
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We couldn’t match on Holloway last year, or better yet lock him up before the offer sheet?
My god this is a ludicrous contract.
Trent and his agent must be laughing their asses off all the way to the bank. Can’t imagine they really thought they could get anything close to this kind of deal from anyone.
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| Mike wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 13:21 |
Trent and his agent must be laughing their asses off all the way to the bank.
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Fred's and Nurse's agents are both NHLPA all-stars
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Worst contract from the outset in Oilers history?
Big overpay on term and dollar, no movement clause to boot. The trifecta of terrible.
How do you convince anyone else to take a discount?
Clean house or bust
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| smyth260 wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 13:34 |
Worst contract from the outset in Oilers history?
Big overpay on term and dollar, no movement clause to boot. The trifecta of terrible.
How do you convince anyone else to take a discount?
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This.
That's what an in-experienced GM does.. gives out free money for unremarkable performance.. to recent arrivals at that.. one's that demand FULL market value.. and then nickle and dime those who've provided good performance.. and have made a personal sacrifice in the form of a salary cut.. a demonstration of team loyalty.. all towards the team goal of creating a cap efficient Cup contender..
A GM has to reward players relatively equally based on performance.. consistently.. otherwise you lose the motivation for players as a group to take a salary cut in order to stay and help win a Stanley Cup
Good luck talking Perry into re-signing for cheap.
Brown is already gone looking for a long term payday.
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 14:50 |
| smyth260 wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 13:34 |
Worst contract from the outset in Oilers history?
Big overpay on term and dollar, no movement clause to boot. The trifecta of terrible.
How do you convince anyone else to take a discount?
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This.
That's what an in-experienced GM does.. gives out free money for unremarkable performance.. to recent arrivals at that.. one's that demand FULL market value.. and then nickle and dime those who've provided good performance.. and have made a personal sacrifice in the form of a salary cut.. a demonstration of team loyalty.. all towards the team goal of creating a cap efficient Cup contender..
A GM has to reward players relatively equally based on performance.. consistently.. otherwise you lose the motivation for players as a group to take a salary cut in order to stay and help win a Stanley Cup
Good luck talking Perry into re-signing for cheap.
Brown is already gone looking for a long term payday.
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I'm coming around to the view that the Oilers think they got themselves a big discount here. Think of Frederic as a 3year / 5 million dollar players.
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nullterm
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Andrew Ference 2.0
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 13:53 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 14:50 |
| smyth260 wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 13:34 |
Worst contract from the outset in Oilers history?
Big overpay on term and dollar, no movement clause to boot. The trifecta of terrible.
How do you convince anyone else to take a discount?
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This.
That's what an in-experienced GM does.. gives out free money for unremarkable performance.. to recent arrivals at that.. one's that demand FULL market value.. and then nickle and dime those who've provided good performance.. and have made a personal sacrifice in the form of a salary cut.. a demonstration of team loyalty.. all towards the team goal of creating a cap efficient Cup contender..
A GM has to reward players relatively equally based on performance.. consistently.. otherwise you lose the motivation for players as a group to take a salary cut in order to stay and help win a Stanley Cup
Good luck talking Perry into re-signing for cheap.
Brown is already gone looking for a long term payday.
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I'm coming around to the view that the Oilers think they got themselves a big discount here. Think of Frederic as a 3year / 5 million dollar players.
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Maybe to add value to the contract.. when the new CBA kicks in.. perhaps Fred can be the new team EBUG!
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| smyth260 wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 14:34 |
Worst contract from the outset in Oilers history?
Big overpay on term and dollar, no movement clause to boot. The trifecta of terrible.
How do you convince anyone else to take a discount?
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Oh man - there's so many contenders for worst contract. This one has plenty of potential to be among the worst, but things would have to derail immediately for it to get there.
Here's the three that immediately jump to mind:
That last Kassian one was for $3.2MM for four years (greater % of the cap than this) and he was in the midst of a career high 34-point season. The Oilers needed to pay a 2nd and 3rd round pick and swap back three spots in the first round in order to get rid of this contract after two years. Kassian still ended up getting bought out by the Coyotes before the final season. Worth noting - we're still paying for this. The Devils will use our 2nd round pick tomorrow (acquired from Utah for John Marino) to complete this trade.
Mark Fayne at $3.625MM for four years has to be considered too. That contract was signed 11 years ago so it represented a really outsized percentage of the cap compared to Frederic's. He only played two seasons with the team before getting buried in the minors and never played in the NHL again. He had 17 points in 147 games with the team - so almost $1MM per point!
