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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846828 is a reply to message #846810 ]	Thu, 19 June 2025 15:37

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 19:32

nullterm wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 15:51

Rutuu wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 15:21

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Not sure how I feel about this...and the timing.

8 years for Frederic, $4 mil per? Whaaaa

Can't be real.. That's a freaking boat anchor!

I'd say he's worth 2.5 max on term.. probsbly less. after
whatI saw of him these playoffs..

No way 4 mil...

This is the problem with having a management team that constantly believes they're smarter than everyone else. If every fan out there can understand that that's a terrible decision, then you would think that the GM should be able to see it too.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846830 is a reply to message #846828 ]	Thu, 19 June 2025 15:43

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For a long time I've thought the do nothing or fan vote method would have yielded better results for the team.

Right now we're playing the hand we're dealt though...and I'm preparing myself for the Carter Hart signing.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846831 is a reply to message #846830 ]	Thu, 19 June 2025 17:45

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Rutuu wrote on Thu, 19 June 2025 15:43

For a long time I've thought the do nothing or fan vote method would have yielded better results for the team.

Right now we're playing the hand we're dealt though...and I'm preparing myself for the Carter Hart signing.

Just hart? If he is willing to give one guy a second chance why not 3 or 4 of them? lol. Each on a 1M redemption deal. Using the cap we save signing Frederic for 8 years at ONLY 3.5-4M. I assume if we signed Frederic for only 3-4 years he would have costed 6M+

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846832 is a reply to message #846831 ]	Thu, 19 June 2025 20:05

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Anyone else worried with McDavid’s tone and words in interviews the last couple of days?

It’s a VERY different feeling than last year.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846836 is a reply to message #846832 ]	Thu, 19 June 2025 22:55

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Mike wrote on Thu, 19 June 2025 19:05

Anyone else worried with McDavid’s tone and words in interviews the last couple of days?

It’s a VERY different feeling than last year.

Yes.

https://x.com/Sportsnet/status/1935756594471403627

McDavid's next contract.... $18mil and a legit starting goaltender.

We all know how broken and fall short the Oilers organization has been for decades.

I'm already at the point where I feel more that this guy needs an opportunity with the proper support.

And maybe that's something Oilers ownership and management are incapable of.

We knew the team has specific failure points from last year's SCF, and this year they walked in with the same failure points. If not weaker overall.

... as Bowman is in negotiation with Frederic (a 20-30 point forward) for $4 million for 8 years. Holloway was $2.29 million for 2 years, and got 63 points with the Blues.

This is on ownership and management now. Love the logo, love the players, love the coaches, love the fans, love the city... but ownership and management.... no.

But yeah hopefully he re-signs. But I'm also hoping that he somehow forces ownership and management to actually address what our needs are for the next step.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846838 is a reply to message #846836 ]	Fri, 20 June 2025 01:57

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nullterm wrote on Fri, 20 June 2025 01:55

Mike wrote on Thu, 19 June 2025 19:05

Anyone else worried with McDavid’s tone and words in interviews the last couple of days?

It’s a VERY different feeling than last year.

Yes.

https://x.com/Sportsnet/status/1935756594471403627

McDavid's next contract.... $18mil and a legit starting goaltender.

We all know how broken and fall short the Oilers organization has been for decades.

I'm already at the point where I feel more that this guy needs an opportunity with the proper support.

And maybe that's something Oilers ownership and management are incapable of.

We knew the team has specific failure points from last year's SCF, and this year they walked in with the same failure points. If not weaker overall.

... as Bowman is in negotiation with Frederic (a 20-30 point forward) for $4 million for 8 years. Holloway was $2.29 million for 2 years, and got 63 points with the Blues.

This is on ownership and management now. Love the logo, love the players, love the coaches, love the fans, love the city... but ownership and management.... no.

But yeah hopefully he re-signs. But I'm also hoping that he somehow forces ownership and management to actually address what our needs are for the next step.

I’ll still never understand letting Holloway go. Broberg I would have liked to keep, but you can argue that one. But Holloway? At $2 and change? Insane. And that happened last year after we spent our time signing a bunch of older players and left them exposed.

