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 Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #74) [message #842198]
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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #74) [message #842199 is a reply to message #842198 ]
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Well damn, that was a solid win.

Timely saves, timely scoring, lots of guys looking confident out there. Keep it up. You got a high standard to live up to when you come back McDavid, if this keeps up.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #74) [message #842200 is a reply to message #842199 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 April 2025 22:37

Well damn, that was a solid win.

Timely saves, timely scoring, lots of guys looking confident out there. Keep it up. You got a high standard to live up to when you come back McDavid, if this keeps up.

2-32

McDavid? What about SKINNER?? ...that might be a more interesting question.

...anyway gritty win. (even though VGK choked on 2-3 OPEN nets)

...this time, it's for real (isn't it?).

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #74) [message #842201 is a reply to message #842198 ]
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Is it time to start talking about running with Pickard into the playoffs.

He’s small, often out of position, but he makes the save and often gets teams to miss the net with hurried shots.

If we win out the week and Skinner returns to the crease, it’ll be a short leash.

On the verge of a goalie controversy which in the long run will be a good thing as it force a change. Both fight to be average knowing that’s all the Oilers need.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #74) [message #842203 is a reply to message #842201 ]
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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 01 April 2025 22:53

Is it time to start talking about running with Pickard into the playoffs.

He’s small, often out of position, but he makes the save and often gets teams to miss the net with hurried shots.

If we win out the week and Skinner returns to the crease, it’ll be a short leash.

On the verge of a goalie controversy which in the long run will be a good thing as it force a change. Both fight to be average knowing that’s all the Oilers need.


This might be the first back-to-back starts that Pickard's had all year where he hasn't got blown out completely in one of them. We're just a few days away from that dreadful second period against Seattle. I think it would be a little preliminary to suggest that he's stealing the top job away.

Not that Skinner sets a high bar, but running Pickard through the playoffs out of anything less than absolute necessity would be insanity.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #74) [message #842204 is a reply to message #842203 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 02 April 2025 04:30

running Pickard through the playoffs out of anything less than absolute necessity would be insanity.


But going with one of the worst goalies in NHL playoff history for the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row is "sane"?

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 nner Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #74) [message #842205 is a reply to message #842204 ]
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Mike wrote on Wed, 02 April 2025 08:43

Adam wrote on Wed, 02 April 2025 04:30

running Pickard through the playoffs out of anything less than absolute necessity would be insanity.


But going with one of the worst goalies in NHL playoff history for the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row is "sane"?


Skinner got the team to the final last year, and has won at least one round in his three seasons as the #1 goalie. How is he one of the worst in playoff history? He may not be a Vezina candidate, but he's hardly one of the worst in history.

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 Re: nner Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #74) [message #842206 is a reply to message #842205 ]
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Wasn't expecting that. Wow

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 Re: nner Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #74) [message #842207 is a reply to message #842205 ]
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Hibernia wrote on Wed, 02 April 2025 08:49

Mike wrote on Wed, 02 April 2025 08:43

Adam wrote on Wed, 02 April 2025 04:30

running Pickard through the playoffs out of anything less than absolute necessity would be insanity.


But going with one of the worst goalies in NHL playoff history for the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row is "sane"?


Skinner got the team to the final last year, and has won at least one round in his three seasons as the #1 goalie. How is he one of the worst in playoff history? He may not be a Vezina candidate, but he's hardly one of the worst in history.


You're right - had nothing to do with McDavid and Bouchard setting records.

To answer your question on how is he one of the worst in playoff history:

Of all goalies who have played as many games as him this century, he is dead last in save% with .894 and 4th worst in GAA. Those are counting numbers.

Watching the games - he lets it absolute stinkers more than any goalie I ever remember watching. Absolute back breakers. He got pulled 4 times 2 years ago, and once last year. When Pickard came in (and even Campbell the year before), they were markedly better than Skinner. Both by the numbers and with the eye test.

I'm not saying Pickard is a safe bet to put the team on his back and lead his team to the Cup. But I am saying it's about an even odds bet that that Skinner will have a sub .900 game (18 games below .900, 17 above). Our record when we get at least .900, 14-3. Sub .900, 5-13.

If this was a guy who has shown at some point that he could handle the workload and play at an elite level for more than a few games in a row, I could understand the faith in him. But he's never shown than. Quite the opposite.



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 Re: nner Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #74) [message #842217 is a reply to message #842205 ]
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He won, because we outscored the opponents…. Skinner didn’t win us anything…. except bitter taste..

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #74) [message #842208 is a reply to message #842203 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 02 April 2025 01:30

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 01 April 2025 22:53

Is it time to start talking about running with Pickard into the playoffs.

