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2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846859]	Mon, 23 June 2025 14:36

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I'm dismayed about the rumoured Frederik signing for $(3.5-4.0)M x 8
What the team missed was forward speed and mobility.. didn't see it at all with Frederik.. his forecheck was not a threat.. some of the problem "may" have been remnants from his ankle injury .. but are you going to take an 8 year risk it wasn't?

And he didn't look that over powering in the intimidation front either.. Kane intimidates people.. Fred doesn't. You need a credible threat of harm.. not a Zack Stortini..

If they move Kane's $5M to do it.. you save $1M and you're less imposing, weaker forecheck.. IMHO

Whatever happens they have to lock McDavid up first.. screw everyone else.. then Bouchard.. then see what ya got left.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846860 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Mon, 23 June 2025 14:50

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 23 June 2025 14:36

I'm dismayed about the rumoured Frederik signing for $(3.5-4.0)M x 8
What the team missed was forward speed and mobility.. didn't see it at all with Frederik.. his forecheck was not a threat.. some of the problem "may" have been remnants from his ankle injury .. but are you going to take an 8 year risk it wasn't?

And he didn't look that over powering in the intimidation front either.. Kane intimidates people.. Fred doesn't. You need a credible threat of harm.. not a Zack Stortini..

If they move Kane's $5M to do it.. you save $1M and you're less imposing, weaker forecheck.. IMHO

Whatever happens they have to lock McDavid up first.. screw everyone else.. then Bouchard.. then see what ya got left.

Capwages already has it up at 3.85 through the 2033 season. So hooray

You're 100% correct. The Oilers need to work big to small. McDavid first. Bouchard second. Depth forwards, when you can get to them or when they agree to a discounted price.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846864 is a reply to message #846860 ]	Mon, 23 June 2025 16:15

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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 23 June 2025 14:50

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 23 June 2025 14:36

I'm dismayed about the rumoured Frederik signing for $(3.5-4.0)M x 8
What the team missed was forward speed and mobility.. didn't see it at all with Frederik.. his forecheck was not a threat.. some of the problem "may" have been remnants from his ankle injury .. but are you going to take an 8 year risk it wasn't?

And he didn't look that over powering in the intimidation front either.. Kane intimidates people.. Fred doesn't. You need a credible threat of harm.. not a Zack Stortini..

If they move Kane's $5M to do it.. you save $1M and you're less imposing, weaker forecheck.. IMHO

Whatever happens they have to lock McDavid up first.. screw everyone else.. then Bouchard.. then see what ya got left.

Capwages already has it up at 3.85 through the 2033 season. So hooray

You're 100% correct. The Oilers need to work big to small. McDavid first. Bouchard second. Depth forwards, when you can get to them or when they agree to a discounted price.

capwages are a bunch of a-holes. That's just disgusting to look at lol.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846865 is a reply to message #846864 ]	Mon, 23 June 2025 17:42

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 23 June 2025 16:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 23 June 2025 14:50

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 23 June 2025 14:36

I'm dismayed about the rumoured Frederik signing for $(3.5-4.0)M x 8
What the team missed was forward speed and mobility.. didn't see it at all with Frederik.. his forecheck was not a threat.. some of the problem "may" have been remnants from his ankle injury .. but are you going to take an 8 year risk it wasn't?

And he didn't look that over powering in the intimidation front either.. Kane intimidates people.. Fred doesn't. You need a credible threat of harm.. not a Zack Stortini..

If they move Kane's $5M to do it.. you save $1M and you're less imposing, weaker forecheck.. IMHO

Whatever happens they have to lock McDavid up first.. screw everyone else.. then Bouchard.. then see what ya got left.

Capwages already has it up at 3.85 through the 2033 season. So hooray

You're 100% correct. The Oilers need to work big to small. McDavid first. Bouchard second. Depth forwards, when you can get to them or when they agree to a discounted price.

capwages are a bunch of a-holes. That's just disgusting to look at lol.

