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 Kr55
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That's some pretty good stuff in those changes. Kind of impressed. Hope it's all an easy process to finalize. Nice timing to be able to lock McDavid for 8 years too before it drops to a 7 year limit.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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 Adam
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I'm really interested to see how the new playoff cap mechanisms will work. Closing the LTIR will stop a certain amount of rage from fans about opposing teams loading up, but it may have the unintended consequence of killing off a lot of activity at the trade deadline. If most of the contending teams are close to the cap, then they won't be able to make those moves.
I understand that there will be a mechanism that teams must have in-game lineups that are compliant to the salary cap, but how are players acquired during the year counted? Historically, you've seen teams able to multiply their cap to an extent at the deadline because $1MM in cap space held over the course of the season can get you a ~$4MM player at the deadline. LTIR has been used to super-size that and to give teams currently at the cap the ability to get significantly more, but is the new rule going to close off both of these things? Or is the $4MM player going to only count against the team's cap at $1MM because he only played a quarter of the season with the acquiring team?
If it's both sides of that being closed off, then we're going to see in-season trades really fall off as teams will have to shed significant contracts in order to make any significant deals.
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Kr55
Messages: 12007
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| Adam wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 14:54 |
I'm really interested to see how the new playoff cap mechanisms will work. Closing the LTIR will stop a certain amount of rage from fans about opposing teams loading up, but it may have the unintended consequence of killing off a lot of activity at the trade deadline. If most of the contending teams are close to the cap, then they won't be able to make those moves.
I understand that there will be a mechanism that teams must have in-game lineups that are compliant to the salary cap, but how are players acquired during the year counted? Historically, you've seen teams able to multiply their cap to an extent at the deadline because $1MM in cap space held over the course of the season can get you a ~$4MM player at the deadline. LTIR has been used to super-size that and to give teams currently at the cap the ability to get significantly more, but is the new rule going to close off both of these things? Or is the $4MM player going to only count against the team's cap at $1MM because he only played a quarter of the season with the acquiring team?
If it's both sides of that being closed off, then we're going to see in-season trades really fall off as teams will have to shed significant contracts in order to make any significant deals.
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Probably a good thing if parity is the goal. I'm not sure if losing activity at the trade deadline is that big of a loss for the league. People just watch most of that stuff on twitter these days. Not like there is some big revenue boost to the league or networks because of more deadline activity.
The incentive for players on contenders to have random injuries right around the deadline is so extreme now. It literally wins teams Stanley cups. The way the rules are now, you are basically stupid to not find a way to work out the scam with a big money player on your team and get those extra players at the deadline. Hope they just go by the players full season cap to create the ceiling for playoff rosters.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 5268
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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THE WORSE THING ABOUT THE NEW CBA..
84 Game Schedule..
THE BASIS FOR ALL REGULAR SEASON STATISICAL RECORDS IS CHANGED
.. gives McDavid an extra 40 games in his career for the record books.. :)
[Updated on: Thu, 26 June 2025 17:53]
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Kr55
Messages: 12007
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 17:35 |
THE WORSE THING ABOUT THE NEW CBA..
84 Game Schedule..
THE BASIS FOR ALL REGULAR SEASON STATISICAL RECORDS IS CHANGED
.. gives McDavid an extra 40 games in his career for the record books.. :)
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Couldn’t possibly do a proper 3 point game system though.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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nullterm
Messages: 1185
Registered: July 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC
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| Kr55 wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 17:09 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 17:35 |
THE WORSE THING ABOUT THE NEW CBA..
84 Game Schedule..
THE BASIS FOR ALL REGULAR SEASON STATISICAL RECORDS IS CHANGED
.. gives McDavid an extra 40 games in his career for the record books.. :)
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Couldn’t possibly do a proper 3 point game system though.
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Now a 3 point win system would be an actual real change for the better. Teams would have actual reason for playing hard to finish the game for the full 3 points. Gifting the loser point always seemed pathetic, even when it was us so often begging for a playoff spot in the decade of darkness.
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nullterm
Messages: 1185
Registered: July 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 16:35 |
THE WORSE THING ABOUT THE NEW CBA..
