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 Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #52) [message #840707]
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 Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #52) [message #840710 is a reply to message #840707 ]
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 Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #52) [message #840712 is a reply to message #840710 ]
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Leafs fans thought they won the Stanley Cup, after that goal was disallowed. rofl

...the last two periods were entertaining, at least.

...this time, it's for real (isn't it?).

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 Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #52) [message #840714 is a reply to message #840712 ]
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Can the rangers help us today and beat the Knights.

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 Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #52) [message #840718 is a reply to message #840707 ]
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Question.. why are off-sides "reviewable" down to a millimeter (and the "on-side" call is in fact able to be retracted after the play) .. as well as; faceoffs, icings, high-sticks with even a drop of blood, are able to be called to the extreme letter of the rule book on a consistent basis.. yet.. interference, slew foots, hooking, slashing, cross checks, are OK to be a discretionary matter left to the referee's individual opinion.. which consistently varies (wildly) depending on the particular moment within a single game (and also game to game).. the particular team.. and/or particular player receiving or causing the infraction?

These on-ice officials have the ability to make the calls consistently to the rulebook, they prove they can with the other calls they routinely make, which happen to be less impactful on the game, so why can't they use that ability to make the calls (hooking, interference, slew foots) that actually impact the game/score to the same level .. on a consistent basis ?

.. scratch that.. I think I might have answered my own question!

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 Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #52) [message #840719 is a reply to message #840718 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 02 February 2025 23:46

Question.. why are off-sides "reviewable" down to a millimeter (and the "on-side" call is in fact able to be retracted after the play) .. as well as; faceoffs, icings, high-sticks with even a drop of blood, are able to be called to the extreme letter of the rule book on a consistent basis.. yet.. interference, slew foots, hooking, slashing, cross checks, are OK to be a discretionary matter left to the referee's individual opinion.. which consistently varies (wildly) depending on the particular moment within a single game (and also game to game).. the particular team.. and/or particular player receiving or causing the infraction?

These on-ice officials have the ability to make the calls consistently to the rulebook, they prove they can with the other calls they routinely make, which happen to be less impactful on the game, so why can't they use that ability to make the calls (hooking, interference, slew foots) that actually impact the game/score to the same level .. on a consistent basis ?

.. scratch that.. I think I might have answered my own question!

Lol. Glad you worked through it

Also Vegas lost. Excellent. Still first

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 Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #52) [message #840730 is a reply to message #840719 ]
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tardigrade81 wrote on Sun, 02 February 2025 19:03

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 02 February 2025 23:46

Question.. why are off-sides "reviewable" down to a millimeter (and the "on-side" call is in fact able to be retracted after the play) .. as well as; faceoffs, icings, high-sticks with even a drop of blood, are able to be called to the extreme letter of the rule book on a consistent basis.. yet.. interference, slew foots, hooking, slashing, cross checks, are OK to be a discretionary matter left to the referee's individual opinion.. which consistently varies (wildly) depending on the particular moment within a single game (and also game to game).. the particular team.. and/or particular player receiving or causing the infraction?

These on-ice officials have the ability to make the calls consistently to the rulebook, they prove they can with the other calls they routinely make, which happen to be less impactful on the game, so why can't they use that ability to make the calls (hooking, interference, slew foots) that actually impact the game/score to the same level .. on a consistent basis ?

.. scratch that.. I think I might have answered my own question!

Lol. Glad you worked through it

Also Vegas lost. Excellent. Still first


Vegas giving us a nice gift with some bad play the last few weeks. Bummer we refuse to take full advantage of it. Although, can't look away from how the "gift" of first in our division would be Colorado in the first round right now.

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 Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #52) [message #840735 is a reply to message #840730 ]
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It's hard to look past goaltending the last couple of games. We outplayed and outshot the opposition badly, but one to two weak goals a game is a killer, especially when the other team is getting decent netminding.

The Oilers just aren't getting enough saves. I've heard people say that Pickard has been good for us - he's 13-4 - so maybe he's an adequate backup? But A) look at who we've played in those games. He hasn't faced a lot of playoff-bound teams. And B) his save percentage is .901, just behind Skinner's .902. When we hit the playoffs, I don't think anyone should have a lot of faith that Pickard's going to be able to steal us a round or two... and even if Skinner doesn't falter (which we've seen him do the last two years in the post-season), he could get hurt forcing the back-up in to action. We need to upgrade here.

