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Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838956]	Sat, 16 November 2024 19:30

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838962 is a reply to message #838956 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 19:46

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Skinner is garbage.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838964 is a reply to message #838962 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 19:48

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Legit garbage. What was he even doing on the GW? Off-balance, flailing around.

Reaves needs a nice crosscheck to the teeth for that hit on Nurse. What a loser.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838965 is a reply to message #838962 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 19:52

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tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 20:46

Skinner is garbage.

You have posted yourself doing the splits, classic goalie look. Are you, or were you, a goalie? I ask because I haven't seen anyone with actual goalie knowledge post in here for a while.

Like many of us that played "out" goalies are voodoo to me. Sometimes Skinner looks great, other times, beer league quality.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838967 is a reply to message #838965 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 20:07

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PlusOne wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 02:52

tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 20:46

Skinner is garbage.

Yes

However I understand beer league goalie is much different than professional so take what I say with a grain of salt lol.

With that said Skinner is trash. His lateral movements and flexibility are both horrendous and lead to some easy goals that I legit think in would save. I have been to live games and he gives up goals that just make me scratch my hand. He is way out of position on so many goals , and he won't even be screened or anything. It just makes no sense to me. I give credit where credit is due. Last year he went on a hot streak and had some beautiful games. This year it hasn't happened. If he was even half decent we would likely be first place right now. I understand the defense hasn't been great, and special teams earlier was horrendous. But Skinner is a major concern right now.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838981 is a reply to message #838967 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 23:19

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Stolarz outplayed Stu badly in this game, and it's funny that we once had him in our system.

Sometimes guys just emerge out of nowhere, but it makes you question our organization's ability to evaluate goaltending talent (ermmm... which is DS still a coach again?).

It's been a pretty consistent theme that the other team's goalie plays lights out, or at least better than our own. Skinner needs to figure this nonsense out, and the D in front of him need to not have massive breakdowns two to four times a game.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838963 is a reply to message #838956 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 19:47

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Got that “every good chance against is gonna go in” feeling again.

Bouch brutal plays for sure. We was crap to start last year too, but ended up playing the best defense of any Oilers D in a while last playoffs. Have faith he will get it together again. Skinner on the other hand, think we are banking on mental health coaching finding new ways to hit the right buttons. Maybe or maybe not possible.

And just as we find a good second pair with Nurse on the right with Kulak, we lose Nurse to a trash hit by Reaves. Unbelievable.

[Updated on: Sat, 16 November 2024 19:49]

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838968 is a reply to message #838963 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 20:15

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Exactly. I just don't trust Skinner to ever make a big game saver to keep us in it

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838969 is a reply to message #838968 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 20:21

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tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 20:15

Exactly. I just don't trust Skinner to ever make a big game saver to keep us in it

Hard to overcome an .818 game. Of course Bouch didn't help...
nono

...this time, it's for real (isn't it?).

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838971 is a reply to message #838968 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 20:23

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tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 19:15

Exactly. I just don't trust Skinner to ever make a big game saver to keep us in it

He's a back up.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838970 is a reply to message #838956 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 20:22

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Bouchard is back. Stupid Stupid pass on the 2-2.. zero.. zero effort.. and absolutely no awareness .. on the 3-2

Hope Oilers remember plays like this in any contract talks with him.. he's the type of guy that could be a boat anchor cap hit in short order.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838972 is a reply to message #838970 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 20:26

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Yup agreed with all of you. Team is finally getting it going too. It's a shame. If we had a solid goalie we could be first place. Beyond frustrating when you have to score four or five goals every game to win

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838973 is a reply to message #838972 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 20:36

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tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 19:26

You got Connor McDavid, he dominates.. and you STILL can't win.. defense and goalie.

Defense except for Bouchard played not bad.. and Skinner can't make a big save.

He got out classed by STOLARZ .. wow faint

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838974 is a reply to message #838973 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 20:38

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 03:36

tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 19:26

It's so frustrating.

