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Goalie Targets [message #840754]	Mon, 03 February 2025 17:09

Adam
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So given that most would agree that the netminding needs to improve, where do we look for it?

Looking at the UFA list, there's not a lot of great options:

Cal Peterson (Flyers) - $5MM/yr - what were the Kings thinking when they signed this deal!?!? he's in the minors.
Adin Hill (Golden Knights) - $4.9MM/yr - unavailable
Ville Husso (Red Wings) - $4.75MM - more a Dead Thing than a Red Wing, also in the minors.
Jake Allen (Devils) - $3.85MM - unlikely to move with the Devils in the playoff picture
Alexander Georgiev (Sharks) - $3.4MM - already traded once, a possibility but sucked hard for the Avs in the playoffs last year and struggled much of this year. Once there was a discussion about whether the Rangers should keep him or Shersterkin though...
Frederik Andersen (Hurricanes) - $3.4MM - unavailable
Vitek Vanecek (Sharks) - $3.4MM - in the minors, unable to crack one of the worst rosters in the league...
Anton Forsberg (Senators) - $2.75MM - if the Sens weren't in a playoff spot, would be a good target...but they are, so probably is not available.
Karel Vejmelka (UHC) - $2.725MM - likely the best UFA guy who's available. Not a world beater, but an upgrade all the same.
Dan Vladar (Flames) - $2.2MM - maybe available? Never been overly impressed with him, but probably an upgrade on Pickard.
Ilya Samsonov (Golden Knights) - $1.8MM - unlikely available.
Jonathan Quick (Rangers) - $1.275MM - 39 years old...not sure there's a lot of tread left on those tires.
Charlie Lindgren (Capitals) - $1.1MM - unlikely to move.
David Rittich (Kings) - $1MM - they're probably playing us again, so they aint trading us a goalie.
James Reimer (Sabres) - $1MM - old and meh.
Kaapo Kahkonen (Jets) - $1MM - Jets aren't giving up goalies before the playoffs.
Alex Lyon (Red Wings) - $900K - Maybe?
Kevin Lankinen (Canucks) - $857K - Like above, maybe. Not a world beater, but probably a step up from Pickard.

There's not a lot of sure things there. No one who's immediately taking the starter job from Skinner, but maybe he just needs someone to push him. Either that or we need someone not UFA to be...

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840755 is a reply to message #840754 ]	Mon, 03 February 2025 17:20

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Didn't know Lyon is 32. Thought he was a younger guy. Everyone is raving about him now after beating us, like making the Oilers look like they need a billion shots to score is a great accomplishment :)

Was curious if any of these guys stand out this year in goals saved above average. Vejmelka leads the group by a decent margin. 13th in the league among at least semi-regular playing goalies. What the heck, get him!

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840763 is a reply to message #840754 ]	Tue, 04 February 2025 10:10

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Not ideal, but giving Rodrigue a few starts would be nice. At least see what we have there.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840769 is a reply to message #840763 ]	Tue, 04 February 2025 11:35

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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 04 February 2025 10:10

Not ideal, but giving Rodrigue a few starts would be nice. At least see what we have there.

Honestly at this point, I think that would be Plan C at best for me. He's not going to get enough of a push to really understand what he can bring before the post-season, and I don't think there's any background there to believe that he's going to be the next Roy or Dryden.

His AHL numbers are good, but not world-beating and he's never had a long playoff run at any level. 10 games with Drummondville in the Q was by FAR his longest.

I think there's too much risk to him as the opposite number for Skinner.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840767 is a reply to message #840754 ]	Tue, 04 February 2025 11:12

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I think I would be surprised if they went and got another goalie. I feel like they are way more confident in them as a tandem than I am.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840968 is a reply to message #840754 ]	Mon, 10 February 2025 19:36

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Friedman is blowing on the Gibson embers.

Having a good season.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840969 is a reply to message #840968 ]	Tue, 11 February 2025 08:39

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g2k wrote on Mon, 10 February 2025 22:36

Friedman is blowing on the Gibson embers.

Having a good season.

