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Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840511]	Fri, 24 January 2025 20:07

Kr55
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Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

3 teams involved

Mikko Rantanen (50%), Taylor Hall to CAR
Martin Necas, Jack Drury, 2nd, 4th to COL
3rd to CHI for retention

Wow.

Carolina taking on the Hall curse for fun.

[Updated on: Fri, 24 January 2025 20:08]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840512 is a reply to message #840511 ]	Fri, 24 January 2025 21:03

oilfan94
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Location: USA

No Cups

It's crazy that Hall is basically a toss in on this deal. You would think that the Hawks would get a 3rd just for the salary retention, but they had to give up Hall, who you would think could get a 2nd at the trade deadline at least.

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Re: Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840513 is a reply to message #840512 ]	Fri, 24 January 2025 21:06

mightyreasoner
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Location: Edmonton

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oilfan94 wrote on Fri, 24 January 2025 21:03

The 3rd Round Pick original belonged to the Hawks, so this sets them up to make an offer sheet this summer (providing they have their first two, which I didn't look up).

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Re: Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840514 is a reply to message #840513 ]	Fri, 24 January 2025 21:18

oilfan94
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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 24 January 2025 23:06

oilfan94 wrote on Fri, 24 January 2025 21:03

The 3rd Round Pick original belonged to the Hawks, so this sets them up to make an offer sheet this summer (providing they have their first two, which I didn't look up).

They do have both their other picks. Interesting what they decide to do this summer.

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Re: Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840515 is a reply to message #840511 ]	Fri, 24 January 2025 21:38

smyth260
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Carolina is a well run team. They will make a cup run any year now.

They have already won the deadline. There will be nobody better than Rantanen. Hope we get something nicer than Sam Carrick…

Clean house or bust

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Re: Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840519 is a reply to message #840511 ]	Sat, 25 January 2025 11:26

NetBOG
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I can’t believe the Avs traded Rantanen. A top 5 in the world player who actually produces in the playoffs. Marty Necas is good but not on the same level. canes got way better overnight.

That being said, they also saddled themselves to the biggest loser in the league. You don’t succeed with Taylor Hall. Nobody ever has. The guy just keeps proving me right. Just a massive loser.

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Re: Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840520 is a reply to message #840519 ]	Sat, 25 January 2025 11:43

Kr55
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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:26

Sounds like Rantanen wants to get paid. Like 13M+. He got his cup and this is his last shot to secure the next 4 generations of Rantanen’s. If he wasn’t at all interested in a team friendly deal, I can see why the avs did this. Helps us in our conference at least.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840521 is a reply to message #840520 ]	Sat, 25 January 2025 11:46

NetBOG
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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:43

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:26

Basically, the same situation as Drai was in. You just gotta pay the guy. He’s worth it. So few guys the truly move the needle, you gotta keep them when you have them.

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Re: Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840522 is a reply to message #840521 ]	Sat, 25 January 2025 12:56

Kr55
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6 Cups

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:46

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:43

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:26

Basically, the same situation as Drai was in. You just gotta pay the guy. He’s worth it. So few guys the truly move the needle, you gotta keep them when you have them.

True, but I think Drai is quite a bit better than Rantanen, but Rantanen basically wants Drai money.

Probably has been some errors by the avs with guys they signed long term too. Ross Colton, Miles Wood, Middlestadt all sweet long term deals for what they bring. Nichushkin, don't know what's going on with that guy anymore. He's 1 substance abuse mistake away from a 1 year ban I think, and he stays fully on the cap if he does. Blackwood just put 5.5M on their cap next year and they may still need to go goalie shopping if he is only having a lucky run right now (remember when he didn't allow 3 in any avs game until he faced us? 3 GA in all his games since haha).

I do get the cap hell they have push themselves in now. Can definitely argue they should have stuck more with their top guys and been a little more picky about tossing money at other mid-range fowards.

[Updated on: Sat, 25 January 2025 13:01]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840526 is a reply to message #840521 ]	Sat, 25 January 2025 14:33

Jay
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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:46

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:43

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:26

Basically, the same situation as Drai was in. You just gotta pay the guy. He’s worth it. So few guys the truly move the needle, you gotta keep them when you have them.

Top 5 in the world?? You are going to see how wrong you are about Rantenen now that he won't be playing next to Mackinnon. Any team that pays him like a superstar is going to regret it for a long time but hopefully someone does.

Comparing him to Draisaitl is hillarious. Not in the same universe.

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

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Re: Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840592 is a reply to message #840526 ]	Tue, 28 January 2025 13:41

Adam
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Jay wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 14:33

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:46

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:43

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:26

Basically, the same situation as Drai was in. You just gotta pay the guy. He’s worth it. So few guys the truly move the needle, you gotta keep them when you have them.

I don't think it's as crazy as you think. He's not at the same level, but it's not a massive drop off. Over the last 5 years, he's fourth in scoring behind McD, Draisaitl & Mackinnon. He's 5th in goals (Matthews, Draisaitl, McDavid, Pastrnak), 11th in assists, 8th in points per game (McD, Kuch, MacK, Drai, Matthews, Marner, Panarin ahead). He's 3rd in TOI/game for forwards (MacKinnon & McDavid ahead). 9th in shots. 6th in +/- (3rd among forwards).

I think there's definitely an argument that he's been a top-five player in the world. At worst, he's been top-10.

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Re: Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840593 is a reply to message #840592 ]	Tue, 28 January 2025 14:10

Kr55
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

Adam wrote on Tue, 28 January 2025 13:41

Jay wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 14:33

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:46

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:43

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:26

Basically, the same situation as Drai was in. You just gotta pay the guy. He’s worth it. So few guys the truly move the needle, you gotta keep them when you have them.

Colorado shoulda won way more cups if they had 3 top 5 players in the world all this time :)

Nate does have 44 more 5v5 points (177 vs 133) than Rantanen in the last 3 years, in 8 less games.

I'll be curious to see how Rantanen does with the Canes. Without a doubt they got the better player for their playoff run. But, again, Hall. Run may already be over before it started.

[Updated on: Tue, 28 January 2025 15:05]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840594 is a reply to message #840592 ]	Tue, 28 January 2025 16:04

smyth260
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Registered: November 2007

1 Cup

Adam wrote on Tue, 28 January 2025 12:41

Jay wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 14:33

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:46

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:43

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 25 January 2025 11:26

Basically, the same situation as Drai was in. You just gotta pay the guy. He’s worth it. So few guys the truly move the needle, you gotta keep them when you have them.

Top 5 forward perhaps. Not a top 5 player. Realistically I think he’s the 3rd most important player on Colorado behind MacKinnon and Makar.

I have McDavid, Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Kucherov, J. Hughes, Makar, Hellebuyck, Shesterkin, Matthews ahead of him.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Big trade. Rantanen to CAR. Necas to COL [message #840606 is a reply to message #840511 ]	Wed, 29 January 2025 09:45

Kr55
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

Side note, Friedman said the Avs were only willing to go 11.75M for Rantanen.

Sakic might be a little overconfident in his ability to replace elite talent.

Weird Necas stats. He is having a crazy year of points, but he was actually dead last on the Canes in analytics measures. 45% high danger changes with 58% offensive zone starts. He's been the opposite of the kind of player the Canes typically go after this year, and what the Avs have targeted under Sakic, in terms of fancy stats. Sakic bought the absolute peak of Necas.

[Updated on: Wed, 29 January 2025 09:48]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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