He’s small, often out of position, but he makes the save and often gets teams to miss the net with hurried shots.

If we win out the week and Skinner returns to the crease, it’ll be a short leash.

On the verge of a goalie controversy which in the long run will be a good thing as it force a change. Both fight to be average knowing that’s all the Oilers need.


This might be the first back-to-back starts that Pickard's had all year where he hasn't got blown out completely in one of them. We're just a few days away from that dreadful second period against Seattle. I think it would be a little preliminary to suggest that he's stealing the top job away.

Not that Skinner sets a high bar, but running Pickard through the playoffs out of anything less than absolute necessity would be insanity.


No one wants it to be this way … Skinner has not looked good for such a long time, and running with Pickard might be a necessity. The Stu leash get's shorter and shorter, and even though Pickard just started his first back to back in set of games in ages, he has been getting more starts as of late, and not just on nights where they play back-to-back games.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #74) [message #842210 is a reply to message #842203 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 02 April 2025 01:30

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 01 April 2025 22:53

Is it time to start talking about running with Pickard into the playoffs.

He’s small, often out of position, but he makes the save and often gets teams to miss the net with hurried shots.

If we win out the week and Skinner returns to the crease, it’ll be a short leash.

On the verge of a goalie controversy which in the long run will be a good thing as it force a change. Both fight to be average knowing that’s all the Oilers need.


This might be the first back-to-back starts that Pickard's had all year where he hasn't got blown out completely in one of them. We're just a few days away from that dreadful second period against Seattle. I think it would be a little preliminary to suggest that he's stealing the top job away.

Not that Skinner sets a high bar, but running Pickard through the playoffs out of anything less than absolute necessity would be insanity.


It might just be another game of trying to figure out how to get Skinner into his high confidence mode. If we just kept playing Skinner last playoffs, we aren't talking about how we made the finals this year, we are pissed at how we choked against the Canucks and their 3rd string goalie (a goalie that ended up bombing this season to add some extra embarrassment). Even beating the Canucks, how we let that series go long really beat up our team, and IMO can be considered a big reason we didn't win the cup in the end. Drai kept taking more damage, Hyman got wrecked and never really recovered after that series, possibly even injuries he carried into this year, think Ekholm got beat up in that series too. McDavid and all our forwards were taking huge runs from that D group for 7 games. Some stinky goaltending and defensive play made that series go way longer than it should have.


Once again this season, think we will need to hope that Pickard can play some good games when Skinner is faltering to get Skinner's engine going again. Hope the org is taking goaltending seriously this summer. Also, if they do, hope we don't end up with another Campbell. Goalies that are prone to getting down in the dumps mentally will probably always have a very difficult time behind this group.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #74) [message #842212 is a reply to message #842210 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 April 2025 09:19

Adam wrote on Wed, 02 April 2025 01:30

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 01 April 2025 22:53

Is it time to start talking about running with Pickard into the playoffs.

He’s small, often out of position, but he makes the save and often gets teams to miss the net with hurried shots.

If we win out the week and Skinner returns to the crease, it’ll be a short leash.

On the verge of a goalie controversy which in the long run will be a good thing as it force a change. Both fight to be average knowing that’s all the Oilers need.


This might be the first back-to-back starts that Pickard's had all year where he hasn't got blown out completely in one of them. We're just a few days away from that dreadful second period against Seattle. I think it would be a little preliminary to suggest that he's stealing the top job away.

Not that Skinner sets a high bar, but running Pickard through the playoffs out of anything less than absolute necessity would be insanity.


It might just be another game of trying to figure out how to get Skinner into his high confidence mode. If we just kept playing Skinner last playoffs, we aren't talking about how we made the finals this year, we are pissed at how we choked against the Canucks and their 3rd string goalie (a goalie that ended up bombing this season to add some extra embarrassment). Even beating the Canucks, how we let that series go long really beat up our team, and IMO can be considered a big reason we didn't win the cup in the end. Drai kept taking more damage, Hyman got wrecked and never really recovered after that series, possibly even injuries he carried into this year, think Ekholm got beat up in that series too. McDavid and all our forwards were taking huge runs from that D group for 7 games. Some stinky goaltending and defensive play made that series go way longer than it should have.


Once again this season, think we will need to hope that Pickard can play some good games when Skinner is faltering to get Skinner's engine going again. Hope the org is taking goaltending seriously this summer. Also, if they do, hope we don't end up with another Campbell. Goalies that are prone to getting down in the dumps mentally will probably always have a very difficult time behind this group.


I do wonder if there are some strategies the team could use. If we're up 2-0 or 3-0, giving Skinner a night off would be unorthodox, but should the team consider it? Maybe.

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