Then don't check out their 2026-27 projects that haver McDavid at 15M, Bouchard at 10, and the Oilers a full Nurse over the cap.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846866 is a reply to message #846865 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 00:06

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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 23 June 2025 16:42

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 23 June 2025 16:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 23 June 2025 14:50

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 23 June 2025 14:36

I'm dismayed about the rumoured Frederik signing for $(3.5-4.0)M x 8
What the team missed was forward speed and mobility.. didn't see it at all with Frederik.. his forecheck was not a threat.. some of the problem "may" have been remnants from his ankle injury .. but are you going to take an 8 year risk it wasn't?

And he didn't look that over powering in the intimidation front either.. Kane intimidates people.. Fred doesn't. You need a credible threat of harm.. not a Zack Stortini..

If they move Kane's $5M to do it.. you save $1M and you're less imposing, weaker forecheck.. IMHO

Whatever happens they have to lock McDavid up first.. screw everyone else.. then Bouchard.. then see what ya got left.

Capwages already has it up at 3.85 through the 2033 season. So hooray

You're 100% correct. The Oilers need to work big to small. McDavid first. Bouchard second. Depth forwards, when you can get to them or when they agree to a discounted price.

capwages are a bunch of a-holes. That's just disgusting to look at lol.

Then don't check out their 2026-27 projects that haver McDavid at 15M, Bouchard at 10, and the Oilers a full Nurse over the cap.

Man.. whoever made that analysis and decision on player projection .. and corresponding contract.. I sure hope has left the Oilers..

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846867 is a reply to message #846866 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 07:01

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I really don't understand the joke. Frederic for almost $4M for 8 YEARS?!?!?

What am I missing? He looked like...well not much with the Oilers. Honestly I don't think we would have been worse off if he wasn't on the ice. I don't think he cost us much, but he also didn't contribute much.

He's never been much of a scorer at any level that I can see. Not even .5PPG in the AHL. A high of 40 points a couple of years ago. Not a ton of PIM. Does he normally play hard?

I really don't get either the term nor the amount. And why it needed to be done before anything else. Insanity. Hope I'm proven completely wrong on this.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846868 is a reply to message #846867 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 10:22

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Mike wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 07:01

I really don't understand the joke. Frederic for almost $4M for 8 YEARS?!?!?

What am I missing? He looked like...well not much with the Oilers. Honestly I don't think we would have been worse off if he wasn't on the ice. I don't think he cost us much, but he also didn't contribute much.

He's never been much of a scorer at any level that I can see. Not even .5PPG in the AHL. A high of 40 points a couple of years ago. Not a ton of PIM. Does he normally play hard?

I really don't get either the term nor the amount. And why it needed to be done before anything else. Insanity. Hope I'm proven completely wrong on this.

Double the cost and four times the length it should have been. Honestly insanity.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846869 is a reply to message #846868 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 10:39

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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 10:22

Mike wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 07:01

I really don't understand the joke. Frederic for almost $4M for 8 YEARS?!?!?

What am I missing? He looked like...well not much with the Oilers. Honestly I don't think we would have been worse off if he wasn't on the ice. I don't think he cost us much, but he also didn't contribute much.

He's never been much of a scorer at any level that I can see. Not even .5PPG in the AHL. A high of 40 points a couple of years ago. Not a ton of PIM. Does he normally play hard?

I really don't get either the term nor the amount. And why it needed to be done before anything else. Insanity. Hope I'm proven completely wrong on this.

Double the cost and four times the length it should have been. Honestly insanity.

Yeah, where is the discount for 8 years? You usually give term to drop the AAV. But we are paying way over market value on both.

This is just straight up sabotage if it really happens. Like Nurse's deal, Campbell and Lucic before.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846872 is a reply to message #846869 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 12:44

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 09:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 10:22

Mike wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 07:01

I really don't understand the joke. Frederic for almost $4M for 8 YEARS?!?!?

What am I missing? He looked like...well not much with the Oilers. Honestly I don't think we would have been worse off if he wasn't on the ice. I don't think he cost us much, but he also didn't contribute much.

He's never been much of a scorer at any level that I can see. Not even .5PPG in the AHL. A high of 40 points a couple of years ago. Not a ton of PIM. Does he normally play hard?

I really don't get either the term nor the amount. And why it needed to be done before anything else. Insanity. Hope I'm proven completely wrong on this.