These two have provided merely adequate netminding for the Oilers this year. The defence has done a great job limiting chances, and while maybe a little underwhelming at 9th highest, the offence has done a lot of its job.

Goaltending is the glaring weakness, which is troubling because we've seen that win and lose series for teams in the past. We've seen Skinner play some great hockey, but it's so sporadic, and when he's bad, it's often really bad.

I hope the Oilers brass have been paying attention the last couple of games and are looking at options. There's no perfect solution right now, but standing pat is asking for trouble.

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 Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #52) [message #840736 is a reply to message #840735 ]
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https://oilersnation.com/news/why-the-oilers-would-be-taking -a-significant-gamble-if-they-stick-with-their-current-goalt ending-tandem

This article seems to agree with me - goaltending not good enough, probably makes sense to upgrade on Pickard.

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 Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #52) [message #840738 is a reply to message #840736 ]
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Adam wrote on Mon, 03 February 2025 14:29

https://oilersnation.com/news/why-the-oilers-would-be-taking -a-significant-gamble-if-they-stick-with-their-current-goalt ending-tandem

This article seems to agree with me - goaltending not good enough, probably makes sense to upgrade on Pickard.


Interesting XGA stats in that article vs top 10 teams.
I wonder how the goalie tandems for the other playoff teams stack up against top 10 opposition.

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 Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #52) [message #840752 is a reply to message #840738 ]
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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 03 February 2025 12:03

Adam wrote on Mon, 03 February 2025 14:29

https://oilersnation.com/news/why-the-oilers-would-be-taking -a-significant-gamble-if-they-stick-with-their-current-goalt ending-tandem

This article seems to agree with me - goaltending not good enough, probably makes sense to upgrade on Pickard.


Interesting XGA stats in that article vs top 10 teams.
I wonder how the goalie tandems for the other playoff teams stack up against top 10 opposition.


It seems a lot of point shots get through Skinner.. I always get a bad feeling whenever the opposition fires one in from the point.. it often negates a lot of good work done to eliminate the AAA grade chances.. feel like cheap goals.. while Oilers always seem to need a a bunch of high grade chances to score any goal.. those cheap point shots are team moral busters..

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 Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #52) [message #840737 is a reply to message #840735 ]
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Adam wrote on Mon, 03 February 2025 11:18

It's hard to look past goaltending the last couple of games. We outplayed and outshot the opposition badly, but one to two weak goals a game is a killer, especially when the other team is getting decent netminding.

The Oilers just aren't getting enough saves. I've heard people say that Pickard has been good for us - he's 13-4 - so maybe he's an adequate backup? But A) look at who we've played in those games. He hasn't faced a lot of playoff-bound teams. And B) his save percentage is .901, just behind Skinner's .902. When we hit the playoffs, I don't think anyone should have a lot of faith that Pickard's going to be able to steal us a round or two... and even if Skinner doesn't falter (which we've seen him do the last two years in the post-season), he could get hurt forcing the back-up in to action. We need to upgrade here.

These two have provided merely adequate netminding for the Oilers this year. The defence has done a great job limiting chances, and while maybe a little underwhelming at 9th highest, the offence has done a lot of its job.

Goaltending is the glaring weakness, which is troubling because we've seen that win and lose series for teams in the past. We've seen Skinner play some great hockey, but it's so sporadic, and when he's bad, it's often really bad.

I hope the Oilers brass have been paying attention the last couple of games and are looking at options. There's no perfect solution right now, but standing pat is asking for trouble.


If not for Pickard last playoffs, we're done vs the Canucks. Massive gamble thinking that can all play out the same way again, especially if we're looking at a run to the playoffs like Colorado -> Vegas -> Winnipeg. I can't help but think it's automatic that Skinner will have another big lull that requires him to sit out for a while again.

Do feel like getting a 1B goalie should be top of the list this deadline. Would be nice to get a solid RHD too, but this team has shown the ability to play good team defense.

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