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 Team Canada World Juniors 2024 / 2025 [message #839278]
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World Junior Selection Camp Roster
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Beau Akey gets invite.. Tij Iginla doesn't .. ?

Only 2 invites from the Q.. that league is losing relevance.

Small forwards.. 😬

Notable players not available to play.. .. Macklin Celibrini, Connor Bedard, and Zack Benson.. all in NHL.

Oh.. and realize this.. Gavin McKenna leads teh WHL in scoring.. and will dominate this tourney..

He's 16 .. 😲

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Name	S/C	Ht.	Wt.	Born	Hometown	Team	NHL Draft

Goaltenders

C.  Bjarnason	L	6’3”	202	06/30/05	Carberry, MB	Brandon (WHL)	PHI 2023 (2/51)
Carter George	L	6’1”	182	05/20/06	Thunder Bay, ON	Owen Sound (OHL)	LAK 2024 (2/57)
Jack Ivankovic	L	5’11”	179	05/22/07	Mississauga, ON	Brampton (OHL)	Rep. 2025 Draft
Scott Ratzlaff	L	6’1”	175	03/09/05	Irma, AB	Seattle (WHL)	BUF 2023 (5/141)

Defence

Cameron Allen	R	6’0”	196	01/07/05	Toronto, ON	Guelph (OHL)	WSH 2023 (5/136)
Beau Akey	R	6’0”	183	02/11/05	Waterloo, ON	Barrie (OHL)	EDM 2023 (2/56)
Oliver Bonk	R	6’2”	179	01/09/05	Ottawa, ON	London (OHL)	PHI 2023 (1/22)
H. Brunicke	R	6’3”	191	05/08/06	Calgary, AB	Kamloops (WHL)	PIT 2024 (2/44)
Sam Dickinson	L	6’3”	195	06/07/06	Toronto, ON	London (OHL)	SJS 2024 (1/11)
Andrew Gibson	R	6’4”	206	02/13/05	LaSalle, ON	Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)	DET 2023 (2/42)
Tanner Molendyk	L	6’0”	181	02/03/05	McBride, BC	Saskatoon (WHL)	NSH 2023 (1/24)
Sawyer Mynio	L	6’1”	180	04/30/05	Kamloops, BC	Seattle (WHL)	VAN 2023 (3/89)
Caden Price	L	6’1”	180	08/24/05	Saskatoon, SK	Kelowna (WHL)	SEA 2023 (3/84)
Matt Schaefer	L	6’2”	188	09/05/07	Hamilton, ON	Erie (OHL)	Rep. 2025 Draft


Forwards

Denver Barkey	L	5’9”	154	04/27/05	Newmarket, ON	London (OHL)	PHI 2023 (3/95)
Cole Beaudoin	L	6’2”	206	04/24/06	Kanata, ON	Barrie (OHL)	UHC 2024 (1/24)
Matt Cataford	R	5’11”	189	03/01/05	ChΓ’teauguay, QC	Rimouski (LHJMQ)	VGK 2023 (3/77)
Berkly Catton	L	5’10”	170	01/14/06	Saskatoon, SK	Spokane (WHL)	SEA 2024 (1/8)
Easton Cowan	L	5’11”	177	05/20/05	Mount Brydges, ON	London (OHL)	TOR 2023 (1/28)
Andrew Cristall	L	5'10	175	02/04/05	Burnaby, BC	Kelowna (WHL)	WSH 2023 (2/40)
Ethan Gauthier	R	5’11”	186	01/26/05	Drummondville, QC	Drummondville (LHJMQ)	TBL 2023 (2/37)
Riley Heidt	L	5’11”	182	03/25/05	Saskatoon, SK	Prince George (WHL)	MIN 2023 (2/64)
Tanner Howe	L	5’11”	182	11/28/05	Prince Albert, SK	Calgary (WHL)	PIT 2024 (2/46)
Jett Luchanko	R	5’11”	187	08/21/06	London, ON	Guelph (OHL)	PHI 2024 (1/13)
Porter Martone	R	6’3”	196	10/26/06	Peterborough, ON	Brampton (OHL)	Rep. 2025 Draft
Gavin McKenna	L	6’0”	183	12/20/07	Whitehorse, YT	Medicine Hat (WHL)	Rep. 2026 Draft
Bradly Nadeau	R	5’10”	161	05/05/05	Saint-FranΓ§ois-de-Madawaska, NB	Chicago (AHL)	CAR 2023 (1/30)
Luca Pinelli	L	5’9”	169	04/05/05	Stoney Creek, ON	Ottawa (OHL)	CBJ 2023 (4/114)
Carson Rehkopf	L	6’1”	195	01/07/05	Vaughan, ON	Brampton (OHL)	SEA 2023 (2/50)
Calum Ritchie	R	6’2”	179	01/21/05	Oakville, ON	Oshawa (OHL)	COL 2023 (1/27)
Matthew Wood	R	6’3”	190	02/06/05	Nanaimo, BC	University of Minnesota (Big Ten)	NSH 2023 (1/15)
Brayden Yager	R	6’0”	170	01/03/05	Saskatoon, SK	Lethbridge (WHL)	PIT 2023 (1/14)