Double the cost and four times the length it should have been. Honestly insanity.

Yeah, where is the discount for 8 years? You usually give term to drop the AAV. But we are paying way over market value on both.

This is just straight up sabotage if it really happens. Like Nurse's deal, Campbell and Lucic before.

You could argue a 1st/2nd pair Dmen or a starting goalie are rare commodities and worth taking a long term risk on.

Frederic... there's NO plausible argument for a 20-30point bottom six forward to get anything over three years.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846870 is a reply to message #846867 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 12:42

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Mike wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 06:01

I really don't understand the joke. Frederic for almost $4M for 8 YEARS?!?!?

What am I missing? He looked like...well not much with the Oilers. Honestly I don't think we would have been worse off if he wasn't on the ice. I don't think he cost us much, but he also didn't contribute much.

He's never been much of a scorer at any level that I can see. Not even .5PPG in the AHL. A high of 40 points a couple of years ago. Not a ton of PIM. Does he normally play hard?

I really don't get either the term nor the amount. And why it needed to be done before anything else. Insanity. Hope I'm proven completely wrong on this.

Agree.

They'd be buying out that contract in 4 years.. tops.. maybe sooner.

He's a guy you give tops 2.5 x 8 .. or 3.2 x3 .. there is also the factor he would be signing on with a team that's an annual contender each year .. winning more games than losing.. that's got value as a player.. Oilers should be leveraging that aspect with him.. and every other potential signee.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846861 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Mon, 23 June 2025 15:25

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 23 June 2025 13:36

I'm dismayed about the rumoured Frederik signing for $(3.5-4.0)M x 8
What the team missed was forward speed and mobility.. didn't see it at all with Frederik.. his forecheck was not a threat.. some of the problem "may" have been remnants from his ankle injury .. but are you going to take an 8 year risk it wasn't?

And he didn't look that over powering in the intimidation front either.. Kane intimidates people.. Fred doesn't. You need a credible threat of harm.. not a Zack Stortini..

If they move Kane's $5M to do it.. you save $1M and you're less imposing, weaker forecheck.. IMHO

Whatever happens they have to lock McDavid up first.. screw everyone else.. then Bouchard.. then see what ya got left.

Yeah I don’t get the Frederic thing. I do not give a guy an EIGHT YEAR contract until he’s shown me what he is for atleast a year. A couple months gives you a year or two. He’s shown nothing in an Oilers uniform so far.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846862 is a reply to message #846861 ]	Mon, 23 June 2025 15:51

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Not to mention, Kane is a proven goal scorer too. Frederic's not a young prospect with upside potential. He's 27. he is what he is... and isn't what he isn't.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846863 is a reply to message #846862 ]	Mon, 23 June 2025 16:07

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 23 June 2025 14:51

Not to mention, Kane is a proven goal scorer too. Frederic's not a young prospect with upside potential. He's 27. he is what he is... and isn't what he isn't.

that's too true.. Fred is close to what he will be.

.. you 're right Kane is also a proven goal scorer.. Fred is not.

.. kinda applies to Nurse as well.. Oilers applied the same hope factor to Nurse's contract .. thought he'd progress to fit the contract.. and here we are.. $9.25M.. NMC.. x 8 .. and still routine rookie mistakes

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846879 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 14:46

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I'm hoping there is enough pushback / outrage that our insecure management pull the Frederic deal. It's been so leaky around the deal, there is a glimmer that they could have been floating the idea before actually signing the contract.

...on the bright side we won't have to argue who's our next buy out.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846881 is a reply to message #846879 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 14:51

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Rutuu wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 13:46

I'm hoping there is enough pushback / outrage that our insecure management pull the Frederic deal. It's been so leaky around the deal, there is a glimmer that they could have been floating the idea before actually signing the contract.

...on the bright side we won't have to argue who's our next buy out.

To put it in perspective.. C. Brown will likely sign for under $2M.. short term.. and Fred performance wise has not been much better.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846887 is a reply to message #846879 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 17:09

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Rutuu wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 14:46

I'm hoping there is enough pushback / outrage that our insecure management pull the Frederic deal. It's been so leaky around the deal, there is a glimmer that they could have been floating the idea before actually signing the contract.