Main thing that concerns me with him is his durability. I could get behind a Gibson / Skinner duo though

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840970 is a reply to message #840969 ]	Tue, 11 February 2025 09:03

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 11 February 2025 08:39

g2k wrote on Mon, 10 February 2025 22:36

Friedman is blowing on the Gibson embers.

Having a good season.

Main thing that concerns me with him is his durability. I could get behind a Gibson / Skinner duo though

I kept an eye on Gibson in the Eakins years cause I was hoping he would end up an Oiler icon_biggrin

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He's had injuries for sure, but IMO, a lot of that was just being completely left out to dry night after night after night. Those teams would just break him down in every way. The man needs to escape. He seems to be playing like he's trying to get out this year.

Some bad luck this year. Appendectomy just as the season was starting. Somehow got a stick blade in the eye in Dec. Minor upper body injury they he came back from right away in Jan.

Would definitely take him if they money could work. He has 2 more years at 6.4M. Could we convince the Ducks to retain a little? :)

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840972 is a reply to message #840970 ]	Tue, 11 February 2025 12:46

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Be interesting to see how Skinner would respond to a tandem. Would it challenge him? His role on the team has been without dispute for a while now. Or would he regress? Most would say it would motivate him, but I wonder how he would handle that pressure as well though.

It’s understood that Gibson wants a #1 role. So Skinner would be going the other way or moved later. The more I mull this over, the more I doubt there’s anything there.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840973 is a reply to message #840972 ]	Tue, 11 February 2025 21:54

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g2k wrote on Tue, 11 February 2025 11:46

Be interesting to see how Skinner would respond to a tandem. Would it challenge him? His role on the team has been without dispute for a while now. Or would he regress? Most would say it would motivate him, but I wonder how he would handle that pressure as well though.

It’s understood that Gibson wants a #1 role. So Skinner would be going the other way or moved later. The more I mull this over, the more I doubt there’s anything there.

Or do we keep Pickard? Skinner typically needs a few games to get rolling and find his groove. Pickard you can send in anytime and you’ll still get him at a consistent level. I’m not sure Skinner is the backup type you can count on at the drop of a hat.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840974 is a reply to message #840973 ]	Wed, 12 February 2025 08:50

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nullterm wrote on Tue, 11 February 2025 21:54

g2k wrote on Tue, 11 February 2025 11:46

Be interesting to see how Skinner would respond to a tandem. Would it challenge him? His role on the team has been without dispute for a while now. Or would he regress? Most would say it would motivate him, but I wonder how he would handle that pressure as well though.

It’s understood that Gibson wants a #1 role. So Skinner would be going the other way or moved later. The more I mull this over, the more I doubt there’s anything there.

Or do we keep Pickard? Skinner typically needs a few games to get rolling and find his groove. Pickard you can send in anytime and you’ll still get him at a consistent level. I’m not sure Skinner is the backup type you can count on at the drop of a hat.

How long is Pickard able to carry the mail if Gibson gets injured? Seems more injury prone than Skinner. Just wish I had a feel for how much improvement Gibson would bring.

It feels safer if they can create a Skinner/Gibson tandem, but is harder on the cap. I think they will opt to address other things, but I still have reservations about the crease.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840975 is a reply to message #840974 ]	Wed, 12 February 2025 10:43

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g2k wrote on Wed, 12 February 2025 08:50

nullterm wrote on Tue, 11 February 2025 21:54

g2k wrote on Tue, 11 February 2025 11:46

Be interesting to see how Skinner would respond to a tandem. Would it challenge him? His role on the team has been without dispute for a while now. Or would he regress? Most would say it would motivate him, but I wonder how he would handle that pressure as well though.

It’s understood that Gibson wants a #1 role. So Skinner would be going the other way or moved later. The more I mull this over, the more I doubt there’s anything there.

Or do we keep Pickard? Skinner typically needs a few games to get rolling and find his groove. Pickard you can send in anytime and you’ll still get him at a consistent level. I’m not sure Skinner is the backup type you can count on at the drop of a hat.

How long is Pickard able to carry the mail if Gibson gets injured? Seems more injury prone than Skinner. Just wish I had a feel for how much improvement Gibson would bring.