[Updated on: Tue, 03 December 2024 12:35]

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 Re: Team Canada World Juniors 2024 / 2025 [message #839280 is a reply to message #839278 ]
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I'm hopeful Gavin McKenna gets a spot. He's the first guy from the dub I've made a point of going to see in a while. I think Canada gets too cute and too political with player selection. My personal soft spot for the Yukon aside, just pick the best players

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 Re: Team Canada World Juniors 2024 / 2025 [message #839283 is a reply to message #839280 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 02 December 2024 22:13

I'm hopeful Gavin McKenna gets a spot. He's the first guy from the dub I've made a point of going to see in a while. I think Canada gets too cute and too political with player selection. My personal soft spot for the Yukon aside, just pick the best players


Absolute Truth.

IMO Canada's worst obstacle to winning these tournaments is the guys picking the teams.. we always have the roster that can beat anyone.. we just have to pick them.

When Canada was on top every year in the WJHC's they'd start going "equity" mode and making sure they had equal representation of Q players when there were better choices in the WHL or OHL.. even some NCAA guys were passed over because they weren't in the CHL.. hockey Canada played politics because they thought it didn't matter who they picked for the roster.. everyone wanted a piece of the glow of glory.

The coach they chose this year (Dave Cameron) is the same as last year.. came in 6th.. guy is the same world juniors coach for that EPIC 3rd period melt down gold medal loss vs. Russia in 2011 (in Buffalo).. Canada was up by 3-0 in the 3rd period .. Russia scored 2 goals in 13 seconds in the 3rd.. Cameron called a timeout after it was tied (too late) and proceeded to have a melt-down on the bench reaming the kids out.. you could see the kids sag from it.. after that they went out and promptly gave up 2 more goals.. lost 5-3... not my choice for this year's coach.

McKenna's a lock icon_nod

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 Re: Team Canada World Juniors 2024 / 2025 [message #839505 is a reply to message #839283 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 03 December 2024 12:23

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 02 December 2024 22:13

I'm hopeful Gavin McKenna gets a spot. He's the first guy from the dub I've made a point of going to see in a while. I think Canada gets too cute and too political with player selection. My personal soft spot for the Yukon aside, just pick the best players


Absolute Truth.

IMO Canada's worst obstacle to winning these tournaments is the guys picking the teams.. we always have the roster that can beat anyone.. we just have to pick them.

When Canada was on top every year in the WJHC's they'd start going "equity" mode and making sure they had equal representation of Q players when there were better choices in the WHL or OHL.. even some NCAA guys were passed over because they weren't in the CHL.. hockey Canada played politics because they thought it didn't matter who they picked for the roster.. everyone wanted a piece of the glow of glory.

The coach they chose this year (Dave Cameron) is the same as last year.. came in 6th.. guy is the same world juniors coach for that EPIC 3rd period melt down gold medal loss vs. Russia in 2011 (in Buffalo).. Canada was up by 3-0 in the 3rd period .. Russia scored 2 goals in 13 seconds in the 3rd.. Cameron called a timeout after it was tied (too late) and proceeded to have a melt-down on the bench reaming the kids out.. you could see the kids sag from it.. after that they went out and promptly gave up 2 more goals.. lost 5-3... not my choice for this year's coach.