...on the bright side we won't have to argue who's our next buy out.

According to CapWages, the deal was signed 6 days ago.

Assuming that's the case, and I have no reason to doubt it, then there's no taking it back. Not until the buyout after year four at least.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846894 is a reply to message #846887 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 20:42

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Adam wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 17:09

Rutuu wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 14:46

I'm hoping there is enough pushback / outrage that our insecure management pull the Frederic deal. It's been so leaky around the deal, there is a glimmer that they could have been floating the idea before actually signing the contract.

...on the bright side we won't have to argue who's our next buy out.

According to CapWages, the deal was signed 6 days ago.

Assuming that's the case, and I have no reason to doubt it, then there's no taking it back. Not until the buyout after year four at least.

Man...Bowman's lake property must eclipse Hollands by a fair measure then. That's fast work.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846896 is a reply to message #846894 ]	Wed, 25 June 2025 06:47

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What deals we sign, can we please do away with all the NMC deals? If we're talking cornerstones like McDavid and Draisaitl, sure - go ahead. Here's a NMC. As for the others, it should only be done if we are getting some massive concessions on cap hit, which we really don't seem to be getting. It really handcuffs the team's ability to jump on opportunities that might come up.

Every single forward still under contract that we signed has one. The only forward without one is Podkolzin who we didn't sign. Not sure about Frederic (man what a dumb deal if true)

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846897 is a reply to message #846896 ]	Wed, 25 June 2025 08:33

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Mike wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 06:47

What deals we sign, can we please do away with all the NMC deals? If we're talking cornerstones like McDavid and Draisaitl, sure - go ahead. Here's a NMC. As for the others, it should only be done if we are getting some massive concessions on cap hit, which we really don't seem to be getting. It really handcuffs the team's ability to jump on opportunities that might come up.

Every single forward still under contract that we signed has one. The only forward without one is Podkolzin who we didn't sign. Not sure about Frederic (man what a dumb deal if true)

They're going to make Frederic buyout proof.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846898 is a reply to message #846897 ]	Wed, 25 June 2025 08:47

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 11:33

Mike wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 06:47

What deals we sign, can we please do away with all the NMC deals? If we're talking cornerstones like McDavid and Draisaitl, sure - go ahead. Here's a NMC. As for the others, it should only be done if we are getting some massive concessions on cap hit, which we really don't seem to be getting. It really handcuffs the team's ability to jump on opportunities that might come up.

Every single forward still under contract that we signed has one. The only forward without one is Podkolzin who we didn't sign. Not sure about Frederic (man what a dumb deal if true)

They're going to make Frederic buyout proof.

What the hell did Nurse's agent have on Holland to get him to agree to those terms and structure? Dear god. As if the $9.25 and full NMC weren't enough, they tack on the ridiculous bonus structure making it buyout proof. A compliance buyout window would be nice right about now.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846880 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 14:49

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Tracy (Bob) indicating Skinner is open to be moved..

Not sure I would.. he's at his lowest value.. he's young for a goal tender.. rumour is Schwartz's contract is up and may not return.. he's got raw value.. could rebound.. goalies have a habit of that.. like Binnington.. and what do you replace him with?.. that you can fit under the cap? .. and not waste assets trading for what is usually a voodoo position? Maybe keep Skinner.. try Jake Allen (UFA) and roll.. ?

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846891 is a reply to message #846880 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 18:29

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 13:49

Tracy (Bob) indicating Skinner is open to be moved..

Not sure I would.. he's at his lowest value.. he's young for a goal tender.. rumour is Schwartz's contract is up and may not return.. he's got raw value.. could rebound.. goalies have a habit of that.. like Binnington.. and what do you replace him with?.. that you can fit under the cap? .. and not waste assets trading for what is usually a voodoo position? Maybe keep Skinner.. try Jake Allen (UFA) and roll.. ?

If Schwartz is bonefide zero chance returning GONE… and we get a proven NHL level goalie coach come in… I could see a small argument to keeping Skinner. Assuming the goalie coach sits down for a week or two, looks at his game, and feels confident he can plug the holes.

