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Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842875]	Mon, 21 April 2025 22:30

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842923 is a reply to message #842875 ]	Mon, 21 April 2025 23:05

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Don't care what anyone says

Start Pickard next game

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842927 is a reply to message #842923 ]	Mon, 21 April 2025 23:08

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Can we pack Skinner up and send him home? The guy is the definition of momentum-killer and sieve.

Nice effort to get back into the game from the rest of the squad, but when you have playoff Swiss cheese in net, you're not going to go far.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842928 is a reply to message #842923 ]	Mon, 21 April 2025 23:10

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tardigrade81 wrote on Mon, 21 April 2025 23:05

Don't care what anyone says

Start Pickard next game

...hard to argue with letting in 6. PICKS can not be worse. ...and probably better.
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...this time, it's for real (isn't it?).

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842937 is a reply to message #842928 ]	Mon, 21 April 2025 23:14

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You know what, we may have lost but we are in the Kings head for sure. They felt they were home and dry at 4-0. To come back as we did, with a team that is far from healthy, with players due back soon they'll be thinking we got lucky tonight.

Got to keep our heads and stop taking stupid penalties, but that 5 on 3 kill was important, not just for tonight but the series. It should give us some confidence.

Peeved we lost after the come back, but more positives than negatives.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842939 is a reply to message #842937 ]	Mon, 21 April 2025 23:18

Mike
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Leia wrote on Tue, 22 April 2025 02:14

Got to keep our heads and stop taking stupid penalties

lol - you have got to be kidding. We need refs to call a fair game. This was bush league.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842931 is a reply to message #842923 ]	Mon, 21 April 2025 23:10

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tardigrade81 wrote on Mon, 21 April 2025 23:05

Don't care what anyone says

Start Pickard next game

I think they will.

Knoblauch likes Skinner but I think he likes being an NHL coach too.

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842942 is a reply to message #842931 ]	Mon, 21 April 2025 23:23

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Jay wrote on Tue, 22 April 2025 02:10

tardigrade81 wrote on Mon, 21 April 2025 23:05

Don't care what anyone says

Start Pickard next game

I think they will.

Knoblauch likes Skinner but I think he likes being an NHL coach too.

What the hell is your problem with our boy Stu? Did you not check the stats? .800 tonight!!! For every goal he let in, he stopped a whopping 4 shots! Top shelf stuff right here.

Not sure about the GA, but something over 6. Too late here to calculate.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842951 is a reply to message #842942 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 05:41

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Mike wrote on Tue, 22 April 2025 02:53

Jay wrote on Tue, 22 April 2025 02:10

tardigrade81 wrote on Mon, 21 April 2025 23:05

Don't care what anyone says

Start Pickard next game

I think they will.

Knoblauch likes Skinner but I think he likes being an NHL coach too.

Two of the Kings' goals were lucky.

Given that the important players on this team haven't played much lately (including Skinner) I'd be putting the same team back on the ice on Wednesday with the exception of 44.

What happened to all of my messages? lol (I guess it's been awhile) BlueSky: StefBarnes

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842952 is a reply to message #842951 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 06:01

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Didn't expect to see that result this morning after going to bed at 4-0. Amazing that we managed to tie it up at 5s.

Kings had a LOT of things go their way that game. Lucky bounce on the GWG, Stu letting in a couple he'd want back, Bouch gifting them two, the refs calling the game heavily in their favour...and they only managed to win by a lucky one.

That's gotta give our boys confidence heading into game 2. Sit Brown for Dineen, and switch Janmark for Kane.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842953 is a reply to message #842951 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 06:26

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Hibernia wrote on Tue, 22 April 2025 08:41

Two of the Kings' goals were lucky.

It's always the same story though isn't it? "Lucky", "no chance", etc...

The reality is that he rarely ever comes up big and stop something he had "no chance" on like many other Cup winning goalies do, and too often he lets in back breaking stinkers. He's slow as hell moving East-West, doesn't cover his post, and far too often overplays and is left out of position and scrambling.