It feels safer if they can create a Skinner/Gibson tandem, but is harder on the cap. I think they will opt to address other things, but I still have reservations about the crease.

I think a Gibson/Pickard tandem has the same issues. If the one goalie falters, the other guy is a 30+ career backup.

Pickard has played some of his best hockey of his career as an Oiler...however, he tends to play mostly against scrub teams. His record against playoff-bound teams is considerably less impressive. He's a true back-up goalie, and I don't think with a true contending team that you should leave the chance open that we are one injury away from needing an older backup goalie with almost no playoff experience in his entire career to have the best month of his life in order to win us a Cup.

Ideally, we trade for a 1A to run with Skinner and Pickard either goes the other way in the deal or becomes a #3 option.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840976 is a reply to message #840975 ]	Wed, 12 February 2025 11:25

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Adam wrote on Wed, 12 February 2025 10:43

g2k wrote on Wed, 12 February 2025 08:50

nullterm wrote on Tue, 11 February 2025 21:54

g2k wrote on Tue, 11 February 2025 11:46

Be interesting to see how Skinner would respond to a tandem. Would it challenge him? His role on the team has been without dispute for a while now. Or would he regress? Most would say it would motivate him, but I wonder how he would handle that pressure as well though.

It’s understood that Gibson wants a #1 role. So Skinner would be going the other way or moved later. The more I mull this over, the more I doubt there’s anything there.

Or do we keep Pickard? Skinner typically needs a few games to get rolling and find his groove. Pickard you can send in anytime and you’ll still get him at a consistent level. I’m not sure Skinner is the backup type you can count on at the drop of a hat.

How long is Pickard able to carry the mail if Gibson gets injured? Seems more injury prone than Skinner. Just wish I had a feel for how much improvement Gibson would bring.

It feels safer if they can create a Skinner/Gibson tandem, but is harder on the cap. I think they will opt to address other things, but I still have reservations about the crease.

I think a Gibson/Pickard tandem has the same issues. If the one goalie falters, the other guy is a 30+ career backup.

Pickard has played some of his best hockey of his career as an Oiler...however, he tends to play mostly against scrub teams. His record against playoff-bound teams is considerably less impressive. He's a true back-up goalie, and I don't think with a true contending team that you should leave the chance open that we are one injury away from needing an older backup goalie with almost no playoff experience in his entire career to have the best month of his life in order to win us a Cup.

Ideally, we trade for a 1A to run with Skinner and Pickard either goes the other way in the deal or becomes a #3 option.

Think it's pretty hard to win no matter what if your #1 isn't going to be the guy for 4 rounds. If we did go with Gibson, you would have to do it expecting him to be your guy. You can find another backup if there is no faith in Pickard, but I think it would mean Skinner is out regardless. We can't afford both. All that said, Pickard probably has better experience than a lot of backups out there. He literally saved us from elimination last playoffs while Skinner needed a week to screw his head back on straight :) No save from Pickard, it would probably be no question last summer that we had to move on from Skinner.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840977 is a reply to message #840976 ]	Wed, 12 February 2025 13:36

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I'm more comfortable with Pickard than Skinner to be honest.

Super short sample size, but when Skinner dropped the ball, Pickard came in and had almost a period of shutout hockey, followed that up with with a huge game 4 win making 19 of 21 saves (.905). And then another great game 5 where he stopped 32 of 35 (.914). The last 2 goals he had no chance on (no I didn't remember - just went to watch them again). First goal was a point shot with a ton of traffic. Maybe could have had that one, but by no means a weak goal. The second was Bouchard giftwrapping it to the Canucks right in the crease, and the 3rd, a pass was coming across, Petterson kicked it toward the net, bounced off the post and onto Miller's stick. confused2

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Skinner in the playoffs? Well a couple years ago he was pulled 4 times in 2 series. 3 times in the Vegas series alone (in 6 games). Even after taking his team to game 7 of the finals, he still is statistically one of the worst playoff goalies of all time (.894 / 2.83). Since 2000, goalies with 30 or more games - his GAA is now 4th worst, and save % dead last (Ray Emery is 2nd worst with .902)

The big question would be, IF we were to pick up someone like Gibson, would Skinner be OK being a backup, or at least part of a tandem?

