Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 12:55

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 13:54 Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 12:44 .. Giving our management the benefit of the doubt that they did know, but let him his 80 anyways. ) You might be right .. Crew: "Captain looks like there's an iceberg ahead.." Captain: ".. full speed ahead.." Everyone notices the Captain is sailing away on the last lifeboat Thankfully the mess left behind isn't THAT bad. One could argue the iceberg is Nurse though Maybe a little bit the 5 years of weak drafting as well.

LOL! Yeah you're right .. the real picture was;

Crew: "Captain looks like there's an iceberg ahead.."

Captain (from Life Boat) : ".. full speed ahead.."

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 22:55

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 13:44 Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 13:41 Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 12:30 Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 12:53 stemhovlichski wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 11:52 Just hearing this info: "Currently to be tendered an offer sheet, a player must: Have at least one NHL contract expire. Have played at least 80 NHL games if a forward or defenseman..." Philip Broberg Career Stats: GP 81 Oilers played him on April 17 and 18, thereby exposing him to an offer sheet. Keep him off the bench for 2 meaningless games and he is not eligible for the offer sheet. "Asset management" is not in the Oilers' dictionary. Do playoff games count toward the total? If they don't.. Oilers really screwed up. Regular season only. Issue would be, his agent would know this and likely would have been pressuring for Broberg to get over the 80 game mark. And Holland is such a nice guy, he probably kept Broberg in as long as he did to try to work the relationship. MacT once shut Drai down 1 game before he would have burned an RFA year and that came back to bite us a bit with his agent. Players/agents know what's up. Considering the Broberg relationship was already kinda sour, I wouldn't have given in and let them get the 80 games. He'd be holding out right now asking for a trade, and we could try to work a better trade for the org after his playoffs. Oh well though, Holland is out. Somebody really F'd up here then. How do you NOT have a guy/system who monitors EVERY players RFA/UFA/contract status in real time? Giving our management the benefit of the doubt that they did know, but let him his 80 anyways. In general Holland didn't seem to care about our cap or what ppl would deal with after he would be gone, hence the Connor Brown deal and bonuses for Perry. Also, Holland seems to always take the nice generous guy approach with most things. Can afford to, the generational talents will always come through in the end, right? :) I believe this was debunked as not being factual. A few of the posts have been deleted. Lacking a source though.

That the org knew? Or didn't know?

Or about how a manager can just do whatever if they have a generational talent, and things will always just work out?

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 22:25

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 22:55 Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 13:44 Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 13:41 Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 12:30 Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 12:53 stemhovlichski wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 11:52 Just hearing this info: "Currently to be tendered an offer sheet, a player must: Have at least one NHL contract expire. Have played at least 80 NHL games if a forward or defenseman..." Philip Broberg Career Stats: GP 81 Oilers played him on April 17 and 18, thereby exposing him to an offer sheet. Keep him off the bench for 2 meaningless games and he is not eligible for the offer sheet. "Asset management" is not in the Oilers' dictionary. Do playoff games count toward the total? If they don't.. Oilers really screwed up. Regular season only. Issue would be, his agent would know this and likely would have been pressuring for Broberg to get over the 80 game mark. And Holland is such a nice guy, he probably kept Broberg in as long as he did to try to work the relationship. MacT once shut Drai down 1 game before he would have burned an RFA year and that came back to bite us a bit with his agent. Players/agents know what's up. Considering the Broberg relationship was already kinda sour, I wouldn't have given in and let them get the 80 games. He'd be holding out right now asking for a trade, and we could try to work a better trade for the org after his playoffs. Oh well though, Holland is out. Somebody really F'd up here then. How do you NOT have a guy/system who monitors EVERY players RFA/UFA/contract status in real time? Giving our management the benefit of the doubt that they did know, but let him his 80 anyways. In general Holland didn't seem to care about our cap or what ppl would deal with after he would be gone, hence the Connor Brown deal and bonuses for Perry. Also, Holland seems to always take the nice generous guy approach with most things. Can afford to, the generational talents will always come through in the end, right? :) I believe this was debunked as not being factual. A few of the posts have been deleted. Lacking a source though. That the org knew? Or didn't know? Or about how a manager can just do whatever if they have a generational talent, and things will always just work out?

I think I read a short post by someone on lowetide that said that the 81st game wasn't a factor in the offer sheet for Broberg.. that he qualified based on playing in a 3rd season.. ??