And now we’re talking about signing Frederic not only for 8 years, but at an eye popping $4m per? I thought he was the most invisible guy on the entire roster. The only thing that I remember about him is him getting cross checked in the mouth. He brought nothing. And THIS is the guy we must sign right away, for 8 years to boot? 🤔

Anyway - hope we can drop some dead weight and get Bouchard and McDavid signed. But right now I’m not as confident in that happening as I was 4 days ago.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846842 is a reply to message #846838 ]	Fri, 20 June 2025 14:27

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Mike wrote on Fri, 20 June 2025 01:57

nullterm wrote on Fri, 20 June 2025 01:55

Mike wrote on Thu, 19 June 2025 19:05

Anyone else worried with McDavid’s tone and words in interviews the last couple of days?

It’s a VERY different feeling than last year.

Yes.

https://x.com/Sportsnet/status/1935756594471403627

McDavid's next contract.... $18mil and a legit starting goaltender.

We all know how broken and fall short the Oilers organization has been for decades.

I'm already at the point where I feel more that this guy needs an opportunity with the proper support.

And maybe that's something Oilers ownership and management are incapable of.

We knew the team has specific failure points from last year's SCF, and this year they walked in with the same failure points. If not weaker overall.

... as Bowman is in negotiation with Frederic (a 20-30 point forward) for $4 million for 8 years. Holloway was $2.29 million for 2 years, and got 63 points with the Blues.

This is on ownership and management now. Love the logo, love the players, love the coaches, love the fans, love the city... but ownership and management.... no.

But yeah hopefully he re-signs. But I'm also hoping that he somehow forces ownership and management to actually address what our needs are for the next step.

I’ll still never understand letting Holloway go. Broberg I would have liked to keep, but you can argue that one. But Holloway? At $2 and change? Insane. And that happened last year after we spent our time signing a bunch of older players and left them exposed.

And now we’re talking about signing Frederic not only for 8 years, but at an eye popping $4m per? I thought he was the most invisible guy on the entire roster. The only thing that I remember about him is him getting cross checked in the mouth. He brought nothing. And THIS is the guy we must sign right away, for 8 years to boot? 🤔

Anyway - hope we can drop some dead weight and get Bouchard and McDavid signed. But right now I’m not as confident in that happening as I was 4 days ago.

We thought we were set for top 6 wingers when we blew all our cap space on Arvidsson and Skinner. How stupid does this make our pro scouting look, and our understanding of players aligning with our coaches?

Our pro scouts need to do some HEAVY lifting this summer if we are going to fix this roster. Sadly, at least with forwards and goaltending, really bad recent history.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846843 is a reply to message #846842 ]	Fri, 20 June 2025 14:42

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 20 June 2025 14:27

We thought we were set for top 6 wingers when we blew all our cap space on Arvidsson and Skinner. How stupid does this make our pro scouting look, and our understanding of players aligning with our coaches?

Our pro scouts need to do some HEAVY lifting this summer if we are going to fix this roster. Sadly, at least with forwards and goaltending, really bad recent history.

The coach and GM have to be at least aligned on strategy around the depth chart. We got Jeff Skinner at a reasonable cost following his buyout and the coach refused to play him on the top lines all season. I want to be fair to Knoblauch so I'll acknowledge that his first couple months, Skinner had just a miserable plus/minus. He went -8 in 13 games in November (although already playing down lineup).

But then the coach developed a massive blindspot. Skinner finished the year at +1, while other guys who got the push ahead of him were much worse. Kapanen was a team worst -16 on the season. Janmark was -6, Arvidsson was -3.

Skinner had 29 points playing off the third and fourth line all season. That's more than Holloway had in his entire time with the Oilers and more than all forwards outside of McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, Hyman and Perry. It's just a huge miss. Even with Hyman out and Nuge playing with a broken hand, the coach wouldn't put Skinner with McDavid or Draisaitl in the Finals. It's bonkers.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846844 is a reply to message #846843 ]	Fri, 20 June 2025 16:05

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Time for an offseason thread?

Overall I think we have been pretty fortunate to have watch such good hockey over the last 4 years. The Oilers, for all their flaws, have been a really good team for a long time now. They might not have been the best team, but they could have won and I think came damn close 3 times. It's a shame they didn't cash one in, but the ride was worth it.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846845 is a reply to message #846844 ]	Fri, 20 June 2025 16:33

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 20 June 2025 19:05

Time for an offseason thread?

