| Trent Frederic Extension 8x of about 4M AAV [message #846800] |
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 Rocksteady
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Not imminent, but this is way too long and the price is silly.
The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.
Generally Disappointed.
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oilfan94
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This is the second most annoying headline about the Oilers I have seen this week.
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Adam
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Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 16:31 |
Not imminent, but this is way too long and the price is silly.
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Dear McDavid & Bouchard - we'd really like you to leave a little money on the table in our next deal so that we have enough to surround you with other players.
PS. We're paying Frederic a ridiculous sum - tying him for 6th among forwards. No, we didn't have this discount to be competitive discussion with him, why do you ask?
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Kr55
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Ummm. Yeah, Oilers gonna make me check out on their chances next year early if this happens.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Adam
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Ryan Donato just signed for four years $4MM per with the Blackhawks. He's two years older, and just scored 62 points and even that's probably a huge mistake given that his track record says he's a 30-point player other than one huge season.
Still, it's HALF the length of this reputed contract and he's at least got a 60 point season under his belt - way more than Frederic.
I am hoping and praying that the team isn't this stupid - but man...it rings pretty true to form.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Mike
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Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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What the hell for? This is stupidity if true. He was up there with the most invisible players this entire run. What about what they saw says “ooh - we need 8 years of THAT!” At $4m per no less
That would be a Nurse level blunder IMO
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NZ Oiler Fan
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Supposedly has a limited NMC with it too. Sigh...
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Leia
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It'a been a while, but this story is just another crrazy Oiler story to come straight after a Stanley Cup final. I mean rumours of 99 leaving, Pronger asking to leave are probably the ones we flipped on the most and they turned out to be true.
Fredic for that term and money, if it's true it possibly joins the other two to pad out a top 3 that you wouldn't think could be true but turned out to be so.
It would certainly match the stupidity of the Lucic contract, and I thought we'd learned from that.
Take me home, country road
to the place where I belong
to Alberta, to see the Oilers
take me home, country road
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Rocksteady
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Its real now.
He'll be bought out in 3 years. Book it.
The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.
Generally Disappointed.
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Mike
Messages: 1868
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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This has to be up there with the all time unforced errors.
Almost $4M per on a 2 or 3 year deal I would have felt was an overpay. For 8 years, I have no idea what the word is.
It's not like this guy has ever been a prolific producer at any level. He had a PPG season in the Big 10 (33 pts in 30GP), followed by just shy of 1 PPG the following year (32 pts in 36GP). He barely reached .5PPG in the AHL, and his best NHL season was 2 season ago when he put up 18 goals and 40 points in 82GP.
Of note is that those points for the most part were at even strength. So 38 ES points is actually not that bad. The only hope right now is that what we saw in the playoffs is but a shell of the player he is/can be. Because nothing about what I saw of him as an Oilers makes any kind of sense for either the cap hit or the term.
[Updated on: Fri, 27 June 2025 11:29]
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mightyreasoner
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Location: Edmonton
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| Mike wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 11:27 |
This has to be up there with the all time unforced errors.
Almost $4M per on a 2 or 3 year deal I would have felt was an overpay. For 8 years, I have no idea what the word is.
It's not like this guy has ever been a prolific producer at any level. He had a PPG season in the Big 10 (33 pts in 30GP), followed by just shy of 1 PPG the following year (32 pts in 36GP). He barely reached .5PPG in the AHL, and his best NHL season was 2 season ago when he put up 18 goals and 40 points in 82GP.
Of note is that those points for the most part were at even strength. So 38 ES points is actually not that bad. The only hope right now is that what we saw in the playoffs is but a shell of the player he is/can be. Because nothing about what I saw of him as an Oilers makes any kind of sense for either the cap hit or the term.
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There is a chance that he does put up career numbers, particularly if they have he slotted to be Draisaitl's winger. But guys – aim higher if you are paying this much money and finding a winger for Leon.
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Adam
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Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Mike wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 11:27 |
This has to be up there with the all time unforced errors.
Almost $4M per on a 2 or 3 year deal I would have felt was an overpay. For 8 years, I have no idea what the word is.
It's not like this guy has ever been a prolific producer at any level. He had a PPG season in the Big 10 (33 pts in 30GP), followed by just shy of 1 PPG the following year (32 pts in 36GP). He barely reached .5PPG in the AHL, and his best NHL season was 2 season ago when he put up 18 goals and 40 points in 82GP.
Of note is that those points for the most part were at even strength. So 38 ES points is actually not that bad. The only hope right now is that what we saw in the playoffs is but a shell of the player he is/can be. Because nothing about what I saw of him as an Oilers makes any kind of sense for either the cap hit or the term.
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The craziest part of it all is that there's buy-out protection and a no-move clause too...
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The #LetGoOilers Frederic 8 year $3.85M
Year 1-3: 2.55M Salary & 1.5M SB
Year 4/5: 2.35M & 1.5M SB
Year 6: 2.15M & $1.5M SB
Year 7/8: 2.65M & 1M SB
Full NMC years 1-4
10 Team Trade List years 5-6
20 Team Trade List years 7-8
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"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Kr55
Messages: 11989
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Location: Edmonton
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| Adam wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 12:17 |
| Mike wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 11:27 |
This has to be up there with the all time unforced errors.