Here is Wiki..
According to this the 80 games wasn't an issue.. it was his 3rd season and he signed his 3 year ELC when he was about 20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_players_who_have_s igned_offer_sheets#:~:text=Teams%20have%20seven%20days%20to, Agent%20(Group%202%20RFA).

Quote:

In the NHL, players who are restricted free agents can be, after being qualified by their current team, signed by another team to an offer sheet with salary greater than the qualifying offer. Teams have seven days to match the offer, and if the offer is not matched, the team making the offer sheet must give up compensation (see here for details). Currently to be tendered an offer sheet, a player must qualify as a Group 2 Restricted Free Agent (Group 2 RFA). To be considered a Group 2 RFA, a player must: 1. Reach the required number of professional seasons depending on the age of the player when he first signs his Standard Player Contract. (3 professional seasons for ages 18-21, 2 professional seasons for ages 22-23, and 1 professional season for ages 23 and older) 2. Have at least one NHL contract expire. 3. Be without a contract for the upcoming season. 4. Be tendered a qualifying offer by the current team by June 25 or the Monday after that year's NHL Entry Draft (whichever is later) If any of those conditions has not been met, the player will not become a Group 2 RFA.

[Updated on: Wed, 21 August 2024 02:01]

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 21 August 2024 01:51

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 22:25 inverno76 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 22:55 Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 13:44 Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 13:41 Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 12:30 Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 12:53 stemhovlichski wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 11:52 Just hearing this info: "Currently to be tendered an offer sheet, a player must: Have at least one NHL contract expire. Have played at least 80 NHL games if a forward or defenseman..." Philip Broberg Career Stats: GP 81 Oilers played him on April 17 and 18, thereby exposing him to an offer sheet. Keep him off the bench for 2 meaningless games and he is not eligible for the offer sheet. "Asset management" is not in the Oilers' dictionary. Do playoff games count toward the total? If they don't.. Oilers really screwed up. Regular season only. Issue would be, his agent would know this and likely would have been pressuring for Broberg to get over the 80 game mark. And Holland is such a nice guy, he probably kept Broberg in as long as he did to try to work the relationship. MacT once shut Drai down 1 game before he would have burned an RFA year and that came back to bite us a bit with his agent. Players/agents know what's up. Considering the Broberg relationship was already kinda sour, I wouldn't have given in and let them get the 80 games. He'd be holding out right now asking for a trade, and we could try to work a better trade for the org after his playoffs. Oh well though, Holland is out. Somebody really F'd up here then. How do you NOT have a guy/system who monitors EVERY players RFA/UFA/contract status in real time? Giving our management the benefit of the doubt that they did know, but let him his 80 anyways. In general Holland didn't seem to care about our cap or what ppl would deal with after he would be gone, hence the Connor Brown deal and bonuses for Perry. Also, Holland seems to always take the nice generous guy approach with most things. Can afford to, the generational talents will always come through in the end, right? :) I believe this was debunked as not being factual. A few of the posts have been deleted. Lacking a source though. That the org knew? Or didn't know? Or about how a manager can just do whatever if they have a generational talent, and things will always just work out? I think I read a short post by someone on lowetide that said that the 81st game wasn't a factor in the offer sheet for Broberg.. that he qualified based on playing in a 3rd season.. ?? Here is Wiki.. According to this the 80 games wasn't an issue.. it was his 3rd season and he signed his 3 year ELC when he was about 20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_players_who_have_s igned_offer_sheets#:~:text=Teams%20have%20seven%20days%20to, Agent%20(Group%202%20RFA). Quote: In the NHL, players who are restricted free agents can be, after being qualified by their current team, signed by another team to an offer sheet with salary greater than the qualifying offer. Teams have seven days to match the offer, and if the offer is not matched, the team making the offer sheet must give up compensation (see here for details). Currently to be tendered an offer sheet, a player must qualify as a Group 2 Restricted Free Agent (Group 2 RFA). To be considered a Group 2 RFA, a player must: 1. Reach the required number of professional seasons depending on the age of the player when he first signs his Standard Player Contract. (3 professional seasons for ages 18-21, 2 professional seasons for ages 22-23, and 1 professional season for ages 23 and older) 2. Have at least one NHL contract expire. 3. Be without a contract for the upcoming season. 4. Be tendered a qualifying offer by the current team by June 25 or the Monday after that year's NHL Entry Draft (whichever is later) If any of those conditions has not been met, the player will not become a Group 2 RFA.

ahhh k. He would probably be worth even less than a 2nd if we didn't even play him this last year, plus he'd REALLY be demanding a trade, so guess it is what it is.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 21 August 2024 01:51