… but if we land a bonefide AAA starter, I do it.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846904 is a reply to message #846880 ]	Wed, 25 June 2025 09:40

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 14:49

Tracy (Bob) indicating Skinner is open to be moved..

Not sure I would.. he's at his lowest value.. he's young for a goal tender.. rumour is Schwartz's contract is up and may not return.. he's got raw value.. could rebound.. goalies have a habit of that.. like Binnington.. and what do you replace him with?.. that you can fit under the cap? .. and not waste assets trading for what is usually a voodoo position? Maybe keep Skinner.. try Jake Allen (UFA) and roll.. ?

Skinner works fine if he is part a tandem. They need another guy that has a more proven track record and is more reliable than Pickard.

Pickard overachieved, but unless he is a backup behind a really strong #1, than you are probably relying upon him too heavily. And I'd argue, Skinner isn't a strong #1.

Would love to see Demko or Gibson brought in. Both have some injury concerns, but either a Demko/Skinner or Gibson/Skinner tandem should be an upgrade on Skinner/Pickard.

Would be nice to have a legit goaltending prospect within the system at some point here too.

(Skinner also just had a baby this year, which I'm sort of convinced derails a goaltenders game. We saw it with Talbot and Dubnyk, where they had a kid, struggled, were traded, and then became the goalies we need on other teams).

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846908 is a reply to message #846904 ]	Wed, 25 June 2025 09:46

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 12:40

Would be nice to have a legit goaltending prospect within the system at some point here too.

Sammy Jonsson might have potential. .922 & 1.88 GAA this season in Sweden

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846957 is a reply to message #846908 ]	Thu, 26 June 2025 12:33

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 08:46

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 12:40

Would be nice to have a legit goaltending prospect within the system at some point here too.

Sammy Jonsson might have potential. .922 & 1.88 GAA this season in Sweden

That's one prospect I have some solid hope for..

but I hope they wait until Dustin has moved on before bringing him over :)

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846959 is a reply to message #846957 ]	Thu, 26 June 2025 14:25

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 12:33

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 08:46

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 12:40

Would be nice to have a legit goaltending prospect within the system at some point here too.

Sammy Jonsson might have potential. .922 & 1.88 GAA this season in Sweden

That's one prospect I have some solid hope for..

but I hope they wait until Dustin has moved on before bringing him over :)

I believe the plan is for him to be in North America this year. I'm curious to see if that impacts whether Rodrigue gets qualified.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846961 is a reply to message #846959 ]	Thu, 26 June 2025 14:42

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Adam wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 13:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 12:33

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 08:46

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 12:40

Would be nice to have a legit goaltending prospect within the system at some point here too.

Sammy Jonsson might have potential. .922 & 1.88 GAA this season in Sweden

That's one prospect I have some solid hope for..

but I hope they wait until Dustin has moved on before bringing him over :)

I believe the plan is for him to be in North America this year. I'm curious to see if that impacts whether Rodrigue gets qualified.

Rodrigue is done IMHO.. never seemed to progress.. won't get qualified.. no more room in the net
his dad was the goalie coach.. since moved on..

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846965 is a reply to message #846961 ]	Thu, 26 June 2025 15:12

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 14:42

Adam wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 13:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 12:33

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 08:46

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 12:40

Would be nice to have a legit goaltending prospect within the system at some point here too.

Sammy Jonsson might have potential. .922 & 1.88 GAA this season in Sweden

That's one prospect I have some solid hope for..

but I hope they wait until Dustin has moved on before bringing him over :)

I believe the plan is for him to be in North America this year. I'm curious to see if that impacts whether Rodrigue gets qualified.

Rodrigue is done IMHO.. never seemed to progress.. won't get qualified.. no more room in the net
his dad was the goalie coach.. since moved on..

I guess it depends. We have five goalies under contract: Skinner, Pickard, Ungar, Day & Jonsson, and we have two unsigned: Delia & Rodrigue. There's probably room for 6 goalies, with 2 each in the NHL, AHL and ECHL.

Delia's 31 and was okay (12-11-5, .906, 2.76GAA) last year. There's no point re-signing him. He's just a placeholder, nothing more.