Overall I think we have been pretty fortunate to have watch such good hockey over the last 4 years. The Oilers, for all their flaws, have been a really good team for a long time now. They might not have been the best team, but they could have won and I think came damn close 3 times. It's a shame they didn't cash one in, but the ride was worth it.

I agree. We’ve enjoyed 6 series wins the last 2 years. 3 games away from being back to back Cup champs. Don’t think that’s ever happened, or at least not in a long time.

And the roster actually wasn’t bad. We made it to the finals without record setting performances from our dynamic duo.

Other than mediocre/bad goaltending, I truly believe losing Hyman was about the worst thing that could have happened. He was one of our very best players through 2+ rounds. Add to that having Nuge break his hand just when he was playing some of the best hockey in his career. Those 2 injuries really hurt.

He was everyone’s favourite last year, myself included, but Ekholm was pretty bad in this year’s playoffs, his 6 points in 7 games aside. I get the Panthers were a better team, but our d actually looked better before he got back IMO.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846846 is a reply to message #846845 ]	Fri, 20 June 2025 16:52

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Mike wrote on Fri, 20 June 2025 15:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 20 June 2025 19:05

Time for an offseason thread?

Overall I think we have been pretty fortunate to have watch such good hockey over the last 4 years. The Oilers, for all their flaws, have been a really good team for a long time now. They might not have been the best team, but they could have won and I think came damn close 3 times. It's a shame they didn't cash one in, but the ride was worth it.

I agree. We’ve enjoyed 6 series wins the last 2 years. 3 games away from being back to back Cup champs. Don’t think that’s ever happened, or at least not in a long time.

And the roster actually wasn’t bad. We made it to the finals without record setting performances from our dynamic duo.

Other than mediocre/bad goaltending, I truly believe losing Hyman was about the worst thing that could have happened. He was one of our very best players through 2+ rounds. Add to that having Nuge break his hand just when he was playing some of the best hockey in his career. Those 2 injuries really hurt.

He was everyone’s favourite last year, myself included, but Ekholm was pretty bad in this year’s playoffs, his 6 points in 7 games aside. I get the Panthers were a better team, but our d actually looked better before he got back IMO.

I'm betting Ekholm was still injured.. originally a groin.. and that he never regained full mobility.. looked like he struggled to pivot to me..
Walman as well.. thought he had a LBI that limited him as well.. plus Klingburg still on the mend from almost 2 years off..

Hard to tell.. I'm sure stauffer will leak some Intel over the coming weeks..

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846839 is a reply to message #846836 ]	Fri, 20 June 2025 08:42

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nullterm wrote on Thu, 19 June 2025 21:55

Mike wrote on Thu, 19 June 2025 19:05

Anyone else worried with McDavid’s tone and words in interviews the last couple of days?

It’s a VERY different feeling than last year.

Yes.

https://x.com/Sportsnet/status/1935756594471403627

McDavid's next contract.... $18mil and a legit starting goaltender.

We all know how broken and fall short the Oilers organization has been for decades.

I'm already at the point where I feel more that this guy needs an opportunity with the proper support.

And maybe that's something Oilers ownership and management are incapable of.

We knew the team has specific failure points from last year's SCF, and this year they walked in with the same failure points. If not weaker overall.

... as Bowman is in negotiation with Frederic (a 20-30 point forward) for $4 million for 8 years. Holloway was $2.29 million for 2 years, and got 63 points with the Blues.

This is on ownership and management now. Love the logo, love the players, love the coaches, love the fans, love the city... but ownership and management.... no.

But yeah hopefully he re-signs. But I'm also hoping that he somehow forces ownership and management to actually address what our needs are for the next step.

If I were McD's agent I'd float the idea of a percentage ownership for a non-20% cap contract .. something cap friendlier.. have some input with roster moves.. or at least a veto.. and at the end of his (long!) career he can get into franchise management.. maybe it's not allowed in the cba for a player to have ownership.. but Mario did for a while with the penguins

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846841 is a reply to message #846839 ]	Fri, 20 June 2025 14:21

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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 20 June 2025 08:42

nullterm wrote on Thu, 19 June 2025 21:55

Mike wrote on Thu, 19 June 2025 19:05

Anyone else worried with McDavid’s tone and words in interviews the last couple of days?

It’s a VERY different feeling than last year.

Yes.

https://x.com/Sportsnet/status/1935756594471403627

McDavid's next contract.... $18mil and a legit starting goaltender.