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 22:25 inverno76 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 22:55 Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 13:44 Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 13:41 Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 12:30 Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 12:53 stemhovlichski wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 11:52 Just hearing this info: "Currently to be tendered an offer sheet, a player must: Have at least one NHL contract expire. Have played at least 80 NHL games if a forward or defenseman..." Philip Broberg Career Stats: GP 81 Oilers played him on April 17 and 18, thereby exposing him to an offer sheet. Keep him off the bench for 2 meaningless games and he is not eligible for the offer sheet. "Asset management" is not in the Oilers' dictionary. Do playoff games count toward the total? If they don't.. Oilers really screwed up. Regular season only. Issue would be, his agent would know this and likely would have been pressuring for Broberg to get over the 80 game mark. And Holland is such a nice guy, he probably kept Broberg in as long as he did to try to work the relationship. MacT once shut Drai down 1 game before he would have burned an RFA year and that came back to bite us a bit with his agent. Players/agents know what's up. Considering the Broberg relationship was already kinda sour, I wouldn't have given in and let them get the 80 games. He'd be holding out right now asking for a trade, and we could try to work a better trade for the org after his playoffs. Oh well though, Holland is out. Somebody really F'd up here then. How do you NOT have a guy/system who monitors EVERY players RFA/UFA/contract status in real time? Giving our management the benefit of the doubt that they did know, but let him his 80 anyways. In general Holland didn't seem to care about our cap or what ppl would deal with after he would be gone, hence the Connor Brown deal and bonuses for Perry. Also, Holland seems to always take the nice generous guy approach with most things. Can afford to, the generational talents will always come through in the end, right? :) I believe this was debunked as not being factual. A few of the posts have been deleted. Lacking a source though. That the org knew? Or didn't know? Or about how a manager can just do whatever if they have a generational talent, and things will always just work out? I think I read a short post by someone on lowetide that said that the 81st game wasn't a factor in the offer sheet for Broberg.. that he qualified based on playing in a 3rd season.. ?? Here is Wiki.. According to this the 80 games wasn't an issue.. it was his 3rd season and he signed his 3 year ELC when he was about 20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_players_who_have_s igned_offer_sheets#:~:text=Teams%20have%20seven%20days%20to, Agent%20(Group%202%20RFA). Quote: In the NHL, players who are restricted free agents can be, after being qualified by their current team, signed by another team to an offer sheet with salary greater than the qualifying offer. Teams have seven days to match the offer, and if the offer is not matched, the team making the offer sheet must give up compensation (see here for details). Currently to be tendered an offer sheet, a player must qualify as a Group 2 Restricted Free Agent (Group 2 RFA). To be considered a Group 2 RFA, a player must: 1. Reach the required number of professional seasons depending on the age of the player when he first signs his Standard Player Contract. (3 professional seasons for ages 18-21, 2 professional seasons for ages 22-23, and 1 professional season for ages 23 and older) 2. Have at least one NHL contract expire. 3. Be without a contract for the upcoming season. 4. Be tendered a qualifying offer by the current team by June 25 or the Monday after that year's NHL Entry Draft (whichever is later) If any of those conditions has not been met, the player will not become a Group 2 RFA.

Thanks for finding this info. I checked around for confirmation of the various CBA RFA terms but there's nothing relatively easy to find. Looks like the 80 game limit is for a Group 6 UFA (which despite its name is an RFA status) and is age 25+.

Articles like this one below show incomplete information that could misinform NHL followers about actual CBA RFA eligibility requirements:
https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nhl/news/nhl-offer-sheet-com pensation-rules-restricted-free-agents/gwhzvmvbcjbsmyf3qlckh drz

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Clean house or bust

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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 12:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 13:38 Lowetide keeps pumping this guys tires.. Gustav Lindstrom.. UFA.. RHD.. 25 years old.. Detroit 2nd rounder.. https://puckpedia.com/player/gustav-lindstrom Name is pretty close to Lidstrom, so I'm all for it.

He played on Sweden's U-20 team.. played 174 NHL games.. Detroit, Montreal and Anaheim.. played 32 games last year for Anaheim was +12..

His last contract was $950K

[Updated on: Tue, 20 August 2024 14:03]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

[Updated on: Tue, 20 August 2024 15:27]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

[Updated on: Tue, 20 August 2024 19:08]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Clean house or bust

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

[Updated on: Wed, 21 August 2024 13:42]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Listened to Stauffer phone in yesterday on ON.