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840978 is a reply to message #840754 ]	Wed, 12 February 2025 14:03

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Ugh, on this topic. Frank Seravalli apparently suggested a Gibson trade would be hard because we're not sure if Kane will be back before the season ending.

If we don't use Kane's LTIR space at the deadline ... I dunno, I might just check out on this team for a while. We wouldn't even get 1 benefit of being able to shamelessly do exactly what won Vegas and the Lightning the cup out of hiring Stan Freakin Bowman? Hope it's just part of the org playing the game to suggest this to Seravalli, but the Oilers have nice history now of passing up golden deadline LTIR opportunities.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840979 is a reply to message #840978 ]	Wed, 12 February 2025 14:20

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 February 2025 14:03

Ugh, on this topic. Frank Seravalli apparently suggested a Gibson trade would be hard because we're not sure if Kane will be back before the season ending.

If we don't use Kane's LTIR space at the deadline ... I dunno, I might just check out on this team for a while. We wouldn't even get 1 benefit of being able to shamelessly do exactly what won Vegas and the Lightning the cup out of hiring Stan Freakin Bowman? Hope it's just part of the org playing the game to suggest this to Seravalli, but the Oilers have nice history now of passing up golden deadline LTIR opportunities.

The Oilers would be idiots not to sit Kane all year. It's ridiculous if they don't. He's magically healthy for Game 1 and not a second before.

On Pickard @Mike's comment - it is a SUPER small sample size, with zero track record of any post-season success before, and he's still only 1-1. He lost the second game last year and Skinner won with us on the brink of elimination. If I wasn't super busy today I'd pull the numbers but he hasn't done very well the last couple years against the good teams, and we tend to use him waaaay more against the Ducks and the Blackhawks and the like. He's winning most of the games he should, which is what a good backup does but he's 32 and he is what he is. I think we need a backup plan.

@Kr55 - I disagree we can't afford both. I think you need ducks to retain also to scrub through another team to make Gibson more affordable but if you get that, he could be quite affordable. Ducks have little leverage here. They have their goalie of the future in Dostal (who by the way I'd prefer and would pay WAAAAAY more for), and Gibson has a NMC that he's happy to use to force a trade where he wants to go. If that's really Edmonton then you tell them they're eating half his dollars for the remainder of his deal. You then trade through a third party to eat up more of this year's cap (and anything else you can convince them to take for the future.

Skinner is only $2.5MM so he's hardly an expensive starter at the moment. You could potentially have him and Gibson at ~$4MM this year and under $6MM for the next.

And because we don't have a Hellebuyck coming back, I'm way more comfortable with a tandem of two guys who could pull on the rope, than hitching wagons to either of those guys. Gibson is 31, had some injuries and has had a couple of tougher years behind some truly dreadful teams in Anaheim. He's had to endure multiple years of Eakins re-teaching the squad how to play defence. He could absolutely be the guy and carry the ball, but if he gets hurt in round 2, I still don't want to hand the starting job to Calvin Pickard. I think that's a recipe for disaster.

If I were making the deal, I would maybe go as high as a first rd pick and a middling prospect for Gibson with full retention, and then a depth pick for some additional retention from another team. I'd keep Skinner & Pickard, but Pickard is going off roster until the playoffs so he's not against the cap.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840980 is a reply to message #840979 ]	Wed, 12 February 2025 14:39

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Adam wrote on Wed, 12 February 2025 13:20

The Oilers would be idiots not to sit Kane all year. It's ridiculous if they don't. He's magically healthy for Game 1 and not a second before.

The second that happens is the same second the NHL magically comes down hard on people abusing LTIR cap space.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840981 is a reply to message #840980 ]	Wed, 12 February 2025 14:53

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nullterm wrote on Wed, 12 February 2025 14:39

Adam wrote on Wed, 12 February 2025 13:20

The Oilers would be idiots not to sit Kane all year. It's ridiculous if they don't. He's magically healthy for Game 1 and not a second before.