McKenna's a lock icon_nod


Looks like Akey is on the team according to TSN

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 Re: Team Canada World Juniors 2024 / 2025 [message #839506 is a reply to message #839505 ]
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welcometotheOC wrote on Fri, 13 December 2024 18:15

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 03 December 2024 12:23

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 02 December 2024 22:13

I'm hopeful Gavin McKenna gets a spot. He's the first guy from the dub I've made a point of going to see in a while. I think Canada gets too cute and too political with player selection. My personal soft spot for the Yukon aside, just pick the best players


Absolute Truth.

IMO Canada's worst obstacle to winning these tournaments is the guys picking the teams.. we always have the roster that can beat anyone.. we just have to pick them.

When Canada was on top every year in the WJHC's they'd start going "equity" mode and making sure they had equal representation of Q players when there were better choices in the WHL or OHL.. even some NCAA guys were passed over because they weren't in the CHL.. hockey Canada played politics because they thought it didn't matter who they picked for the roster.. everyone wanted a piece of the glow of glory.

The coach they chose this year (Dave Cameron) is the same as last year.. came in 6th.. guy is the same world juniors coach for that EPIC 3rd period melt down gold medal loss vs. Russia in 2011 (in Buffalo).. Canada was up by 3-0 in the 3rd period .. Russia scored 2 goals in 13 seconds in the 3rd.. Cameron called a timeout after it was tied (too late) and proceeded to have a melt-down on the bench reaming the kids out.. you could see the kids sag from it.. after that they went out and promptly gave up 2 more goals.. lost 5-3... not my choice for this year's coach.

McKenna's a lock icon_nod


Looks like Akey is on the team according to TSN



Oh wow!

Pretty significant decision by TC.. Akey didn't even play last year.. he must be really impressing people.. he's got excellent mobility.. good smarts.. we'll have an Oiler to watch for once on TC juniors.. been a while! πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ»

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 Re: Team Canada World Juniors 2024 / 2025 [message #839556 is a reply to message #839278 ]
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Akey interview after being named to team..
https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/video/oilers-prospect-akey- learned-patience-overcoming-injuries~3047688

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 Re: Team Canada World Juniors 2024 / 2025 [message #839557 is a reply to message #839278 ]
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ROSTER