You can tell he's pissed at management (probably Holland).. he usually tries to put a positive spin on things but having a hard time.. he understands why you'd wouldn't match the offer sheets.. but the missed opportunity was last year.. and obvious.

The Broberg loss really stings.. IMO moves the franchise defence back a few steps.. now and future.

Stauffer said there would obviously be PTO's for RHD

He suggested there was defencemen who might come on a PTO who used to play under Knoblauch.. can't figure out who.. have to be a UFA.. not named Schultz or Barrie.. any guesses?

I got the feeling that there is no pending shoe-to-drop regarding defence.. Bowman kind of indicated in his interview that not matching Broberg/Holloway was due to the Oilers valuation of accruing cap space during the year and not have to use LTIR on Kane.. also cap maneuverability when discussing future extensions with Leon, Bouchard, McDavid.. which I kind of get.. I think the failure by management occurred a year ago when the team had more leverage on the RFA's.

On a positive note.. it slipped out that Leon signing might be pending..

We used to have a lot of promising drafted Defencemen.. after being being a franchise scarcity.. Kesselring, Samaroukov, Broberg, Desharnais, no one left.. best prospect is Beau Akey and he's 2 years away.. at least.. Wanner is in the system.. I saw him play .. potential.. but he's a long ways off.. Kemp? .. his boots are holding him back..

Next draft should be focused on mobile defencemen.. right or left

[Updated on: Wed, 21 August 2024 15:49]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

[Updated on: Wed, 21 August 2024 16:16]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 21 August 2024 15:17

Listened to Stauffer phone in yesterday on ON. You can tell he's pissed at management (probably Holland).. he usually tries to put a positive spin on things but having a hard time.. he understands why you'd wouldn't match the offer sheets.. but the missed opportunity was last year.. and obvious. The Broberg loss really stings.. IMO moves the franchise defence back a few steps.. now and future. Stauffer said there would obviously be PTO's for RHD He suggested there was defencemen who might come on a PTO who used to play under Knoblauch.. can't figure out who.. have to be a UFA.. not named Schultz or Barrie.. any guesses? I got the feeling that there is no pending shoe-to-drop regarding defence.. Bowman kind of indicated in his interview that not matching Broberg/Holloway was due to the Oilers valuation of accruing cap space during the year and not have to use LTIR on Kane.. also cap maneuverability when discussing future extensions with Leon, Bouchard, McDavid.. which I kind of get.. I think the failure by management occurred a year ago when the team had more leverage on the RFA's. On a positive note.. it slipped out that Leon signing might be pending.. We used to have a lot of promising drafted Defencemen.. after being being a franchise scarcity.. Kesselring, Samaroukov, Broberg, Desharnais, no one left.. best prospect is Beau Akey and he's 2 years away.. at least.. Wanner is in the system.. I saw him play .. potential.. but he's a long ways off.. Kemp? .. his boots are holding him back.. Next draft should be focused on mobile defencemen.. right or left

Would either of these guys signed early a year ago though? Both probably felt like they didn't get enough opportunity. Broberg was probably already thinking he needs to get out of here. Neither did enough to warrant a spot on the roster too. Both mediocre 1st round picks that were taking a long time to figure out how to be useful in the NHL for more than little spurts at a time. Holloway never actually got to a point of consistent usefulness. Broberg had some good sheltered 3rd pair time with Bouchard doing all the playmaking, and 2 weeks of luck where he could do no wrong because Skinner would do backflips for him and Nurse.

Both guys in weird spots in their early careers. Both hoping for some kind of opportunity and things finally working. I really don't see either signing until the summer anyways. So, the question would be if you abandon what we did July 1st just for more buffer with these guys. We weren't giving Broberg 4.5M, and his agent is a known sneaky bugger, so we likely end up with a trade request and/or the 4.5M offersheet anyways with him. Holloway maybe we are more willing to keep and overpay a bit if we didn't get the guys we did July 1st, but I don't really like that trade-off anyways.

