| Kane Knee Surgery - LTIR Ahead? [message #840022] |
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 Hibernia
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https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/edmonton-oilers-evander-kane-undergoe s-knee-surgery-out-4-to-8-weeks-1.2233323
Kane is out an additional 6-8 weeks. That puts him at late Feb-early March to return to hockey activities. If you had any doubt about if he's going on LTIR until the end of the season, I think this answers that question. This could open up some significant cap space leading up to the deadline to add some extra bodies, like a partner for Nurse or another top six winger who could play alongside Leon or Connor.
I will admit, the idea of bringing Hall back to play alongside Leon is enticing to me. They had great chemistry the season before Chia lost his mind. However, I'd be shocked if Chicago pulls off a deal with Bowman unless we give them something stupid.
What happened to all of my messages? lol (I guess it's been awhile) BlueSky: StefBarnes
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Kr55
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Wow. We are actually playing the game off the ice too now? :)
Now let’s hope we put that LTIR space to good use. I guess we will know if Kane is coming back perfectly timed for game 1 based on our trade deadline moves.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
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Jay
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This is great news. I just hope they are timing this right to make sure Kane has time to miraculously return for game 83. All things being equal I'd rather have a healthy Kane than the cap space but of course ideally they can have both!
"Initiative comes to thems that wait"
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Mike
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 10 January 2025 13:23 |
Wow. We are actually playing the game off the ice too now? :)
Now let’s hope we put that LTIR space to good use. I guess we will know if Kane is coming back perfectly timed for game 1 based on our trade deadline moves.
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The second Kane steps on the ice for game 1 of the playoffs, Bettman will fine the Oilers 3 1st round picks for cap circumvention. 
Looking upcoming UFAs on non playoff teams, the pool is pretty shallow.
On D I don't really see anyone that jumps out at me. A few goalies might be available for cheap for insurance. Maybe Vanecek or Georgiev from SJ, Husso from DET (thought they're still on the bubble). And for forwards, honestly Hall looks like the most intriguing one there. Maybe Granlund or Zucker? Pretty slim pickings for pure rentals.
Maybe there is someone out there with some term left that is available, but I don't see many options to bolster this team in the UFA heap.
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Dragon_Matt
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Sometimes right before we do it :)
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Kr55
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Friedman and others throwing out that the Oilers may have a tough decision with Kane because apparently we don't know if he will be back in the lineup before end of season. And in the next week we have to make a call based on his approximate timeline, potentially meaning we will have to trade him if we want to use his cap space at the deadline.
Hope this is all just our org playing games, but if any of that is true ... wow, speechless. Tkachuk appears to be on LTIR until playoffs now just to note. Karlsson and Theodore cap space likely to be fully utilized by Vegas at the deadline.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Jay
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| Kr55 wrote on Sun, 02 March 2025 21:46 |
Friedman and others throwing out that the Oilers may have a tough decision with Kane because apparently we don't know if he will be back in the lineup before end of season. And in the next week we have to make a call based on his approximate timeline, potentially meaning we will have to trade him if we want to use his cap space at the deadline.
Hope this is all just our org playing games, but if any of that is true ... wow, speechless. Tkachuk appears to be on LTIR until playoffs now just to note. Karlsson and Theodore cap space likely to be fully utilized by Vegas at the deadline.
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Every time I think this team has reached all time incompetence levels they somehow lower the bar.
This better be just posturing and Kane is in the lineup game 83. 
"Initiative comes to thems that wait"
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tardigrade81
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Don't worry Kane will be back by playoffs and be out MvP through the playoffs
Imagine if I was right. I should put money down on that lol
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NZ Oiler Fan
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Sounds to me like it's Kane that is wanting to return prior to the playoffs, but the team wants him to stay on LTIR until the playoffs so they can use that LTIR space. Hence why they are gauging trade interest on him.
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Kr55
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| NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 03 March 2025 12:19 |
Sounds to me like it's Kane that is wanting to return prior to the playoffs, but the team wants him to stay on LTIR until the playoffs so they can use that LTIR space. Hence why they are gauging trade interest on him.
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Maybe we just happen to be the only contender with a huge arse pain player like this that can't see how he can help the team add more players at the deadline and give himself and the team a better chance at the cup.
Two years in a row maybe? If this is true, then I do wonder if Kane refused to sit out and properly heal with the added benefit of LTIR last year too. That basically would have costed us the cup because we could have had another ~5M of players plus a healthier Kane for the playoff run.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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 Adam
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| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 03 March 2025 12:38 |
| NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 03 March 2025 12:19 |
Sounds to me like it's Kane that is wanting to return prior to the playoffs, but the team wants him to stay on LTIR until the playoffs so they can use that LTIR space. Hence why they are gauging trade interest on him.
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Maybe we just happen to be the only contender with a huge arse pain player like this that can't see how he can help the team add more players at the deadline and give himself and the team a better chance at the cup.
Two years in a row maybe? If this is true, then I do wonder if Kane refused to sit out and properly heal with the added benefit of LTIR last year too. That basically would have costed us the cup because we could have had another ~5M of players plus a healthier Kane for the playoff run.
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He just can't help himself. Extremely selfish person, and doesn't really care about the cap space or about whether that will help the team win. I suspect he is concerned that if he doesn't make a play for that space, then maybe they get another winger and he could have to play in the bottom-6 which would not be his preferred spot.
I mean, this is a guy who griped about his ice time in the middle of a historic winning streak. He's not ever about the crest on the front of the jersey...
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Jay
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| Adam wrote on Mon, 03 March 2025 13:29 |
| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 03 March 2025 12:38 |
| NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 03 March 2025 12:19 |
Sounds to me like it's Kane that is wanting to return prior to the playoffs, but the team wants him to stay on LTIR until the playoffs so they can use that LTIR space. Hence why they are gauging trade interest on him.