Almost $4M per on a 2 or 3 year deal I would have felt was an overpay. For 8 years, I have no idea what the word is.
It's not like this guy has ever been a prolific producer at any level. He had a PPG season in the Big 10 (33 pts in 30GP), followed by just shy of 1 PPG the following year (32 pts in 36GP). He barely reached .5PPG in the AHL, and his best NHL season was 2 season ago when he put up 18 goals and 40 points in 82GP.
Of note is that those points for the most part were at even strength. So 38 ES points is actually not that bad. The only hope right now is that what we saw in the playoffs is but a shell of the player he is/can be. Because nothing about what I saw of him as an Oilers makes any kind of sense for either the cap hit or the term.
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The craziest part of it all is that there's buy-out protection and a no-move clause too...
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PuckPedia
@PuckPedia
The #LetGoOilers Frederic 8 year $3.85M
Year 1-3: 2.55M Salary & 1.5M SB
Year 4/5: 2.35M & 1.5M SB
Year 6: 2.15M & $1.5M SB
Year 7/8: 2.65M & 1M SB
Full NMC years 1-4
10 Team Trade List years 5-6
20 Team Trade List years 7-8
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Wow, we sure Ken Holland isn't still our GM?
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Mike
Messages: 1868
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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| Adam wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 15:17 |
| Mike wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 11:27 |
This has to be up there with the all time unforced errors.
Almost $4M per on a 2 or 3 year deal I would have felt was an overpay. For 8 years, I have no idea what the word is.
It's not like this guy has ever been a prolific producer at any level. He had a PPG season in the Big 10 (33 pts in 30GP), followed by just shy of 1 PPG the following year (32 pts in 36GP). He barely reached .5PPG in the AHL, and his best NHL season was 2 season ago when he put up 18 goals and 40 points in 82GP.
Of note is that those points for the most part were at even strength. So 38 ES points is actually not that bad. The only hope right now is that what we saw in the playoffs is but a shell of the player he is/can be. Because nothing about what I saw of him as an Oilers makes any kind of sense for either the cap hit or the term.
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The craziest part of it all is that there's buy-out protection and a no-move clause too...
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PuckPedia
@PuckPedia
The #LetGoOilers Frederic 8 year $3.85M
Year 1-3: 2.55M Salary & 1.5M SB
Year 4/5: 2.35M & 1.5M SB
Year 6: 2.15M & $1.5M SB
Year 7/8: 2.65M & 1M SB
Full NMC years 1-4
10 Team Trade List years 5-6
20 Team Trade List years 7-8
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Again with the bonuses and NMC? Who the hell is our negotiator? Were we scared of someone swooping in and offering $5m per? What a crazy contract.
Much like the Duncan Keith trade, regardless how Frederic does, this reeks of unforced error in so many fronts.
If this is what they settled on, what the hell did his agent come in at for a first offer? Do they know you can counter? I’m at a loss here.
I will cheer him on and hope he blows away all expectations. But no way anyone else was giving him anything close to this. Insane.
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Adam
Messages: 7488
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Mike wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 13:22 |
| Adam wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 15:17 |
| Mike wrote on Fri, 27 June 2025 11:27 |
This has to be up there with the all time unforced errors.
Almost $4M per on a 2 or 3 year deal I would have felt was an overpay. For 8 years, I have no idea what the word is.
It's not like this guy has ever been a prolific producer at any level. He had a PPG season in the Big 10 (33 pts in 30GP), followed by just shy of 1 PPG the following year (32 pts in 36GP). He barely reached .5PPG in the AHL, and his best NHL season was 2 season ago when he put up 18 goals and 40 points in 82GP.
Of note is that those points for the most part were at even strength. So 38 ES points is actually not that bad. The only hope right now is that what we saw in the playoffs is but a shell of the player he is/can be. Because nothing about what I saw of him as an Oilers makes any kind of sense for either the cap hit or the term.
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The craziest part of it all is that there's buy-out protection and a no-move clause too...
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PuckPedia
@PuckPedia
The #LetGoOilers Frederic 8 year $3.85M
Year 1-3: 2.55M Salary & 1.5M SB
Year 4/5: 2.35M & 1.5M SB
Year 6: 2.15M & $1.5M SB
Year 7/8: 2.65M & 1M SB
Full NMC years 1-4
10 Team Trade List years 5-6
20 Team Trade List years 7-8
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Again with the bonuses and NMC? Who the hell is our negotiator? Were we scared of someone swooping in and offering $5m per? What a crazy contract.
Much like the Duncan Keith trade, regardless how Frederic does, this reeks of unforced error in so many fronts.
If this is what they settled on, what the hell did his agent come in at for a first offer? Do they know you can counter? I’m at a loss here.
I will cheer him on and hope he blows away all expectations. But no way anyone else was giving him anything close to this. Insane.
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Gotta assume that they started with max dollars. Bowman actually saved us tens of millions over the life of the deal by talking it down to this.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Rocksteady
Messages: 574
Registered: March 2007
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oh lawd this is a bad deal.
The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.
Generally Disappointed.
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