His career playoff save % is .891. The worst of any goalie this century who has played as much as him. If we set the line at 20 games, only Dan Cloutier is worse (.872). The only 2 with >=20GP and <.900.

I was shocked to realize that Skinner is now #3 all time for Oilers playoffs games started. His 36 is 4 more than Andy Moog, and only 3 less than Bill Ranford's 39 (miles away from Fuhr's 109 though).

If this guy had, at some point been elite at the NHL level, I could understand the belief so many have in him. But as it is, he has never been all that good - in fact he's often been very bad.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842955 is a reply to message #842953 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 08:30

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Mike wrote on Tue, 22 April 2025 09:56

Hibernia wrote on Tue, 22 April 2025 08:41

Two of the Kings' goals were lucky.

he has never been all that good

Never. No b'y. I guess that was a different Skinner in the nets last post-season. He doesn't need to be an elite goalie. He's needs to be this team's version of Osgood with the Wings or Vernon with the Flames. This team wasn't built to win games in their own end. It was built to win games on offence. On those sorts of teams, the goalie often gets hung out to dry.

It's always easy to pick on the goalie, the last player to make a mistake.

Could Skinner make an additional save here or there? Sure. But last night, both goalies had an .800 save percentage and the Kings are supposed to be a top defensive team. And, I don't recall any of the Oilers goals being of the lucky variety. So, who was the better goalie last night? It's not necessarily the guy who got the W.

If Skinner is getting pulled for his effort, I assume you also think that the Kings should be putting Rittach in net for Game 2 as well.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842956 is a reply to message #842955 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 09:09

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They can't panic after game 1. Starting the backup in the playoffs is a last chance desperation play that leaves no plan c if it fails. Down 0-2 (or even 1-2) makes a lot more sense.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842957 is a reply to message #842956 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 09:14

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 22 April 2025 09:09

The can't panic after game 1. Starting the backup in the playoffs is a last chance desperation play that leaves no plan c if it fails. Down 0-2 (or even 1-2) makes a lot more sense.

I feel like our players give Pickard the "Smith" treatment, in the form of better efforts in front of him. But peak performance, Skinner can still put up more impressive games. Pickard is consistent, but consistently performs like a career backup goalie.

You know our most tenured coach is always going to be pushing for Skinner starts, so I think it'll take a complete meltdown before we play Pickard.

I really hope at some point in the McDrai age we take goaltending seriously.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842959 is a reply to message #842956 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 09:30

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 22 April 2025 09:09

The can't panic after game 1. Starting the backup in the playoffs is a last chance desperation play that leaves no plan c if it fails. Down 0-2 (or even 1-2) makes a lot more sense.

Completely agree with this. Understand the sentiment, and wish that management had taken the goaltending issues seriously prior to this, but they decided that they'd prefer to have a traditional starter/back-up tandem and that's what they have. There isn't much of a Plan B.

Pickard played in 36 games this year starting 31 of them. That's the most starts or appearances he's had since 2016-17. He's almost never had to play back-to-back games in many years, so expecting him to play the next 20-odd games is probably a stretch. And how did he do? Well, his .900 sv% and 2.71 GAA aren't stellar. He's tied for 30th in save percentage among goalies with 20 or more starts.

And if you dig a layer deeper, here is how he did against playoff teams this year:

Winnipeg - 6-0 L (in relief, 1 GA on 7 shots)
New Jersey - 3-0 L
Montreal - 3-0 L
Minnesota 5-3 W
Colorado - 5-4 L
Washington - 7-3 L
Carolina - 3-1 W
Winnipeg - 4-3 OTL
Vegas - 3-2 W
Los Angeles - 3-0 L
St Louis - 4-3 W
Los Angeles - 5-0 L

He also played 6 scoreless minutes in a loss to Dallas after Skinner got hurt. For those keeping track, that's 4-6-1 not including the relief appearance. He ate up the also-rans, going 18-4-0 against non-playoff teams, but against contenders, he's not shown well, including two big losses to the Kings down the stretch.

The coach hasn't trusted him much to play against the good teams either - Of his 10 starts against playoff teams, 3 of them came when Knoblauch had really no other choice.