To me, the root of all these issues is more about weak drafting than anything else. If these players were actually good, we would have gone to greater lengths to play them and keep them.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 August 2024 15:08

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 21 August 2024 15:17 Listened to Stauffer phone in yesterday on ON. You can tell he's pissed at management (probably Holland).. he usually tries to put a positive spin on things but having a hard time.. he understands why you'd wouldn't match the offer sheets.. but the missed opportunity was last year.. and obvious. The Broberg loss really stings.. IMO moves the franchise defence back a few steps.. now and future. Stauffer said there would obviously be PTO's for RHD He suggested there was defencemen who might come on a PTO who used to play under Knoblauch.. can't figure out who.. have to be a UFA.. not named Schultz or Barrie.. any guesses? I got the feeling that there is no pending shoe-to-drop regarding defence.. Bowman kind of indicated in his interview that not matching Broberg/Holloway was due to the Oilers valuation of accruing cap space during the year and not have to use LTIR on Kane.. also cap maneuverability when discussing future extensions with Leon, Bouchard, McDavid.. which I kind of get.. I think the failure by management occurred a year ago when the team had more leverage on the RFA's. On a positive note.. it slipped out that Leon signing might be pending.. We used to have a lot of promising drafted Defencemen.. after being being a franchise scarcity.. Kesselring, Samaroukov, Broberg, Desharnais, no one left.. best prospect is Beau Akey and he's 2 years away.. at least.. Wanner is in the system.. I saw him play .. potential.. but he's a long ways off.. Kemp? .. his boots are holding him back.. Next draft should be focused on mobile defencemen.. right or left Would either of these guys signed early a year ago though? Both probably felt like they didn't get enough opportunity. Broberg was probably already thinking he needs to get out of here. Neither did enough to warrant a spot on the roster too. Both mediocre 1st round picks that were taking a long time to figure out how to be useful in the NHL for more than little spurts at a time. Holloway never actually got to a point of consistent usefulness. Broberg had some good sheltered 3rd pair time with Bouchard doing all the playmaking, and 2 weeks of luck where he could do no wrong because Skinner would do backflips for him and Nurse. Both guys in weird spots in their early careers. Both hoping for some kind of opportunity and things finally working. I really don't see either signing until the summer anyways. So, the question would be if you abandon what we did July 1st just for more buffer with these guys. We weren't giving Broberg 4.5M, and his agent is a known sneaky bugger, so we likely end up with a trade request and/or the 4.5M offersheet anyways with him. Holloway maybe we are more willing to keep and overpay a bit if we didn't get the guys we did July 1st, but I don't really like that trade-off anyways. To me, the root of all these issues is more about weak drafting than anything else. If these players were actually good, we would have gone to greater lengths to play them and keep them.

Brian Lawton was asked that very question by Stauffer in a previous show (last week?).. would they have signed even at last Christmas when they were sent down?.. as a past agent.. he said definitely yes, they would have.. maybe not as cheap as the Oilers were offering.. but an order of magnitude lower than what the offer sheets were.

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 21 August 2024 16:14

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 August 2024 15:08 Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 21 August 2024 15:17 Listened to Stauffer phone in yesterday on ON. You can tell he's pissed at management (probably Holland).. he usually tries to put a positive spin on things but having a hard time.. he understands why you'd wouldn't match the offer sheets.. but the missed opportunity was last year.. and obvious. The Broberg loss really stings.. IMO moves the franchise defence back a few steps.. now and future. Stauffer said there would obviously be PTO's for RHD He suggested there was defencemen who might come on a PTO who used to play under Knoblauch.. can't figure out who.. have to be a UFA.. not named Schultz or Barrie.. any guesses? I got the feeling that there is no pending shoe-to-drop regarding defence.. Bowman kind of indicated in his interview that not matching Broberg/Holloway was due to the Oilers valuation of accruing cap space during the year and not have to use LTIR on Kane.. also cap maneuverability when discussing future extensions with Leon, Bouchard, McDavid.. which I kind of get.. I think the failure by management occurred a year ago when the team had more leverage on the RFA's. On a positive note.. it slipped out that Leon signing might be pending.. We used to have a lot of promising drafted Defencemen.. after being being a franchise scarcity.. Kesselring, Samaroukov, Broberg, Desharnais, no one left.. best prospect is Beau Akey and he's 2 years away.. at least.. Wanner is in the system.. I saw him play .. potential.. but he's a long ways off.. Kemp? .. his boots are holding him back.. Next draft should be focused on mobile defencemen.. right or left Would either of these guys signed early a year ago though? Both probably felt like they didn't get enough opportunity. Broberg was probably already thinking he needs to get out of here. Neither did enough to warrant a spot on the roster too. Both mediocre 1st round picks that were taking a long time to figure out how to be useful in the NHL for more than little spurts at a time. Holloway never actually got to a point of consistent usefulness. Broberg had some good sheltered 3rd pair time with Bouchard doing all the playmaking, and 2 weeks of luck where he could do no wrong because Skinner would do backflips for him and Nurse. Both guys in weird spots in their early careers. Both hoping for some kind of opportunity and things finally working. I really don't see either signing until the summer anyways. So, the question would be if you abandon what we did July 1st just for more buffer with these guys. We weren't giving Broberg 4.5M, and his agent is a known sneaky bugger, so we likely end up with a trade request and/or the 4.5M offersheet anyways with him. Holloway maybe we are more willing to keep and overpay a bit if we didn't get the guys we did July 1st, but I don't really like that trade-off anyways. To me, the root of all these issues is more about weak drafting than anything else. If these players were actually good, we would have gone to greater lengths to play them and keep them. Brian Lawton was asked that very question by Stauffer in a previous show (last week?).. would they have signed even at last Christmas when they were sent down?.. as a past agent.. he said definitely yes, they would have.. maybe not as cheap as the Oilers were offering.. but an order of magnitude lower than what the offer sheets were.