National Junior Team Selection Camp Roster
Name	S/C	Ht.	Wt.	Born	Hometown	Team	NHL Draft
Goaltenders
Carson Bjarnason	L	6’3”	202	06/30/05	Carberry, MB	Brandon (WHL)	PHI 2023 (2/51)
Carter George	L	6’1”	182	05/20/06	Thunder Bay, ON	Owen Sound (OHL)	LAK 2024 (2/57)
Jack Ivankovic	L	5’11”	179	05/22/07	Mississauga, ON	Brampton (OHL)	Rep. 2025 Draft
Scott Ratzlaff	L	6’1”	175	03/09/05	Irma, AB	Seattle (WHL)	BUF 2023 (5/141)
Defence
Cameron Allen	R	6’0”	196	01/07/05	Toronto, ON	Guelph (OHL)	WSH 2023 (5/136)
Beau Akey	R	6’0”	183	02/11/05	Waterloo, ON	Barrie (OHL)	EDM 2023 (2/56)
Oliver Bonk	R	6’2”	179	01/09/05	Ottawa, ON	London (OHL)	PHI 2023 (1/22)
Sam Dickinson	L	6’3”	195	06/07/06	Toronto, ON	London (OHL)	SJS 2024 (1/11)
Andrew Gibson	R	6’4”	206	02/13/05	LaSalle, ON	Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)	DET 2023 (2/42)
Tanner Molendyk	L	6’0”	181	02/03/05	McBride, BC	Saskatoon (WHL)	NSH 2023 (1/24)
Sawyer Mynio	L	6’1”	180	04/30/05	Kamloops, BC	Seattle (WHL)	VAN 2023 (3/89)
Zayne Parekh	R	6'0	180	02/15/06	Nobleton, ON	Saginaw (OHL)	CGY 2024 (1/9)
Caden Price	L	6’1”	180	08/24/05	Saskatoon, SK	Kelowna (WHL)	SEA 2023 (3/84)
Matthew Schaefer	L	6’2”	188	09/05/07	Hamilton, ON	Erie (OHL)	Rep. 2025 Draft
Forwards
Denver Barkey	L	5’9”	154	04/27/05	Newmarket, ON	London (OHL)	PHI 2023 (3/95)
Cole Beaudoin	L	6’2”	206	04/24/06	Kanata, ON	Barrie (OHL)	UHC 2024 (1/24)
Mathieu Cataford	R	5’11”	189	03/01/05	ChΓ’teauguay, QC	Rimouski (LHJMQ)	VGK 2023 (3/77)
Berkly Catton	L	5’10”	170	01/14/06	Saskatoon, SK	Spokane (WHL)	SEA 2024 (1/8)
Easton Cowan	L	5’11”	177	05/20/05	Mount Brydges, ON	London (OHL)	TOR 2023 (1/28)
Andrew Cristall	L	5'10	175	02/04/05	Burnaby, BC	Kelowna (WHL)	WSH 2023 (2/40)
Ethan Gauthier	R	5’11”	186	01/26/05	Drummondville, QC	Drummondville (LHJMQ)	TBL 2023 (2/37)
Riley Heidt	L	5’11”	182	03/25/05	Saskatoon, SK	Prince George (WHL)	MIN 2023 (2/64)
Tanner Howe	L	5’11”	182	11/28/05	Prince Albert, SK	Calgary (WHL)	PIT 2024 (2/46)
Jett Luchanko	R	5’11”	187	08/21/06	London, ON	Guelph (OHL)	PHI 2024 (1/13)
Porter Martone	R	6’3”	196	10/26/06	Peterborough, ON	Brampton (OHL)	Rep. 2025 Draft
Gavin McKenna	L	6’0”	183	12/20/07	Whitehorse, YT	Medicine Hat (WHL)	Rep. 2026 Draft
Bradly Nadeau	R	5’10”	161	05/05/05	Saint-FranΓ§ois-de-Madawaska, NB	Chicago (AHL)	CAR 2023 (1/30)
Luca Pinelli	L	5’9”	169	04/05/05	Stoney Creek, ON	Ottawa (OHL)	CBJ 2023 (4/114)
Carson Rehkopf	L	6’1”	195	01/07/05	Vaughan, ON	Brampton (OHL)	SEA 2023 (2/50)
Calum Ritchie	R	6’2”	179	01/21/05	Oakville, ON	Oshawa (OHL)	COL 2023 (1/27)
Beckett Sennecke	R	6'3"	178	01/28/06	Toronto, ON	Oshawa (OHL)	ANA 2024 (1/3)
Matthew Wood	R	6’3”	190	02/06/05	Nanaimo, BC	University of Minnesota (Big Ten)	NSH 2023 (1/15)
Brayden Yager	R	6’0”	170	01/03/05	Saskatoon, SK	Lethbridge (WHL)	PIT 2023 (1/14)

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 Re: Team Canada World Juniors 2024 / 2025 [message #839558 is a reply to message #839278 ]
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CHL article that includes a blurb on Akey..
https://chl.ca/article/pinelli-akey-mynio-relish-opportunity -to-represent-canada-on-the-international-stage-for-the-firs t-time-at-the-2025-world-juniors/

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Similarly, Anholt offered praise for OHL and Barrie Colts defenceman Beau Akey, whose season in 2023-24 was significantly reduced to only 14 games due to double shoulder surgery.

β€œThere’s a guy who defends with his legs. He can really, really deny entries into the zone. The way he skates,” said Anholt. β€œHe’s probably one of the guys that we got to continue to get to know better, especially the coaching staff.”

Earlier in the week, in a conversation with DailyFaceoff’s Steven Ellis, a scout likened Akey to Minnesota Wild defenceman Brock Faber, suggesting that he is β€œbetter than his stats suggest” and highlighted the 19-year-old’s skating, speed, and footwork as part of the reasons why β€œhe’s one of the OHL’s elite blueliners”. Despite the confidence of some in Akey’s game, it didn’t prevent him and his Barrie Colts teammate Cole Beaudoin from feeling some nerves ahead of the roster announcement.