Skinner's numbers are worse than Pickard's but he's also played all the good teams, and left most of the games against the scrubs to his backup (again showing that the Oilers have fully embraced the 1990s approach to goaltending).

There's a chance that Skinner gets hot and goes on a run. We've seen it before. It's a possibility at least. There's just very little chance that Pickard can be that guy.

And as CrusaderPi says, if you switch now it just looks like panic. You have to give 74 back the ball and hope he can run with it. And if he can't, then fire everyone in management for blowing this.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842960 is a reply to message #842955 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 09:35

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Hibernia wrote on Tue, 22 April 2025 11:30

Mike wrote on Tue, 22 April 2025 09:56

Hibernia wrote on Tue, 22 April 2025 08:41

Two of the Kings' goals were lucky.

he has never been all that good

I'm not interested in having a pissing contest - I really don't want or need to be "right" about any of this stuff. I just want the Oilers to win. That's it.

That said, to my eye and by the numbers, Skinner is simply not the guy in my opinion. Yes we got to game 7 of the finals last year, but Bouchard and McDavid set all time records on the way there. Don't imagine Skinner got much consideration for the Conn Smythe.

2 years ago he got pulled what, 4 times? Once against the Kings and then amazingly 3 times against Vegas! And then again last year once against the Canucks. He probably should have been pulled after the 2nd last night

I concede I've never played goalie and am by no means an expert - but what I see is a guy who is always overplays and ends up out of position, maybe the slowest guy I have ever seen going east-west, and I think maybe the one that frustrates me the most, for some reason he never seals the post.

We could win the Cup with him in net, but that's because we have one of the NHL's all time best up front. We win in spite of him.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842925 is a reply to message #842875 ]	Mon, 21 April 2025 23:07

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Ridiculous game. Hope we can start the next one looking like we actually belong in the playoffs. Get the split.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842933 is a reply to message #842875 ]	Mon, 21 April 2025 23:11

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5 against Keumper in his own rink.

There’s that.

Start Pickard.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842936 is a reply to message #842875 ]	Mon, 21 April 2025 23:13

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We don’t deserve this wonder McDavid…. He’s so unlucky to end up to a Canadian team…. and Oilers nonetheless….
Skinner doesn’t belong in Nhl…

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842938 is a reply to message #842875 ]	Mon, 21 April 2025 23:17

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You get what you deserve when you roll into the playoffs with sub .900 goaltending and no plan B. All those analytics hires, McDavid’s old agent at the helm, a 3 time cup winning GM…And the play was to go with this uninspiring duo of goaltending..

We may win the series yet, but any run is going to be harder than it needs to be.

Waste of a 4 pt game from 97.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842943 is a reply to message #842875 ]	Mon, 21 April 2025 23:26

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Taking a moment to realize how hard Danault owned us tonight.

Whining about oilers holding sticks in the media somehow leads to the refs calling a phantom stick hold penalty on us, right at the start of the game, for LA's first goal. Kulak never even touched the stick, he just had an arm out like lots of players do all night.

His head flop while getting a cross check in the chest, like many D to after the whistle on players being aggressive in the crease, draws a 5 on 3 call for another instant goal.

Scores 2 goals himself including the fluke GWG.

Just so gross. Don't let this happen again Oilers.

[Updated on: Mon, 21 April 2025 23:28]

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842947 is a reply to message #842943 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 00:15

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Defencemen ice time tonight:

Bouchard - 28:20
Nurse - 25:17
Kulak - 24:58
Walman - 19:35
Emberson - 13:10
J. Brown - 4:54

This is unsustainable, especially if we get in to some overtime games. The Oilers can't afford to play Brown again, and they need to give a little more trust down the roster. If we roll 3 defencemen out for 25+ minutes a night, they're going to break down and they're going to make mistakes when they tire out.