We have the Canadians next. We better friggin win that game

I just don't want to finish as a wild card. Playing a team like Vegas first round is scary

If we make playoffs

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838975 is a reply to message #838956 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 20:45

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Hope Nurse is OK.. that was one of the dirtiest hits I've seen since Clarke Stevens was scrambling guys brains like a 4 egg Denver omelet.. Reaves should get 8 games.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838976 is a reply to message #838975 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 21:02

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That was such a nasty hit. They haven't said anything. Reaves is such a sack of sh it. Beyond disgusting

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838977 is a reply to message #838976 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 21:36

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That Reeves hit is complete BS. The league needs to throw the book at him and set an example.

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838978 is a reply to message #838977 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 21:38

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Jay wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 04:36

That Reeves hit is complete BS. The league needs to throw the book at him and set an example.

Agreed. That was sickening and uncalled for. Reaves should be out of the league. Just a complete goof. Makes me sick

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838979 is a reply to message #838978 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 22:15

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tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 21:38

Jay wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 04:36

That Reeves hit is complete BS. The league needs to throw the book at him and set an example.

Agreed. That was sickening and uncalled for. Reaves should be out of the league. Just a complete goof. Makes me sick

Guy single handedly costed the Leafs multiple playoff games with dumb penalties and dumb plays. Treliving is a goof for keeping him around. Although, for the vast majority of hockey fans, seeing the Leafs intentionally handicap themselves is enjoyable.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838980 is a reply to message #838979 ]	Sat, 16 November 2024 23:03

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Two best players in the league and the team is doing nothing to shore up the obvious problems that keep plaguing this team. Or making beyond spectacular fails (Campbell) attempting to do so. Get a real starter and guarantee this team turns around into a contender.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838982 is a reply to message #838979 ]	Sun, 17 November 2024 09:23

Jay
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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 22:15

tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 21:38

Jay wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 04:36

That Reeves hit is complete BS. The league needs to throw the book at him and set an example.

Agreed. That was sickening and uncalled for. Reaves should be out of the league. Just a complete goof. Makes me sick

Phone hearing apparently so max 5 games. No surprise.

I don't really agree that the leafs are handicapping themselves though - the league allows this stuff to happen so it seems to me like you might as well play ball.

They got a 5 minute penalty and lost a player for a few games who is useless anyway (except for things like this). They killed off the penalty and got a 5-3 themselves a few minutes later to even things up.

So the leafs took out an Oilers dman - probably for a while - and won the game.

Steve Maccintyre still skating these days? Especially in the regular season what's the downside in having one of these guys who's only role is to go out and try to injure the other teams actual players?

It's weird that when Torres was doing this they eventually got tired of it and started actually punishing him but I guess that was a different DOPS.

Realistically if they actually wanted to dissuade this kind of thing they would be holding the coach/team responsible instead of the player.

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838983 is a reply to message #838982 ]	Sun, 17 November 2024 10:10

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Jay wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 09:23

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 22:15

tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 21:38

Jay wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 04:36

That Reeves hit is complete BS. The league needs to throw the book at him and set an example.

Agreed. That was sickening and uncalled for. Reaves should be out of the league. Just a complete goof. Makes me sick

Having a guy that has the sole value of potentially injuring someone on the other team and getting a 5 min major? It hasn’t worked out well at all for the Leafs so far when the games matter. Torres could actually play hockey. Reaves out on the ice is basically playing shorthanded.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838984 is a reply to message #838983 ]	Sun, 17 November 2024 10:49

Jay
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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 10:10

Jay wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 09:23

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 22:15

tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 21:38

Jay wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 04:36

That Reeves hit is complete BS. The league needs to throw the book at him and set an example.

Agreed. That was sickening and uncalled for. Reaves should be out of the league. Just a complete goof. Makes me sick

Who do you think came out of that game worse off?

The Leafs won the game. Reeves played 5 minutes or whatever and took a penalty that meant absolutely nothing.

The Oilers lost and had to kill a 5-3 a few minutes later despite not playing Steve Macintyre at all. Nurse will be out for a while (I assume) and he was just starting to look good. I'm guessing whenever he is back in the lineup he isn't going to be fully engaged for a long time. So the Oilers paper thin defence is now even thinner. Even if they had won the game they still lost.