β€œWe were sitting beside each other on the bus [after the game on Friday], kind of like: β€˜wow, there’s nothing that we can do now.’ And we were both talking about how nervous we were,” shared the Edmonton Oilers prospect, who described the moments he shared with Beaudoin after Friday’s second and final game against the U SPORTS Selects. β€œIt’s pretty cool to celebrate something like this with [Beaudoin].”

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Bad effort vs Latvia.. one of the refs was useless.. weak calls on Canada.. had 2 PP goals against.. Latvia was not even in the game until those went in..

That being said.. the coach.. Cameron.. should never see the bench on a Team Canada again.. TSN guys were saying he tore strips off the players on the bench tonight.. Cameron's trademark.. reason we lost in 2011 IMHO.. the guy is not a leader of men.. old or young.

Defense is solid.. forwards look unimpressive.. except for McKenna.. so far they can't work a power play.. can't seem to get much of a cycle going on.. a pre-tournament favourite.. Porter Martone.. looks like a plumber..

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This team is brutal. What was Hockey Canada thinking when they put this group together?

Barely staying ahead of Germany, who is the bottom of the barrel so far in this tournament. You would think that Canada would have come out wanting to absolutely stomp the Germans (after the Latvia disaster), but nope, we're stuck in another substandard effort. Not even close to good enough. We thought that a fifth place finish last year was shocking... this team may not even make it into the knockout games.

Decent on talent, but there's no "team" element. Everyone just skating around playing individual games.

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HamBlaster wrote on Sun, 29 December 2024 18:01

This team is brutal. What was Hockey Canada thinking when they put this group together?

Barely staying ahead of Germany, who is the bottom of the barrel so far in this tournament. You would think that Canada would have come out wanting to absolutely stomp the Germans (after the Latvia disaster), but nope, we're stuck in another substandard effort. Not even close to good enough. We thought that a fifth place finish last year was shocking... this team may not even make it into the knockout games.

Decent on talent, but there's no "team" element. Everyone just skating around playing individual games.



Tend to agree .. this is an unusually weak team with respect to team speed, size of forwards, and overall skill.. their best skilled players are all 17 year olds.. G. McKenna, and M. Schaeffer .. Schaeffer is now out with a broken collar bone in game 2.. he was their best D-man.. plus a scoring threat.. rest of them look like plugs.

Eight (8) forwards under 6 ft.. only four (4) forwards over 6 ft. .. some small forwards in the group.. who are also not very fast.

On the positive side.. the goaltender (Carter George) looks dialed in.. he's a positive.. maybe this is the year we ride a goalie to the Gold.. ?

Defence looks relatively solid, good speed, size, and smarts.. Akey has looked pretty good.. when Cameron plays him.. sparingly

Dave Cameron is not a good coach, not sure how he weaseled himself in with Hockey Canada.. again.. he does not bring players together.. and his coaching.. his best player is Mckenna, and he hardly uses him.. TC has had a useless PP.. and Cameron still has their best skilled player, with the best shot.. playing the 2nd PP unit.. he's an idiot.

And how about the player selections Hockey Canada.. they selected Five (5) London Knights.. the two defencemen have been alright.. but the 3 London forwards have been un-impressive.

IMO Team Canada always has the players to win any international tournament.. the failures result from the people within Hockey Canada selecting the the wrong players.. this years team is not strong.. blame Hockey Canada.