Would be curious to see how often a player on their ELC would sign half a year early. Especially if they were unhappy about how they've been handled. Was suggested Broberg wanted out mid-season too, so I don't see why he would sign anything. Darren Ferris, his agent, seems pretty crafty as well. Word is that he looped in Holloway's agent to create this double offer sheet situation.

Obviously I'm not a GM or former GM, but still just find it unlikely it would have been easy to sign Broberg at any point. And not sure we would even want to give Holloway some kind of little overpay for him to abandon raising his stock the rest of the regular season. Again, wonder how many ELC players who have barely done a thing, and feel they are on the cusp of pulling something off in their last ELC year would sign early? Seems like something only the most conservative minded player/agent would do. Holloway and his agent just showed us they are the gamblin types lol.

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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stemhovlichski wrote on Sat, 24 August 2024 16:15

Adam wrote on Sat, 24 August 2024 14:35 Kr55 wrote on Sat, 24 August 2024 12:19 Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 24 August 2024 00:17 I'm thinking Tony DeAngelo might be a good signing for a 1 year at league min.. Ex-teammate of Nurse in the Soo.. had much better offense than Nurse.. good skater.. puck mover.. Super talented. Crazy headcase that has pissed off his teammates and org everywhere he has gone. Would certainly add some drama to the season. We can room him with Kane! "On March 8, 2023, the NHL Department of Player Safety issued DeAngelo a two-game suspension for spearing Tampa Bay Lightning forward Corey Perry." - wikipedia

Its settled then..

"Corey.. you've met Tony.. he'll be your room mate on the road.."

I think I remember DeAngelo playing last season in a Hurricaes game vs. Oilers and thinking I was surprised he was so effective, super mobile, puck handler.. hadn't seen him play much in the NHL.. just associated him with news and trades.. general drama.. thought he was just a 6 or 7 D-man.. after watching him play I wondered why Oilers never got him when he was traded/signed for cheap assets..

Drafted by TB #19 overall
Traded to Coyotes for a 2nd
Traded to NYR (with a Coyotes 1st) for D. Stepan + Anti Raanta
NYR bought him out in 2021.. UFA
Signed with Carolina 2021
Traded by Carolina to Flyers in 2022..
Flyers bought him out in 2023 .. UFA
Signed back with Carolina as UFA in 2024 (last season) .. his last contract was $1.68M
..Currently UFA

Give him $1M

DeAngelos last season in OHL

Quote:

2014-2015 CHL Defenseman of the Year OHL First All-Star Team OHL Most Assists by Defenseman (64) OHL Most Goals by Defenseman (25) OHL Most Outstanding Defenseman (Max Kaminsky Trophy) OHL Most Points by Defenseman (89)

Recent comments from DeAngelo addressing rumours he was contemplating going to the KHL..
If the KHL is looking like a viable option.. I think he could get signed for league minimum.. probably jump at it..

Quote:

Tony DeAngelo Focused on NHL Contract Tony DeAngelo is still an unrestricted free agent and hasn’t signed a deal with an NHL club yet. That doesn’t mean he’s jumping to the KHL, as some recent rumors suggest. Instagram account @PuckEmpire posted that they reached out to the defenseman and asked if the rumors were true. DeAngelo denied them. He noted that he’s not sure where the speculation is coming from and that he’s trying to find a spot on an NHL team. He noted, “I mean, listen. If I don’t have a deal, I would be open to playing overseas but I don’t have anything like that, even close so idk what the heck people are saying haha.”