You can say that teams shouldn't have these kinds of players, and I agree, but in the NHL today does it really hurt the team playing them? The Leafs didn't look hurt tonight.

The playoffs are different because the margin for error is so thin. But even the Vegas series a few years ago. When the tide shifted in that series petrangelo set the standard for how to beat the Oilers in the playoffs. Yeah you might get a penalty or even a suspension but it's all going to even out in the end - there will be ticky tac calls the other way that will essentially even it up. And they won the cup. Or Bennett this year taking out Marchand and Knies. Yes those guys can play hockey too but the point is that intentionally injuring the other teams players is effective and accepted by the league. So if you play a plug a couple of minutes a night to do it the outcome is the same as if a 3rd liner does it in 15 minutes.

The refs on the are never going to hold players accountable. They only know how to call roughly the same number of penalties per team and that's what they will always do. It's up to DOPS to decide f they want this sort of thing and they've shown that they are good with it. So it has to be the players.

The only way Reeves doesn't make that play is if he thinks that there's a chance that the retribution will come to one of his teammates.

[Updated on: Sun, 17 November 2024 10:57]

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838985 is a reply to message #838984 ]	Sun, 17 November 2024 11:37

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Jay wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 10:49

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 10:10

Jay wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 09:23

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 22:15

tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 21:38

Jay wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 04:36

That Reeves hit is complete BS. The league needs to throw the book at him and set an example.

Agreed. That was sickening and uncalled for. Reaves should be out of the league. Just a complete goof. Makes me sick

Do you think a team down 2-1, if they could choose, would pick to take out Nurse for the rest of the night at the cost of having to kill a 5 min major against McDavid and drai? Doubt it. Especially against a team they barely ever play, so the loss of nurse doesn’t really benefit them much at all.

It’s on the Oilers how we squandered rhat 5 min. And we gave the game away with some bad plays and lousy goaltending.

Reaves really had minimal impact on the game and at worst he could have buried his teams chances with the 5 min major.

Peter Angelo was valuable enough that Vegas resident Parros couldn’t bring himself to give a proper suspension, for sure. Reaves is in a totally different category though. He has already cost the leafs in the playoffs with stupid plays taking penalties and stupid giveaways gifting goals. He has been only a negative for the leafs so far when games matter. And there is so way he is important enough to get special treatment from the DOPS.

All that said, would I like more Oilers that can play at a high level and can dish some nasty hits now and then? For sure. Would not take a slug though who can only be noticed them he’s picking a head with a dirty hit, or giving pucks away and still managing to hurt the team by not being able to play real hockey in his 8 mins of sheltered ice time. The cost of using up a roster spot on that kind if player vs the potential he injures a key player in playoffs or vs some division rival has a very tiny chance of working out well.

[Updated on: Sun, 17 November 2024 11:47]

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- MacT, 2015

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838986 is a reply to message #838985 ]	Sun, 17 November 2024 17:24

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Anyone thin Bouch is doing us a favor by reducing his next contract?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838988 is a reply to message #838986 ]	Sun, 17 November 2024 18:37

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 17:24

Anyone thin Bouch is doing us a favor by reducing his next contract?

Wouldn’t get hopes up. He likely rebounds through the year. And Dobson can end up with 50 points and still get 9Mx8 to start the summer off. Lucky Lou is generous these days.

I seem to recall all the same Bouch talk last year until December and he ends up likely being the #2 reason we got to watch the playoff run we saw.

Chance for a team friendly Bouch deal likely lost forever 2 summers ago.

[Updated on: Sun, 17 November 2024 18:43]

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838990 is a reply to message #838986 ]	Sun, 17 November 2024 18:43

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 16:24

Anyone thin Bouch is doing us a favor by reducing his next contract?