On forward, Frederic with only 9:11 tonight...still doesn't look healthy. Maybe he should come out if Kane goes in and rest up.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842948 is a reply to message #842947 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 00:26

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Adam wrote on Mon, 21 April 2025 23:15

They even had Dermott if Klingberg wasn't ready.. and at least Dineen has showed he has a good puck IQ and can skate, move the puck.. Knob and the defensive coaches chunked that one.. inserting Brown.. I think I blame the defensive coaches more.. Stuart and ☕ .. they obviously OK'd it.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842949 is a reply to message #842948 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 01:12

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Knoblauch is either winning a cup or getting fired this summer. Nothing in between. Bad decision after bad decision, but McDavid almost saved his skin. Could have easily been Paul Coffey coming out in the 3rd period as new head coach.

Skinner… is either about to go on a tear as he usually does after 2/3 awful games or you need to ride Pickard. The whole team spent the whole game waking up realizing they are in the playoffs, but he wasn’t holding the team in while they did.

Oilers are the Schrödinger's cat of the playoffs, you have no idea if you are opening a box to a live or dead cat.

No panic yet. If they pull out a game 2 win in LA we’re rolling.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842945 is a reply to message #842875 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 00:03

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Who comes out for Kane[ 8 vote(s) ]

1. Arvedsson 0 / 0%
2. J. Skinner 6 / 75%
3. C. Brown 2 / 25%
4. Janmark 0 / 0%

Refs + Skinner = Loss

J. Skinner, Arvedsson, who goes out if Kane comes in?

Arvedsson.. too small and slow.. Skinner same.. but more agile..

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842946 is a reply to message #842945 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 00:12

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Who should come out? Janmark, notwithstanding the goal tonight. He had 2 goals all season before that, with only one past an actual goalie.

However, it's Knoblauch, so he'll keep his meat-and-potatoes guy in, and he'll bench Jeff Skinner despite all his hot play down the stretch.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842950 is a reply to message #842945 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 01:18

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 21 April 2025 23:03

Refs + Skinner = Loss

J. Skinner, Arvedsson, who goes out if Kane comes in?

Arvedsson.. too small and slow.. Skinner same.. but more agile..

I voted Skinner. He’s shown nothing and maybe the wrong guy against the Kings. Maybe next series. Arved atleast had some decent looks around the net.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842954 is a reply to message #842875 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 08:26

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First game back for a few of our minute munchers which, IMO, results in what we saw the first 40 minutes.

Love Walmans game. That delay of game call was a joke.

Stuart is trash laterally has the reflexes of my 7yo. Bouch a defensive liability due to being scared to take a hit so he continues to serve up grade A premium steaks for opponents. JSkins weak board play, can see him being called Eberle by Oilers MSM soon… I think he’s the one that sits for Kane Friday night.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842958 is a reply to message #842875 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 09:27

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I thought offensively Bouchard was great. Defensively? Eeesh, that 40 seconds left in the 3rd goal against he can't let two guys in.

Stu is scary, a really... scary. Shell of his former self.

I turned it off when it was 4-0 and came back when it was 5-5.

As a team, they are better than the kings but Stu isn't.

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

Generally Disappointed.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #1) [message #842961 is a reply to message #842958 ]	Tue, 22 April 2025 09:36

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Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 22 April 2025 09:27

Bouchard had some bad moments last night, and that giveaway on the third goal was pretty awful. We had a lot of bad moments from defence last night though. Brown was awful leading up to Kulak's penalty, and even worse defending on the PP. Walman's penalty to put us down 5-on-3 was stupid. I like an amount of aggression (and argue that the referees sure ignored some absolute tackles in front of LA's net), but if you use your stick to grate the guy's neck and chin, it's going to get called more often than not. It was a stunning lack of composure that cost us a goal against. While he was unlucky on the over-the-glass penalty and while there may have been an argument it clipped glass, it still was a stupid play. He has time, he's not pressured, and he just completely misplays the puck when he could have probably even skated it out if he'd wanted.

I do think that the distribution of minutes for the d-men wasn't helpful. If Bouchard is playing half the game, he's probably going to feel some fatigue and that's going to put us at risk. If the 5th and 6th guys barely see the ice, they're not going to get any rhythym and they're going to be more scared of making a mistake when they do finally go out there.

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