Jonsson will be making his first North American starts. With a little buzz around him, I expect the Oilers are going to want to have him make at least a few starts in the AHL. It's the Oilers and a goalie though so who knows really.

Ungar was in the ECHL last year (19-12-4, .903, 2.74GAA). Pedestrian numbers. He's the oldest of the cohort, but will those numbers get him moved up?

Day is the youngest of the group and went 26-25-5 in the OHL with .894 and 3.07GAA. I expect he is in the ECHL.

If you're acquiring a goalie and believe you can send Pickard the other way, then you need at least one more guy, so why not keep Rodrigue who you've drafted and developed and hope last year was just a down season? His numbers prior to last year were much better than what he delivered in 2024-25.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846912 is a reply to message #846880 ]	Wed, 25 June 2025 10:54

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 18:19

Tracy (Bob) indicating Skinner is open to be moved..

Not sure I would.. he's at his lowest value.. he's young for a goal tender.. rumour is Schwartz's contract is up and may not return.. he's got raw value.. could rebound.. goalies have a habit of that.. like Binnington.. and what do you replace him with?.. that you can fit under the cap? .. and not waste assets trading for what is usually a voodoo position? Maybe keep Skinner.. try Jake Allen (UFA) and roll.. ?

While the normal numbers we associate with goalies have been underwhelming, I believe a part of those numbers are the team in front of them*. There's only two ways I'm trading Skinner. 1) He asks for a trade (and who could blame him, if he did, with the scrutiny he's been under) or 2) If a perennial Vezina contender is a part of the return.

*Combined Skinner and Pickard were -2 in Goals Saved Above Expected throughout the playoffs. I don't think those two goals would've been enough to dethrone the Cats, even if you cherry picked two very specific saves. The team in front needs to figure out a way to give up less and create more against a team like the Panthers. Whatever they were doing was working against the other top teams in the league, but it didn't work vs the Panthers. Yet, as Connor has pointed out they kept trying the same things over an over all series.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846927 is a reply to message #846912 ]	Wed, 25 June 2025 13:05

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Hibernia wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 10:54

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 18:19

Tracy (Bob) indicating Skinner is open to be moved..

Not sure I would.. he's at his lowest value.. he's young for a goal tender.. rumour is Schwartz's contract is up and may not return.. he's got raw value.. could rebound.. goalies have a habit of that.. like Binnington.. and what do you replace him with?.. that you can fit under the cap? .. and not waste assets trading for what is usually a voodoo position? Maybe keep Skinner.. try Jake Allen (UFA) and roll.. ?

While the normal numbers we associate with goalies have been underwhelming, I believe a part of those numbers are the team in front of them*. There's only two ways I'm trading Skinner. 1) He asks for a trade (and who could blame him, if he did, with the scrutiny he's been under) or 2) If a perennial Vezina contender is a part of the return.

*Combined Skinner and Pickard were -2 in Goals Saved Above Expected throughout the playoffs. I don't think those two goals would've been enough to dethrone the Cats, even if you cherry picked two very specific saves. The team in front needs to figure out a way to give up less and create more against a team like the Panthers. Whatever they were doing was working against the other top teams in the league, but it didn't work vs the Panthers. Yet, as Connor has pointed out they kept trying the same things over an over all series.

What was Bobrovsky's Goals Saved Above Expected?

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846931 is a reply to message #846927 ]	Wed, 25 June 2025 13:30

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Adam wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 15:05

Hibernia wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 10:54

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 18:19

Tracy (Bob) indicating Skinner is open to be moved..

Not sure I would.. he's at his lowest value.. he's young for a goal tender.. rumour is Schwartz's contract is up and may not return.. he's got raw value.. could rebound.. goalies have a habit of that.. like Binnington.. and what do you replace him with?.. that you can fit under the cap? .. and not waste assets trading for what is usually a voodoo position? Maybe keep Skinner.. try Jake Allen (UFA) and roll.. ?

While the normal numbers we associate with goalies have been underwhelming, I believe a part of those numbers are the team in front of them*. There's only two ways I'm trading Skinner. 1) He asks for a trade (and who could blame him, if he did, with the scrutiny he's been under) or 2) If a perennial Vezina contender is a part of the return.