The second that happens is the same second the NHL magically comes down hard on people abusing LTIR cap space.

They can't change the rules until the summer.

This is our chance! :) And bonus we ruin it for everyone else, which I'd be more than happy to see.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840982 is a reply to message #840979 ]	Wed, 12 February 2025 14:57

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Adam wrote on Wed, 12 February 2025 14:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 February 2025 14:03

Ugh, on this topic. Frank Seravalli apparently suggested a Gibson trade would be hard because we're not sure if Kane will be back before the season ending.

If we don't use Kane's LTIR space at the deadline ... I dunno, I might just check out on this team for a while. We wouldn't even get 1 benefit of being able to shamelessly do exactly what won Vegas and the Lightning the cup out of hiring Stan Freakin Bowman? Hope it's just part of the org playing the game to suggest this to Seravalli, but the Oilers have nice history now of passing up golden deadline LTIR opportunities.

The Oilers would be idiots not to sit Kane all year. It's ridiculous if they don't. He's magically healthy for Game 1 and not a second before.

On Pickard @Mike's comment - it is a SUPER small sample size, with zero track record of any post-season success before, and he's still only 1-1. He lost the second game last year and Skinner won with us on the brink of elimination. If I wasn't super busy today I'd pull the numbers but he hasn't done very well the last couple years against the good teams, and we tend to use him waaaay more against the Ducks and the Blackhawks and the like. He's winning most of the games he should, which is what a good backup does but he's 32 and he is what he is. I think we need a backup plan.

@Kr55 - I disagree we can't afford both. I think you need ducks to retain also to scrub through another team to make Gibson more affordable but if you get that, he could be quite affordable. Ducks have little leverage here. They have their goalie of the future in Dostal (who by the way I'd prefer and would pay WAAAAAY more for), and Gibson has a NMC that he's happy to use to force a trade where he wants to go. If that's really Edmonton then you tell them they're eating half his dollars for the remainder of his deal. You then trade through a third party to eat up more of this year's cap (and anything else you can convince them to take for the future.

Skinner is only $2.5MM so he's hardly an expensive starter at the moment. You could potentially have him and Gibson at ~$4MM this year and under $6MM for the next.

And because we don't have a Hellebuyck coming back, I'm way more comfortable with a tandem of two guys who could pull on the rope, than hitching wagons to either of those guys. Gibson is 31, had some injuries and has had a couple of tougher years behind some truly dreadful teams in Anaheim. He's had to endure multiple years of Eakins re-teaching the squad how to play defence. He could absolutely be the guy and carry the ball, but if he gets hurt in round 2, I still don't want to hand the starting job to Calvin Pickard. I think that's a recipe for disaster.

If I were making the deal, I would maybe go as high as a first rd pick and a middling prospect for Gibson with full retention, and then a depth pick for some additional retention from another team. I'd keep Skinner & Pickard, but Pickard is going off roster until the playoffs so he's not against the cap.

Yeah, if we can get that retention, Would definitely go with Gibson/Skinner. I would take that over Gibson/Pickard. I think Skinner is better when he has some competition. Some of his best was last playoffs after seeing Pickard take his spot.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840990 is a reply to message #840982 ]	Thu, 13 February 2025 05:20

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 February 2025 17:57

Yeah, if we can get that retention, Would definitely go with Gibson/Skinner. I would take that over Gibson/Pickard. I think Skinner is better when he has some competition. Some of his best was last playoffs after seeing Pickard take his spot.

Or maybe send Skinner back and go get Vejmelka as well and run Gibson/Vejmelka icon_biggrin

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840992 is a reply to message #840990 ]	Thu, 13 February 2025 09:03

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Mike wrote on Thu, 13 February 2025 05:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 February 2025 17:57

Yeah, if we can get that retention, Would definitely go with Gibson/Skinner. I would take that over Gibson/Pickard. I think Skinner is better when he has some competition. Some of his best was last playoffs after seeing Pickard take his spot.