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Maybe we just happen to be the only contender with a huge arse pain player like this that can't see how he can help the team add more players at the deadline and give himself and the team a better chance at the cup.
Two years in a row maybe? If this is true, then I do wonder if Kane refused to sit out and properly heal with the added benefit of LTIR last year too. That basically would have costed us the cup because we could have had another ~5M of players plus a healthier Kane for the playoff run.
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He just can't help himself. Extremely selfish person, and doesn't really care about the cap space or about whether that will help the team win. I suspect he is concerned that if he doesn't make a play for that space, then maybe they get another winger and he could have to play in the bottom-6 which would not be his preferred spot.
I mean, this is a guy who griped about his ice time in the middle of a historic winning streak. He's not ever about the crest on the front of the jersey...
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If the oilers are just figuring this out now after all the surgeries and all the talk about prioritizing flexibility at the deadline (more so than locking up their players) then that's on them. Another problem now is that they basically have to trade him unless he sits out until playoffs because they've positioned themselves to blame Kane if they fall on their faces at the deadline.
Also why on earth does Arvidson have a no move?? Has he even played this year?
"Initiative comes to thems that wait"
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Kr55
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Sportsnet @Sportsnet
Panthers GM Bill Zito confirms Matthew Tkachuk has been placed on LTIR, with the team hoping he returns for the playoffs
Tkachuk was listed as day to day until he magically went on LTIR until playoffs. This is how it's done lol.
Unless you have Evander Kane I mean. 2 years he wants to make it where he is playing injured or wants to come back too soon out of pride and we are out being able to add 5M of player at the deadline.
He turned a hernia at the start of last year into 2 hernias and multiple abdominal tears (and then a knee injury rehabbing after a surgery that needed extensive opinions because he turned his body into such a mess) because for some reason he could never take some time off to recover for playoffs, and ends up not even playing in the finals. This clown show might need to end. Hope we can trade him if he really is being a pain and trying to come back early.
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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Kr55
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| Jay wrote on Mon, 03 March 2025 15:26 |
Also why on earth does Arvidson have a no move?? Has he even played this year?
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Friedman: Full no move clauses for both Arvidsson and Henrique.
Fire JJ, seriously. He used up all his luck with Knob and Mumford with Skinner last year.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Kr55
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Friedman today
Probably the same story as last year as he turned a hernia injury at the start of the 23/24 season into multiple hernias and abdominal tears (and a knee injury in rehab the next year because he let it all get so bad) while being a "warrior" playing through it so he couldn't even play in the finals.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Skookum Jim
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If Kane doesn't sit out until game #1 he never cared about the team.. if true.. his agent could be trying to force a trade by threatening to come back early.. dirty
I wouldn't trade him though.. what are you going to get back except cap space? And what are you going to use it for.. another Arvidson or Skinner type?.. everyone is selling scraps at the deadline..
If he comes back I sell him in the summer.
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Kr55
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 03 March 2025 17:08 |
If Kane doesn't sit out until game #1 he never cared about the team.. if true.. his agent could be trying to force a trade by threatening to come back early.. dirty
I wouldn't trade him though.. what are you going to get back except cap space? And what are you going to use it for.. another Arvidson or Skinner type?.. everyone is selling scraps at the deadline..
If he comes back I sell him in the summer.
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Maybe depends if we think he is actually rushing his return or not. If we think he will not be effective, or even reinjure himself because he is so desperate to get back in the lineup, then his 5M space might end up worthless to us, we won't even get him in the lineup playing well.
We really need to salvage this messy season and give this team a spark at the deadline.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Skookum Jim
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If he needs 20 games to get into "game shape" .. then he should be skating those 20 games of ice time at practice.. game action for him would likely only be about 15 minutes on ice.. if he cared about the playoffs he'd make sure he was 100% by game 1 .so the Oil can use the cap to add at the trade deadline.. he'd benefit as well.. his chances of a long playoff increase..
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Kr55
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 03 March 2025 19:56 |
If he needs 20 games to get into "game shape" .. then he should be skating those 20 games of ice time at practice.. game action for him would likely only be about 15 minutes on ice.. if he cared about the playoffs he'd make sure he was 100% by game 1 .so the Oil can use the cap to add at the trade deadline.. he'd benefit as well.. his chances of a long playoff increase..
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Kucherov did full practice for almost 2 months while pretending to still be injured and then started on fire in the first round on the way to a cup win, so it's certainly possible. But is Kane at all responsive to any ideas outside of what he wants to do?
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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inverno76
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Can he not go to the AHL for a conditioning stint just prior to the playoffs, or does that also screw up his LTIR?
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Jay
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Nurse has been missing a few games lately. Seems to me like he needs to go on ltir.
This seems really easy and obvious for certain teams. They just do it and no one blinks. I wonder if it has something to do with differences in medical rules and regs. Has a Canadian team ever managed to do this? I can't think of any of the top of my head.
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Adam
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| inverno76 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2025 09:22 |
Can he not go to the AHL for a conditioning stint just prior to the playoffs, or does that also screw up his LTIR?
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It would screw it up. Players on conditioning stints are technically still roster players. They still count towards your cap and your 23-man limit.
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inverno76
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| Adam wrote on Tue, 04 March 2025 13:26 |
| inverno76 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2025 09:22 |
Can he not go to the AHL for a conditioning stint just prior to the playoffs, or does that also screw up his LTIR?
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It would screw it up. Players on conditioning stints are technically still roster players. They still count towards your cap and your 23-man limit.
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Crud. Thanks for clarifying. It makes sense, but I don’t like it.
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