Story behind why he got waived by NYR ..
Daily Face Off
https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/former-ranger-tony-deangel o-details-infamous-fight-with-alexandar-georgiev

Podcast (good interview.. actually seems like a normal guy.. ?)
Listen to it.. apparently Brett Pesce LOVES DeAngelo (21:20).. dispels a lot of rumours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpyxezQPxKQ

Quote:

Former Rangers Defenseman Discusses Infamous Fight The 2020-21 season was an interesting year for NHL defenseman Tony DeAngelo. It was his fourth season with the New York Rangers, he was coming off a career-high 53-point season and expectations were extremely high to continue producing. While his play should have been the only thing doing the talking, it was DeAngelo’s mouth that got him in trouble and run out of town mid-season. The free-agent defenseman recently sat down with Jonny Lazarus and Colby Cohen as a guest on Morning Cuppa Hockey, to give his side of the story about how his Rangers tenure concluded. A tenure that had some highs, and some very lows, including the infamous fight with then Rangers’ goaltender Alexandar Georgiev. “It was a tough game. Georgy struggled. I struggled in the game, we’re playing against Pittsburgh (Jan/30/21), coming down the tunnel, I yelled at Georgy, ‘make a *bleeping save.’ 100%. If I didn’t yell at Georgy, Georgy wasn’t going to turn around and try to do anything. That’s a fact., so obviously I started it, and I wasn’t thinking what happened next was going to happen. That was a surprise to me as Georgy was running hot after the game.” This is where things take a turn and escalate quickly, as Georgiev, who let in five goals against the Penguins, took matters into his own hands…or mask. “He turns around and fires a head butt at me. So, you know he has a goalie mask on and I only have the player visor. So, I get a cut on the side of my face. There was nothing to really hit him, so I just hit him quick (swinging his stick), on the goalie mask”, DeAngelo detailed. “It goes a little bit into the locker room, but nothing really happens, nobody is going to let guys fight in there. Guys break it up, it ends. We’re told the next day, don’t come to the rink. I had a feeling something was going to come there. I thought I was going to get traded to be honest. I wanted to be put on release waivers.” Even though DeAngelo knew something was likely coming, he was still thrown off by how things played out from the Rangers organization. “Elliotte Friedman broke the news, I didn’t even know yet. I saw through Twitter that I was on waivers”, explained DeAngelo. “To be honest with you, it wasn’t a total shock that I was going to be out of there at that point of the season. The season started off so rocky, and a lot of it being my fault.” DeAngelo knew the fight in the tunnel shouldn’t have happened and took a lot of accountability for his actions. Looking back, it was obvious he thought it was something the Rangers could have handled differently and he was ready to brush it off and continue on with Georgiev as his goalie. “Me and Georgy we’re fine. We weren’t the best of buddies, never were the best of buddies, but I think we both would have came back to the rink on Tuesday and everything would have been fine.” DeAngelo was waived and released by the Rangers and didn’t end up catching on with the Carolina Hurricanes until the following season. Georgiev on the other hand, was traded to the Colorado Avalanche two summers after the incident. The two crossed paths just one season after the incident and this time no sticks were swung and no headbutts were delivered. “Georgy came up to me when we played the following year in Carolina. Shaking my hand, hugging me. Saying hello, I would say hello to him. It’s just the way hockey guys are.”

[Updated on: Sat, 24 August 2024 18:47]

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Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 24 August 2024 17:24