FORWARDS

Matt Cataford	R	5’11”	189	 (playing "OK")

Berkly Catton	L	5’10”	170	 (playing with McKenna, has been effective.. likely because of playing with McKenna)

Easton Cowan	L	5’11”	177	 (highly touted, showboat, hangs on to the puck too much, perimeter player, London Knight, Leaf draft pick)

Ethan Gauthier	R	5’11”	186	 (slow, haven't seen any particular scoring skills).. Plug-like

Tanner Howe	L	5’11”	182   (slow, haven't seen any particular scoring skills).. Plug-like

Jett Luchanko	R	5’11”	187   (slow, haven't seen any particular scoring skills).. Plug-like

Bradly Nadeau	R	5’10”	161	(slow, haven't seen any particular scoring skills..).. Plug-like

Luca Pinelli	L	5’9”	169	(playing with McKenna, has been effective.. likely because of playing with McKenna))

Gavin McKenna	L	6’0”	183	(All-World skills, quick, and high level puck smarts, wicked shot)

Brayden Yager	R	6’0”	170	(slow, haven't seen any particular scoring skills.. not noticeable.)

Carson Rehkopf	L	6’1”	195	(Scratched until Germany game.. and then not noticeable in it)

Cole Beaudoin	L	6’2”	206	(slow, haven't seen any particular scoring skills, plays heavy)

Calum Ritchie	R	6’2”	179	(has speed, good skills, works hard, cycles, one of the best forwards)

Porter Martone	R	6’3”	196	 (He was projected as a potential #1 in the upcoming draft, healthy scratched last game.. stock has plummeted, he was un-noticeable in the Latvia game)


Oh and they they cut this guy..

Matthew Wood	R	6’3”	190	
(they cut Wood, who was on last year's team.. plays NCAA at Minnesota, high skill and speed.. Hockey Canada doing politics again.. CHL over NCAA.. can't tell me Penelli is better than Wood .. )

[Updated on: Mon, 30 December 2024 16:35]

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 Re: Team Canada World Juniors 2024 / 2025 [message #839823 is a reply to message #839822 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 30 December 2024 17:31



IMO Team Canada always has the players to win any international tournament..
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I disagree with this part of your post. While I think, in general, Canada still has the top overall hockey talent, the gap is much smaller.
In a best on best tourney with all players available Canada should have a team to win. In a junior tourney there is a much higher chance that the best teenagers are simply not as strong (or much stronger) than any other given year.

I dont pay attention to much junior hockey but the minute they announced the camp invite list I thought Canada was in trouble. I recognized VERY few of the names.

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The refs are total crap.. any of these clowns would be put to shame by the average CHL ref.. however..

..this is the Worst Team Canada WHJC forward group in years .. .. no speed.. no smarts.. no shots.. SMALL.. no power play.. NO GOALS.. NO wins.. feel sorry for the fans in Ottawa..


Goalie literally needs a shutout to win a game.. TC goalies haven't allowed a 5v5 goal in the tournament and will finish 3rd in their group.. and likely out in the 1st round..

Everyone at Hockey Canada involved in selecting this team.. top to bottom (except for whoever picked the goalie).. needs to be fired and never allowed near it again.

Abysmal work by Hockey Canada.

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I think it's time for Hockey Canada to come to god again and do a refocus. They did it in the 90s after the World Cup or maybe Nagano and it set us on the right path for success. The entire elite / youth / junior system is in chaos right now and we're seeing the results. Things that need to be addressed (in my opinion):

Major junior teams can't compete unless they take massive cupboard emptying swings
Major junior, at the stock of a pen in America, became a feeder system for the NCAA
The BCHL left Hockey Canada because a better path to the NCAA was needed
Junior A is essentially pointless now
The academy system is now limiting growth potential in hockey in the early teen year (I blame this most of all for the problems we're seeing at the world junior tournament)

I think the solution is a european soccer style tiering of junior hockey and making a premier league for the memorial cup, Turn U18 into U17, and maybe making the bottom tiers of u21 into u20. I have no idea what can be done about the academy system, but it sure seems to me like these elite teams are all playing the same kind of hockey now.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 02 January 2025 10:22

I think it's time for Hockey Canada to come to god again and do a refocus. They did it in the 90s after the World Cup or maybe Nagano and it set us on the right path for success. The entire elite / youth / junior system is in chaos right now and we're seeing the results. Things that need to be addressed (in my opinion):

Major junior teams can't compete unless they take massive cupboard emptying swings
Major junior, at the stock of a pen in America, became a feeder system for the NCAA
The BCHL left Hockey Canada because a better path to the NCAA was needed
Junior A is essentially pointless now
The academy system is now limiting growth potential in hockey in the early teen year (I blame this most of all for the problems we're seeing at the world junior tournament)

I think the solution is a european soccer style tiering of junior hockey and making a premier league for the memorial cup, Turn U18 into U17, and maybe making the bottom tiers of u21 into u20. I have no idea what can be done about the academy system, but it sure seems to me like these elite teams are all playing the same kind of hockey now.