I'd play hardball.. he had a great second half last year and playoffs.. this will be a 8 year contract.. its a long time.. and he doesn't have a long track record.. a big contract would be a big bet on 50/50 odds.. .. McDavid needs to be paid.. and still need to get some more talent up front for him.. Nuge is declining.. J. Skinner not helping.. also need a #1 or #2 RHD .. better Goalie ..etc.. etc..

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838991 is a reply to message #838990 ]	Sun, 17 November 2024 18:44

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 18:43

Dragon_Matt wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 16:24

Anyone thin Bouch is doing us a favor by reducing his next contract?

Hardball likely leads to an offer sheet. And we can wait another decade or so for another top end offensive RHD.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838994 is a reply to message #838991 ]	Mon, 18 November 2024 09:42

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 19:44

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 18:43

Dragon_Matt wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 16:24

Anyone thin Bouch is doing us a favor by reducing his next contract?

Hardball likely leads to an offer sheet. And we can wait another decade or so for another top end offensive RHD.

Yep. Outside of the obvious, McDavid and Draisaitl, there is no player on the Oilers who is more important in the sense he would be hardest the replace.
This team spent 2 generations trying to find a Bouchard, offensive RHD. If Bouchard leaves for any reason they will be ok the same boat until the end of Drai and McDavids career.
His defensive game has improved to acceptable most of the time. He wil never be a shut down D but for the most part his defense is passable and his offence is elite.
Playing any form of hardball would be a tactical mistake. As others mentioned, any window for a low deal closed 2 years ago. Sign him to a fair market deal. Sell him on the idea of keeping the band together and try and shave off a bit. Annoying him into testing the RFA market would do nothing positive for the Oilers.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838996 is a reply to message #838994 ]	Mon, 18 November 2024 13:14

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PlusOne wrote on Mon, 18 November 2024 09:42

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 19:44

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 18:43

Dragon_Matt wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 16:24

Anyone thin Bouch is doing us a favor by reducing his next contract?

Hardball likely leads to an offer sheet. And we can wait another decade or so for another top end offensive RHD.

There's just no chance that a hardball strategy is going to be a good one unless we're intent on walking him to UFA and then watching him walk.

Bouchard made a couple mistakes against Toronto and he's had a slower start to this year and Edmonton fans love to have extremely little patience with defencemen. However, there's a few things to consider:

Quote:

Sid
@NHL_Sid
Two things can be true.

A) Bouchard made awful, awful errors tonight. Absolutely no excuse.

B) He has been on-ice for the 3rd fewest HD chances among all d-men (min. 300 TOI). I think the narrative around Bouchard would be much different if his on-ice SV% was higher than 0.887.

...

Feel like I'm going crazy here. This is the *third* straight November where Bouchard has a PDO slump and the fanbase has "is Evan Bouchard a liability?" debates.

Totally fair to be frustrated with his defensive lapses! But, we gotta calm down with the emotional overreactions.

Quote:

kailermemeamoto
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Nov 17
The Edmonton Oilers are giving up BY FAR the least high danger chances against in the entire NHL.

Stuart Skinner has a .877 sv%.

If anyone tells you this is a defense issue, admit them to the psych ward.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GckxZzRXQAAj78g?format=jpg&name=small

Bouchard's offensive numbers are going to go up. The PP is going to get better this year. Goalies are going to stop being as lucky against the Oilers as we've seen early in the season. And that's a massive contract no matter how you cut it. As PlusOne says, the best way to negotiate it is by making clear that he understands that if he signs on at a team discount, then he gets to be here and part of the success. If he completely prices himself out, then he maybe eventually goes somewhere else and he might have great personal stats, but won't be part of the multiple Cups we're about to win.

Making a bad pass and having a weak backcheck in a game in Ontario is not the stuff hardball negotiations are made of.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838989 is a reply to message #838956 ]	Sun, 17 November 2024 18:39

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5 games for Reaves. Leafs fans mostly celebrate not having to watch him play. Blood thirsty ones insist it sent a message that players against the leafs will forever be afraid to make routine plays in their own zone, because of fear Ryan Reaves might try to take their head off.

[Updated on: Sun, 17 November 2024 18:51]

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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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