Or maybe send Skinner back and go get Vejmelka as well and run Gibson/Vejmelka icon_biggrin

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #840998 is a reply to message #840992 ]	Thu, 13 February 2025 18:48

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What about Minnesota? They only have a second round pick in the first 3 rounds of the upcoming draft. I read an interesting article about how Guerin may well choose not to be a buyer at the deadline this season. Would a second and third be enough to maybe get MAF for a month or two? 11 wins in 19 games with a .910 save percentage. Stanley Cup pedigree. No long term commitment. Would possibly be a great second option because we all know Stu is super streaky and that can be a disaster in the playoffs.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #841044 is a reply to message #840754 ]	Tue, 18 February 2025 21:48

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That Ersson kid in Phili sure looked good for Sweden vs. the USA.. shuda been 1st star.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #841045 is a reply to message #841044 ]	Wed, 19 February 2025 05:44

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 19 February 2025 01:18

That Ersson kid in Phili sure looked good for Sweden vs. the USA.. shuda been 1st star.

Small sample size behind a really strong D.

But, that's the trick with goalies. A lot of their numbers are dependent on what the team in front of them give up. This takes me back to Gibson. I read an article the other day... maybe on OilersNation... that looked at Gibson's numbers and compared them to the types of chances the Oilers give up. It wasn't a good match. He thrives at the stuff the Oilers don't do and suffers on the chances like the Oilers tend to give up a lot. The conclusion was that he's not a very good match.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #841048 is a reply to message #841045 ]	Wed, 19 February 2025 12:22

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Hibernia wrote on Wed, 19 February 2025 05:44

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 19 February 2025 01:18

That Ersson kid in Phili sure looked good for Sweden vs. the USA.. shuda been 1st star.

Small sample size behind a really strong D.

But, that's the trick with goalies. A lot of their numbers are dependent on what the team in front of them give up. This takes me back to Gibson. I read an article the other day... maybe on OilersNation... that looked at Gibson's numbers and compared them to the types of chances the Oilers give up. It wasn't a good match. He thrives at the stuff the Oilers don't do and suffers on the chances like the Oilers tend to give up a lot. The conclusion was that he's not a very good match.

Saw that analysis as well, suggesting that Gibson is worse than Skinner at cross ice movement/saves. Think it's really hard to compare a guys performance when he was left dying on a Dallas Eakins team for so long to other teams. The biggest backbreakers with our team is when our goalie is just not tracking the play and lets in some garbage from distance with a bad angle or sliding out of position as the shot comes. Maybe we allow a decent amount of cross ice plays because we are so worried our goalie will let in a straight on stinker? :)

I dunno though, I never thought Gibson was a bad goalie at reading plays and having to move, but maybe age and injuries are slowing him down.

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Re: Goalie Targets [message #841057 is a reply to message #841048 ]	Thu, 20 February 2025 12:15

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 19 February 2025 15:52

Hibernia wrote on Wed, 19 February 2025 05:44

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 19 February 2025 01:18

That Ersson kid in Phili sure looked good for Sweden vs. the USA.. shuda been 1st star.

Small sample size behind a really strong D.

But, that's the trick with goalies. A lot of their numbers are dependent on what the team in front of them give up. This takes me back to Gibson. I read an article the other day... maybe on OilersNation... that looked at Gibson's numbers and compared them to the types of chances the Oilers give up. It wasn't a good match. He thrives at the stuff the Oilers don't do and suffers on the chances like the Oilers tend to give up a lot. The conclusion was that he's not a very good match.

Saw that analysis as well, suggesting that Gibson is worse than Skinner at cross ice movement/saves. Think it's really hard to compare a guys performance when he was left dying on a Dallas Eakins team for so long to other teams. The biggest backbreakers with our team is when our goalie is just not tracking the play and lets in some garbage from distance with a bad angle or sliding out of position as the shot comes. Maybe we allow a decent amount of cross ice plays because we are so worried our goalie will let in a straight on stinker? :)

I dunno though, I never thought Gibson was a bad goalie at reading plays and having to move, but maybe age and injuries are slowing him down.

I don't think Eakins has anything to do with this year's numbers.

Also, doesn't it make more sense to have the goalie adjust to the style of play of the team in front of him, rather than having 20 players trying to adjust how they defend based on the goalie behind them?

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