I think this is absolutely true.. the "academy" is just an advance hockey school for kids with wealthy parents.. having a kid in rep hockey is expensive enough.. now these "academies" make it even more expensive..


A Hypothesis:

The COST of putting a kid through hockey at the rep level.. the elite level.. causes the selection pool of kids advancing through the system of elite level hockey .. to become exclusionary.

The huge cost acts to limit the percentage (and probability) of kids with great natural athletic ability and physical attributes (eg. size, strength) that will be able to move on to elite level youth hockey ..

Instead the youth system favours those kids with wealthy parents.. due to the huge cost, the major selection criteria to move through elite level hockey tends to become wealth of parents..

A "Gordie Howe" would still be farming with this model.

At that age the extra skill development (and ice time) a kid gets by going to an "academy" or elite hockey school.. is enough to separate them in skill and skating level from the kids just playing hockey during hockey season.. so when its time to select rep teams in the fall.. the hockey school kids will displace kids that might have more natural athletic ability and better physical attributes.. and more future potential.. These kids will never get the opportunity to develop and realize their true potential.

A few of the kids with wealthy parents that do advance through the youth system go on to be great pro players (i.e. Cellibrini) .. but at a certain point a lot of these kids (those with less natural ability and physical attributes) eventually plateau .. they don't get much better when they get older.. they've reached their maximum ability level at the youth level.. maybe enough to make the CHL.. or get drafted.. then fall of the map.

IMO the academies and hockey schools act as a magnifier to natural abilities.. a kid with high natural ability will have their hockey skills magnified to a higher level than a kid with less.. however, a kid with less natural ability will tend to reach a higher hockey level than a kid with more natural ability that does not receive the magnifying effect of going to an academy.

Essentially, the huge cost eliminates a very large pool of potential hockey stars from ever developing.. which was not a major impediment in years (decades) past..

Don't know how you fix it.. the extra training develops kids faster and to a higher level.. maybe make youth sport costs to families tax deductions?

Just a working hypothesis.. :)

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That's basically my working hypothesis too.

I don't think you can ever force rich people not to spend money on their kids and we should stop trying to dictate how other people spend their money. I think the fix comes when the next generation of coaches and managers realize they've overvalued success in parts of youth hockey and realize there's a ton of untapped talent being wasted.

OR

An updated version of the Broadstreet Bullies wins the Cup and everyone remembers hitting is kind of fun.



In the short run I don't see HC changing how it operates the junior program.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 02 January 2025 15:59

That's basically my working hypothesis too.

I don't think you can ever force rich people not to spend money on their kids and we should stop trying to dictate how other people spend their money. I think the fix comes when the next generation of coaches and managers realize they've overvalued success in parts of youth hockey and realize there's a ton of untapped talent being wasted.

OR

An updated version of the Broadstreet Bullies wins the Cup and everyone remembers hitting is kind of fun.



In the short run I don't see HC changing how it operates the junior program.


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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 02 January 2025 12:59

That's basically my working hypothesis too.

I don't think you can ever force rich people not to spend money on their kids and we should stop trying to dictate how other people spend their money. I think the fix comes when the next generation of coaches and managers realize they've overvalued success in parts of youth hockey and realize there's a ton of untapped talent being wasted.

OR

An updated version of the Broadstreet Bullies wins the Cup and everyone remembers hitting is kind of fun.



In the short run I don't see HC changing how it operates the junior program.



Hockey Canada can only really pick what is developed up to the CHL.. IMO the problem happens at the rep level.. too much natural ability is never realized.. it gets displaced by the academy kids.. who many never get much better because they have less natural ability.. I think the cost is the issue.. that's why I thought a tax deduction (up to a limit!) might help kids whose parents are less equipped financially (I'd apply this for all competitive kids sports)

That being said.. HC needs to have a better selection process for the players they do have available.. this team's forward group is awful.. and the coach is bad.. there are/were better options..
Current HC staff needs to be fired

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I'm still hopeful vs. Czechia.. I'll always be a Team Canada optimist.. but I can't really see that forward group out scoring the Czechs.. Carter George and the defense will have to be all world..