84 Game Schedule..
THE BASIS FOR ALL REGULAR SEASON STATISICAL RECORDS IS CHANGED
.. gives McDavid an extra 40 games in his career for the record books.. :)
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Multiply by 1.024 
No different than Covid and lockout shortened years. 2.4% ain’t much of a difference.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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Adam
Messages: 7496
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 17:35 |
THE WORSE THING ABOUT THE NEW CBA..
84 Game Schedule..
THE BASIS FOR ALL REGULAR SEASON STATISICAL RECORDS IS CHANGED
.. gives McDavid an extra 40 games in his career for the record books.. :)
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Don't worry - Gretzky also had 84 game seasons in 1992-93 and 1993-94.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 5268
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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| Adam wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 20:34 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 17:35 |
THE WORSE THING ABOUT THE NEW CBA..
84 Game Schedule..
THE BASIS FOR ALL REGULAR SEASON STATISICAL RECORDS IS CHANGED
.. gives McDavid an extra 40 games in his career for the record books.. :)
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Don't worry - Gretzky also had 84 game seasons in 1992-93 and 1993-94.
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From a trade?
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!! (Thank you Lord!)
Tic-Tac-Tao!
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Hibernia
Messages: 171
Registered: October 1998
Location: Sin John's
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 04:41 |
| Adam wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 20:34 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 17:35 |
THE WORSE THING ABOUT THE NEW CBA..
84 Game Schedule..
THE BASIS FOR ALL REGULAR SEASON STATISICAL RECORDS IS CHANGED
.. gives McDavid an extra 40 games in his career for the record books.. :)
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Don't worry - Gretzky also had 84 game seasons in 1992-93 and 1993-94.
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From a trade?
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No. The league actually went with an 84 game season for a couple of years. It was 80 games/season for most of the expansion era, then in 92 they went to 84 games, then two years later moved it back to the 82 we've seen since.
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 5268
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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| Hibernia wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 04:57 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 04:41 |
| Adam wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 20:34 |
Don't worry - Gretzky also had 84 game seasons in 1992-93 and 1993-94.
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From a trade?
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No. The league actually went with an 84 game season for a couple of years. It was 80 games/season for most of the expansion era, then in 92 they went to 84 games, then two years later moved it back to the 82 we've seen since.
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Didn't realize that..thanks!
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oilfan94
Messages: 488
Registered: June 2006
Location: USA
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 19:35 |
THE WORSE THING ABOUT THE NEW CBA..
84 Game Schedule..
THE BASIS FOR ALL REGULAR SEASON STATISICAL RECORDS IS CHANGED
.. gives McDavid an extra 40 games in his career for the record books.. :)
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I actually love increasing it to 84 games.
Also, the reason they did 84 games those 2 years in the 90s was to give each team 2 off site games in an effort to grow the game. We have seen some overseas games in recent years, but I wonder if we will see more off sight games in North America for a few years, since the NHL is talking about doing more expansion.
My opinion on that is low though. I think 32 teams is too many already. If you start bumping it up to 36 or even 40 teams eventually where is the incentive to be a fan? You know the likelihood of seeing your team ever win a championship in your lifetime is low to start with and it just keeps going down. That is actually one of the reasons I think I may follow the Oilers less once the McDavid and Draisaitl era is over. If I don't see a championship with those guys, what will it actually take?
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Leia
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Registered: May 2003
Location: England
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| oilfan94 wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 09:45 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 19:35 |
THE WORSE THING ABOUT THE NEW CBA..
84 Game Schedule..
THE BASIS FOR ALL REGULAR SEASON STATISICAL RECORDS IS CHANGED
.. gives McDavid an extra 40 games in his career for the record books.. :)
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I actually love increasing it to 84 games.
Also, the reason they did 84 games those 2 years in the 90s was to give each team 2 off site games in an effort to grow the game. We have seen some overseas games in recent years, but I wonder if we will see more off sight games in North America for a few years, since the NHL is talking about doing more expansion.