*Combined Skinner and Pickard were -2 in Goals Saved Above Expected throughout the playoffs. I don't think those two goals would've been enough to dethrone the Cats, even if you cherry picked two very specific saves. The team in front needs to figure out a way to give up less and create more against a team like the Panthers. Whatever they were doing was working against the other top teams in the league, but it didn't work vs the Panthers. Yet, as Connor has pointed out they kept trying the same things over an over all series.

What was Bobrovsky's Goals Saved Above Expected?

According to to hockey-reference his was 8.9. I don't know how much of that was specifically the Stanley Cup Final, but that was his career high. It was 7 when he carried the Panthers to the Finals 2 years ago and 5 with the Blue Jackets the year they swept Tampa Bay. Outside those years his playoffs stats aren't overly impressive. Based on his play alone we had a much better chance at winning in 2024 than this year, and if not for going down 3-0 I feel like we would have.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846953 is a reply to message #846927 ]	Thu, 26 June 2025 10:08

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Adam wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 16:35

What was Bobrovsky's Goals Saved Above Expected?

What does that have to do with if we keep Skinner or not? I never said Skinner (and/or Pickard) weren't outplayed in the Finals. We all know that Skinner is not a future Hall of Famer at this point in his career. That's not the question. The question is, can we upgrade the position given what may be available? I'm not so sure unless we attach significant assets to make it happen.

I also believe that the Oilers may have gone a little too far in their attempt to fill the blueline with puckmovers. That, I believe may be the real problem. We don't have many real defensive dmen except Ekholm and he was either hurt or trying to get up to speed in the finals. Not exactly a great combination.

All in all, we got beat by a very good, very deep and mostly healthy defending champs. The trick for Bowman is not to over-react, but find the right tweaks to make this a better team next year. We already know there's a full defensive side lined up as both goalies and all dmen except Klingberg are signed for next season (assuming Bouchard is re-signed.) So, he's got his work cut out for him.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846955 is a reply to message #846953 ]	Thu, 26 June 2025 11:18

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Hibernia wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 10:08

Adam wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 16:35

What was Bobrovsky's Goals Saved Above Expected?

What does that have to do with if we keep Skinner or not? I never said Skinner (and/or Pickard) weren't outplayed in the Finals. We all know that Skinner is not a future Hall of Famer at this point in his career. That's not the question. The question is, can we upgrade the position given what may be available? I'm not so sure unless we attach significant assets to make it happen.

I also believe that the Oilers may have gone a little too far in their attempt to fill the blueline with puckmovers. That, I believe may be the real problem. We don't have many real defensive dmen except Ekholm and he was either hurt or trying to get up to speed in the finals. Not exactly a great combination.

All in all, we got beat by a very good, very deep and mostly healthy defending champs. The trick for Bowman is not to over-react, but find the right tweaks to make this a better team next year. We already know there's a full defensive side lined up as both goalies and all dmen except Klingberg are signed for next season (assuming Bouchard is re-signed.) So, he's got his work cut out for him.

Well, I think it is somewhat relevant. While technically it is possible to win the Stanley Cup with only average goaltending, it's not particularly often that we see that come to pass. Skinner's inconsistency makes it hard to judge. He has stretches where he seems unbeatable - the end of the Vegas series and much of the Dallas series he was great. But when he's off, he's terrible. I suspect that his goals below average for the Finals would have been significantly worse. And three years in a row he's had to be pulled multiple times in the playoffs.

I don't believe you NEED to flush Skinner. He's relatively young, and he does have his moments. But by now, I think it's clear that he isn't likely going to be able to carry you through a full playoffs and so the other half of the tandem has to be someone who is a higher calibre than Pickard. Now, Pickard played the best hockey of his career in the playoffs. He was what, 8-1? That's great work and way above what anyone expected of him - but the team shouldn't be resting its hopes on a 34-year old backup with no previous pro hockey playoff experience. That's insanity.