My personal pick for worst ever is Jack Campbell. 5 years, $5MM per season. He only appeared in 41 regular season and four playoff games before getting buried and then bought out. His numbers were of course awful.
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Just incredible how this team keeps handcuffing itself. We hate flexibility.
How much buyout money and picks have been spent in the McDavid era getting out of contracts like Kassian, Sekera, Lucic, Campbell…on and on and on.
Clean house or bust
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| smyth260 wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 14:48 |
Just incredible how this team keeps handcuffing itself. We hate flexibility.
How much buyout money and picks have been spent in the McDavid era getting out of contracts like Kassian, Sekera, Lucic, Campbell…on and on and on.
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How do you with a straight face now as Bouch to give a discount after this contract? I hope Bouch stays, but I wouldn't hold a grudge if he is going to look at offer sheets now, if we are trying to push him to a discount deal. I would totally understand.
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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Absolute insanity.
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.. to put this in perspective.. Bennet just signed in Florida for 8x8
.. is Fred worth half a Bennet?
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 16:24 |
.. to put this in perspective.. Bennet just signed in Florida for 8x8
.. is Fred worth half a Bennet?
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Wow. That burns.
Tavares signed a pretty friendly deal too. While we pay out the rear for a 3rd liner.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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There are a lot of good forwards this year in free agency. If it were me, I would take advantage of the last 2 runs, the opportunity to play with McDavid/Draisaitl, and make my calls to Marner Marchand Ehlers Boeser etc for 1 year deals.
Some guys want to go on a run and play with the best player in the world.
Instead we got an expensive third liner until they are 35.
Clean house or bust
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Kr55
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| smyth260 wrote on Sat, 28 June 2025 05:19 |
There are a lot of good forwards this year in free agency. If it were me, I would take advantage of the last 2 runs, the opportunity to play with McDavid/Draisaitl, and make my calls to Marner Marchand Ehlers Boeser etc for 1 year deals.
Some guys want to go on a run and play with the best player in the world.
Instead we got an expensive third liner until they are 35.
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We did already. Got Frederic down from 6M to 3.85M. Clearly he wants to win like Bennett in Florida and Nurse when he signed 8 years here.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
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8 years with all this no movement?
Why would Bowman care? He will be gone in 2 years anyway.
Is the owner paying attention? Does he care yet?
I would have a lot to think about if I were 97.
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| g2k wrote on Sat, 28 June 2025 08:09 |
Is the owner paying attention? Does he care yet?
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Nope! Oilers brought in record revenue last year. The plan is working and management's style has been validated.
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I know it's a subject we ought not to talk about, but it might be time to fire up a McDavid contract extension speculation thread.
...because I don't think it's going to be an 8 year max length deal.
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 28 June 2025 16:03 |
...because I don't think it's going to be an 8 year max length deal.
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Would you sign up for 8 years?
One of the greatest to ever play the game. Fiercely competitive. Not winning a Cup is simply not an option. And you see what’s been going on around you for 10 years now.
Last year after Leon signed, I was convinced it would be an 8 year deal and that would be that.
Now? I’m thinking it’ll be 4 years at most. And really with how they’ve handled contracts in a cap world, I can’t blame him.
He says all the right things in front of cameras, but he’s a pretty smart cookie. He knows the game of hockey. And you have to think he’s asking himself “what the hell” with a lot of the deals signed over the last few years. And the handling of the goaltending position.
Anyway - will be interesting to see.
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| Mike wrote on Sat, 28 June 2025 12:13 |
| CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 28 June 2025 16:03 |
...because I don't think it's going to be an 8 year max length deal.
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Would you sign up for 8 years?
One of the greatest to ever play the game. Fiercely competitive. Not winning a Cup is simply not an option. And you see what’s been going on around you for 10 years now.
Last year after Leon signed, I was convinced it would be an 8 year deal and that would be that.
Now? I’m thinking it’ll be 4 years at most. And really with how they’ve handled contracts in a cap world, I can’t blame him.
He says all the right things in front of cameras, but he’s a pretty smart cookie. He knows the game of hockey. And you have to think he’s asking himself “what the hell” with a lot of the deals signed over the last few years. And the handling of the goaltending position.
Anyway - will be interesting to see.
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According to Bob Stan and Jackson have been in Ontario talking with McD.. so I'm sure they are running everything they are about to do through McD.. like who to punt.. and who to keep.. McD knows more about value of players than either of them.. and I'm sure he's been kept in the loop previously with transactions.. I get a sense McD is stubborn and will want to create his legacy with the Oilers.. and with Leon.. so fingers crossed.. 8 years ! :)
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