We all know how broken and fall short the Oilers organization has been for decades.

I'm already at the point where I feel more that this guy needs an opportunity with the proper support.

And maybe that's something Oilers ownership and management are incapable of.

We knew the team has specific failure points from last year's SCF, and this year they walked in with the same failure points. If not weaker overall.

... as Bowman is in negotiation with Frederic (a 20-30 point forward) for $4 million for 8 years. Holloway was $2.29 million for 2 years, and got 63 points with the Blues.

This is on ownership and management now. Love the logo, love the players, love the coaches, love the fans, love the city... but ownership and management.... no.

But yeah hopefully he re-signs. But I'm also hoping that he somehow forces ownership and management to actually address what our needs are for the next step.

If I were McD's agent I'd float the idea of a percentage ownership for a non-20% cap contract .. something cap friendlier.. have some input with roster moves.. or at least a veto.. and at the end of his (long!) career he can get into franchise management.. maybe it's not allowed in the cba for a player to have ownership.. but Mario did for a while with the penguins

Creative solutions are now considered cap circumvention. We can't give him equity instead of cash.

I will say, I think there is a big job for the Oilers management but I'm a bit more hopeful about the willingness to stay after yesterday's press conference. It's annoying that he's even being asked about those things at points where he's dealing with a super-emotional defeat, but I guess that's going to happen when there are decisions to make.

He seemed to be pretty clear that the Oilers need to get Bouchard under contract. That's step one. They're going to need to shake some money loose from somewhere, so finding new homes for Nurse and Kane may be step number 2 and 3. Probably Arvidsson too. Amazingly both goalies still have a contract for next year. We probably need to send someone away. Pickard may be the easier guy to deal.

Lots of people seem skeptical that you can move Nurse but I think there's a good precedent with Seth Jones who looked like a total boat anchor and then moved to Florida and was on PP1 and a huge contributor. A good GM would be able to sell some other lesser one on that storyline for Nurse too so that we can move him without keeping salary, even if the return is otherwise underwhelming. Bigger issue is his NMC.

Arvidsson apparently willing to waive his (why does he have one?!) and Kane's is now only good for half the league so someone should believe that he can be your Poor Man's Tom Wilson. If Buffalo is available as a destination, I'm calling there. Also Grier and Guerin.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846857 is a reply to message #846841 ]	Mon, 23 June 2025 09:01

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You don't trade Pickard, you move him to the minors with his 100% bury-able contract. I think he's proven that he can be a decent backup for emergencies.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846885 is a reply to message #846857 ]	Tue, 24 June 2025 16:53

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 23 June 2025 09:01

You don't trade Pickard, you move him to the minors with his 100% bury-able contract. I think he's proven that he can be a decent backup for emergencies.

Depends what someone is willing to pay for him and how badly you need the spots in the minors. If the big Swedish kid and Rodrigue are considered potential future netminders for the organization, you don't really want them sitting to watch a 35-year old play just in case. You can always get an extra Pickard type if there's a need at the deadline - although hopefully one of those two is emerging as a real option by then.

Also if someone is willing to give a real asset for Pickard based on his playoffs, I sell high every day of the week. He's extremely replaceable and that was the high-water mark of his entire career.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846833 is a reply to message #846831 ]	Thu, 19 June 2025 20:52

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 June 2025 17:45

Rutuu wrote on Thu, 19 June 2025 15:43

For a long time I've thought the do nothing or fan vote method would have yielded better results for the team.

Right now we're playing the hand we're dealt though...and I'm preparing myself for the Carter Hart signing.

Just hart? If he is willing to give one guy a second chance why not 3 or 4 of them? lol. Each on a 1M redemption deal. Using the cap we save signing Frederic for 8 years at ONLY 3.5-4M. I assume if we signed Frederic for only 3-4 years he would have costed 6M+

Well if it was all of them, I mean at least that's a strategy.

Formeton, Hart, Dube, McLeod...We get younger, get under the cap and solve a lot of on ice problems.

We kind of sold our soul already...

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846823 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Thu, 19 June 2025 10:24

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If anything remains true, Bowman is ready to sink this team.

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

Generally Disappointed.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846826 is a reply to message #846823 ]	Thu, 19 June 2025 11:56

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I don’t know what Frederic brings, but it’s definitely not worth locking him in for 8 years. A 20-30 point guy locked up until he’s 35???

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