I'd prefer to see us upgrade, dump Pickard, keep Skinner as the backup. Play both about 50% of the games in the regular season. And then pick your fighter for the playoffs - with a very short leash, especially if you choose to back Skinner as the guy.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846882 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 14:52

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Imagine what you could do with $9.25M ..

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 14:52

Imagine what you could do with $9.25M ..

Still 2 more years on Nurse's deal before he has a 10 team no-trade list. And even with that, he needs to be paid a 6M bonus each of the last 3 years of his deal (and the 4th last, 26/27 which has full NMC still) icon_dead

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846947 is a reply to message #846883 ]	Wed, 25 June 2025 21:43

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 15:20

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 14:52

Imagine what you could do with $9.25M ..

Still 2 more years on Nurse's deal before he has a 10 team no-trade list. And even with that, he needs to be paid a 6M bonus each of the last 3 years of his deal (and the 4th last, 26/27 which has full NMC still) icon_dead

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Seriously, wth Holland? icon_frown

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I suspect at the time there were a number of contracts with this kind of bonus structure getting written in (big bonuses, low actual salary) so that in the event of a labour stoppage, their money would be mostly guaranteed and paid regardless.
For a while there was real concern that another possibly long stoppage was quite possible to occur.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846951 is a reply to message #846947 ]	Thu, 26 June 2025 08:58

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welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 21:43

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 15:20

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 14:52

Imagine what you could do with $9.25M ..

Still 2 more years on Nurse's deal before he has a 10 team no-trade list. And even with that, he needs to be paid a 6M bonus each of the last 3 years of his deal (and the 4th last, 26/27 which has full NMC still) icon_dead

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Seriously, wth Holland? icon_frown

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I suspect at the time there were a number of contracts with this kind of bonus structure getting written in (big bonuses, low actual salary) so that in the event of a labour stoppage, their money would be mostly guaranteed and paid regardless.
For a while there was real concern that another possibly long stoppage was quite possible to occur.

I think it's more that agents have figured out that buyouts are often bad for their clients, so if you build a contract that removes financial and cap incentives for said buyout, then it's a lot less of a concern. If you're getting your client an 8-year deal coming off a huge spike year and you suspect that A) there's a chance your player may not always be able to play at that same spike level and B) that the GM is a fossil who'll barely read the agreement anyhow, then you swing for the fences on this, and you make noise that you keep hearing from teams who want to write offer sheets.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846954 is a reply to message #846951 ]	Thu, 26 June 2025 10:10

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Adam wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 08:58

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 25 June 2025 21:43

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 15:20

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 24 June 2025 14:52

Imagine what you could do with $9.25M ..

Still 2 more years on Nurse's deal before he has a 10 team no-trade list. And even with that, he needs to be paid a 6M bonus each of the last 3 years of his deal (and the 4th last, 26/27 which has full NMC still) icon_dead

icon_dead

Seriously, wth Holland? icon_frown

icon_frown

I suspect at the time there were a number of contracts with this kind of bonus structure getting written in (big bonuses, low actual salary) so that in the event of a labour stoppage, their money would be mostly guaranteed and paid regardless.
For a while there was real concern that another possibly long stoppage was quite possible to occur.

I think it's more that agents have figured out that buyouts are often bad for their clients, so if you build a contract that removes financial and cap incentives for said buyout, then it's a lot less of a concern. If you're getting your client an 8-year deal coming off a huge spike year and you suspect that A) there's a chance your player may not always be able to play at that same spike level and B) that the GM is a fossil who'll barely read the agreement anyhow, then you swing for the fences on this, and you make noise that you keep hearing from teams who want to write offer sheets.

More guaranteed money too. The signing bonuses are excluded from the cap reduction calculations and can't be reduced by the 1/3 or 2/3 rules for the buyout.

We gave nurse absolutely everything possible, max term, max overpay, super generous NMC and ridiculous bonuses. Classic Holland garbage. May as well have just handed over a blank cheque.

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846956 is a reply to message #846954 ]	Thu, 26 June 2025 11:19

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 26 June 2025 10:10

May as well have just handed over a blank cheque.

Do we know that's not how he managed that?

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Re: 2025 Oiler Off-Season Transactions [message #846884 is a reply to message #846859 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 15:55

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