My opinion on that is low though. I think 32 teams is too many already. If you start bumping it up to 36 or even 40 teams eventually where is the incentive to be a fan? You know the likelihood of seeing your team ever win a championship in your lifetime is low to start with and it just keeps going down. That is actually one of the reasons I think I may follow the Oilers less once the McDavid and Draisaitl era is over. If I don't see a championship with those guys, what will it actually take?
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If we went to 36, I'd divide the league into 2 and go some what like a traditional league. 2 straight divisions play each other 4 times, 2 at home, 2 on the road for a 68 league season. Top 8 in the top division go to the play-off's winner takes the Stanley Cup. In the second tier top 8 again go to play-offs winner takes the Presidents trophy. 4 semi finalists from the lower league play-off's promoted to the top division and the bottom 4 go down. I know this would never be allowed in the traditional North American sports leagues, but I think it would work.
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oilfan94
Messages: 488
Registered: June 2006
Location: USA
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| Leia wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 13:38 |
| oilfan94 wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 09:45 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 19:35 |
THE WORSE THING ABOUT THE NEW CBA..
84 Game Schedule..
THE BASIS FOR ALL REGULAR SEASON STATISICAL RECORDS IS CHANGED
.. gives McDavid an extra 40 games in his career for the record books.. :)
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I actually love increasing it to 84 games.
Also, the reason they did 84 games those 2 years in the 90s was to give each team 2 off site games in an effort to grow the game. We have seen some overseas games in recent years, but I wonder if we will see more off sight games in North America for a few years, since the NHL is talking about doing more expansion.
My opinion on that is low though. I think 32 teams is too many already. If you start bumping it up to 36 or even 40 teams eventually where is the incentive to be a fan? You know the likelihood of seeing your team ever win a championship in your lifetime is low to start with and it just keeps going down. That is actually one of the reasons I think I may follow the Oilers less once the McDavid and Draisaitl era is over. If I don't see a championship with those guys, what will it actually take?
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If we went to 36, I'd divide the league into 2 and go some what like a traditional league. 2 straight divisions play each other 4 times, 2 at home, 2 on the road for a 68 league season. Top 8 in the top division go to the play-off's winner takes the Stanley Cup. In the second tier top 8 again go to play-offs winner takes the Presidents trophy. 4 semi finalists from the lower league play-off's promoted to the top division and the bottom 4 go down. I know this would never be allowed in the traditional North American sports leagues, but I think it would work.
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I don't hate that idea, but imagine the uproar when Toronto would get relegated.
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Gator21
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Location: Kelowna, BC
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Is it true the new CBA removes the dress code for players?
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Adam
Messages: 7496
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Gator21 wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 12:35 |
Is it true the new CBA removes the dress code for players?
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Yes - no more dress code.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Adam
Messages: 7496
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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No more third party retention on trade deadline deals. Needs to be 75 days between teams retaining salary.
Sounds like the LTIR thing is a bit more complicated than originally mentioned.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Kr55
Messages: 12007
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| Adam wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 18:17 |
No more third party retention on trade deadline deals. Needs to be 75 days between teams retaining salary.
Sounds like the LTIR thing is a bit more complicated than originally mentioned.
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Funky. So can still do LTIR scam but you can only exceed the cap by the previous years average salary (2.8M this year) rather than the full player cap hit, unless the player will be out for the entire playoffs. If they will be out for the year you can use their full cap hit for LTIR.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 5268
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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Also Seravelli saying on Bob's show today that the NHL has officially dropped their E. Kane LTIR "investigation".. what a joke
funny.. after all the LTIR abuse over the years.. the one year Oiler use it.. and the league gets rid of it!
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!! (Thank you Lord!)
Tic-Tac-Tao!
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nullterm
Messages: 1185
Registered: July 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 18:40 |
Also Seravelli saying on Bob's show today that the NHL has officially dropped their E. Kane LTIR "investigation".. what a joke
funny.. after all the LTIR abuse over the years.. the one year Oiler use it.. and the league gets rid of it!
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Did the trade absolve whatever sin the Oilers committed
Or did they realize they had to not investigate with Petroangelo doing one last LTIR ride to sit out til Game 1 of the playoffs. If the league came down on Kane/Oilers, then the Knights can’t have their last time stealing from the cookie jar before the LTIR loophole closes.
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