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And once again poor discipline ends Team Canada's hopes. You'd think they would learn...

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Please... can we never let Dave Cameron ever coach one of these teams again? Forget these kids... he couldn't coach a team of Prongers, Yzermans and Roys to victory anymore. And retire Peter Anholt as well; that turkey is also totally overcooked.

Cameron is washed up and the players haven't listened to him in years. The Canadian hockey program needs a MASSIVE overhaul, and it begins with the reasons why parents get players to lace up skates. It's a business now, not a game... and Canada is running a particularly terrible iteration of that business.

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I recorded it and then a friend texted me to say they lost.. so I'm not going to watch it.. I read teh TSN transcript.. sounds like penalties did them in. This is a crap selection of players for TC but those refs are extra-terrible this year.. no way Canada should have that many more penalties than anyone else.. I saw the all the games (except for the last one) most of the calls were butter soft.. and lots not called the other way.. not that we had a functioning power play anyway..

It wasn't like Canada running around running guys undisciplined.. most of the penalties were marginal interpretations by weak refs.

Here's the Stats for penalties.. Canada has the most.. double the USA.. which is BS for an entire tournament.. no way USA didn't have similar infractions..
TC essentially played shorthanded for almost a period a game.


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Most Penaties

rnk	team              gp	2	5	10	gm	mp	pim	pavg

1	 Canada           5	34	1	2	1	0	113	22:36
2	 Kazakhstan       5	27	1	0	1	0	79	15:48
3	 Czechia          5	26	1	0	1	0	77	15:24
4	 Finland          5	20	1	0	1	0	65	13:00
5	 United States    5	25	0	0	0	0	50	10:00
6	 Switzerland      5	24	0	0	0	0	48	9:36
7	 Latvia           5	22	0	0	0	0	44	8:48
8	 Sweden           5	19	0	0	0	0	38	7:36



Cameron is awful.. he's always been awful.. .. I suspect he keeps trying to get back to coach TC for the massive exposure he gets because he thinks he can use it to slip his way back into the NHL

Anyway.. Hope our real team eviscerates the 3 nations we play in February.

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Oh I just read that the refs for the Canada-Czech game were a Finn and USA.. LOL .. like they wouldn't have a bias..
Freaking IIHF.. garbage organization .. almost as pathetic as the IOC.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 03 January 2025 00:05

Oh I just read that the refs for the Canada-Czech game were a Finn and USA.. LOL .. like they wouldn't have a bias..
Freaking IIHF.. garbage organization .. almost as pathetic as the IOC.

There's no point in complaining about the refs ever. It's the pathway of the Canucks fan. Focus on what can be controlled. Canada should know going into every tournament they're going to have trouble with officiating and figure out how to overcome it. Complaining doesn't work.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 03 January 2025 03:05

Oh I just read that the refs for the Canada-Czech game were a Finn and USA.. LOL .. like they wouldn't have a bias..
Freaking IIHF.. garbage organization .. almost as pathetic as the IOC.


I thought the reffing was fine for the most part. TC players kept leading with their knees when going to make hits. That's getting called every time, especially at the juniors.

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Well at least it wasn't just Canada getting hosed by incompetent refs.. look at this garbage call vs. Finland..
https://x.com/Fortuna_EU/status/1875694236324262266

The problem is the Euro teams know these IIHF refs are looking to call infractions, even imaginary ones, so the players give them what they are hoping to find.. even if an acting job is required..

The IIHF is even worse for game management than the NHL, if a weak team is playing a skilled team, the bar height is set differently for a penalty.. they keep throwing bones to the weak team in the form of powerplays just to try and keep the game close.. and sometimes you get the single game upset.. like Sweden getting bounced by Finland today.. not so much an upset.. but powerplays played a part.

IIHF refs are crap..


.. and HC management is a close 2nd place.

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