stemhovlichski wrote on Sat, 24 August 2024 16:15 Adam wrote on Sat, 24 August 2024 14:35 Kr55 wrote on Sat, 24 August 2024 12:19 Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 24 August 2024 00:17 I'm thinking Tony DeAngelo might be a good signing for a 1 year at league min.. Ex-teammate of Nurse in the Soo.. had much better offense than Nurse.. good skater.. puck mover.. Super talented. Crazy headcase that has pissed off his teammates and org everywhere he has gone. Would certainly add some drama to the season. We can room him with Kane! "On March 8, 2023, the NHL Department of Player Safety issued DeAngelo a two-game suspension for spearing Tampa Bay Lightning forward Corey Perry." - wikipedia Its settled then.. "Corey.. you've met Tony.. he'll be your room mate on the road.." I think I remember DeAngelo playing last season in a Hurricaes game vs. Oilers and thinking I was surprised he was so effective, super mobile, puck handler.. hadn't seen him play much in the NHL.. just associated him with news and trades.. general drama.. thought he was just a 6 or 7 D-man.. after watching him play I wondered why Oilers never got him when he was traded/signed for cheap assets.. Drafted by TB #19 overall Traded to Coyotes for a 2nd Traded to NYR (with a Coyotes 1st) for D. Stepan + Anti Raanta NYR bought him out in 2021.. UFA Signed with Carolina 2021 Traded by Carolina to Flyers in 2022.. Flyers bought him out in 2023 .. UFA Signed back with Carolina as UFA in 2024 (last season) .. his last contract was $1.68M ..Currently UFA Give him $1M DeAngelos last season in OHL Quote: 2014-2015 CHL Defenseman of the Year OHL First All-Star Team OHL Most Assists by Defenseman (64) OHL Most Goals by Defenseman (25) OHL Most Outstanding Defenseman (Max Kaminsky Trophy) OHL Most Points by Defenseman (89) Recent comments from DeAngelo addressing rumours he was contemplating going to the KHL.. If the KHL is looking like a viable option.. I think he could get signed for league minimum.. probably jump at it.. Quote: Tony DeAngelo Focused on NHL Contract Tony DeAngelo is still an unrestricted free agent and hasn’t signed a deal with an NHL club yet. That doesn’t mean he’s jumping to the KHL, as some recent rumors suggest. Instagram account @PuckEmpire posted that they reached out to the defenseman and asked if the rumors were true. DeAngelo denied them. He noted that he’s not sure where the speculation is coming from and that he’s trying to find a spot on an NHL team. He noted, “I mean, listen. If I don’t have a deal, I would be open to playing overseas but I don’t have anything like that, even close so idk what the heck people are saying haha.” Story behind why he got waived by NYR .. Daily Face Off https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/former-ranger-tony-deangel o-details-infamous-fight-with-alexandar-georgiev Podcast (good interview.. actually seems like a normal guy.. ?) Listen to it.. apparently Brett Pesce LOVES DeAngelo (21:20).. dispels a lot of rumours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpyxezQPxKQ Quote: Former Rangers Defenseman Discusses Infamous Fight The 2020-21 season was an interesting year for NHL defenseman Tony DeAngelo. It was his fourth season with the New York Rangers, he was coming off a career-high 53-point season and expectations were extremely high to continue producing. While his play should have been the only thing doing the talking, it was DeAngelo’s mouth that got him in trouble and run out of town mid-season. The free-agent defenseman recently sat down with Jonny Lazarus and Colby Cohen as a guest on Morning Cuppa Hockey, to give his side of the story about how his Rangers tenure concluded. A tenure that had some highs, and some very lows, including the infamous fight with then Rangers’ goaltender Alexandar Georgiev. “It was a tough game. Georgy struggled. I struggled in the game, we’re playing against Pittsburgh (Jan/30/21), coming down the tunnel, I yelled at Georgy, ‘make a *bleeping save.’ 100%. If I didn’t yell at Georgy, Georgy wasn’t going to turn around and try to do anything. That’s a fact., so obviously I started it, and I wasn’t thinking what happened next was going to happen. That was a surprise to me as Georgy was running hot after the game.” This is where things take a turn and escalate quickly, as Georgiev, who let in five goals against the Penguins, took matters into his own hands…or mask. “He turns around and fires a head butt at me. So, you know he has a goalie mask on and I only have the player visor. So, I get a cut on the side of my face. There was nothing to really hit him, so I just hit him quick (swinging his stick), on the goalie mask”, DeAngelo detailed. “It goes a little bit into the locker room, but nothing really happens, nobody is going to let guys fight in there. Guys break it up, it ends. We’re told the next day, don’t come to the rink. I had a feeling something was going to come there. I thought I was going to get traded to be honest. I wanted to be put on release waivers.” Even though DeAngelo knew something was likely coming, he was still thrown off by how things played out from the Rangers organization. “Elliotte Friedman broke the news, I didn’t even know yet. I saw through Twitter that I was on waivers”, explained DeAngelo. “To be honest with you, it wasn’t a total shock that I was going to be out of there at that point of the season. The season started off so rocky, and a lot of it being my fault.” DeAngelo knew the fight in the tunnel shouldn’t have happened and took a lot of accountability for his actions. Looking back, it was obvious he thought it was something the Rangers could have handled differently and he was ready to brush it off and continue on with Georgiev as his goalie. “Me and Georgy we’re fine. We weren’t the best of buddies, never were the best of buddies, but I think we both would have came back to the rink on Tuesday and everything would have been fine.” DeAngelo was waived and released by the Rangers and didn’t end up catching on with the Carolina Hurricanes until the following season. Georgiev on the other hand, was traded to the Colorado Avalanche two summers after the incident. The two crossed paths just one season after the incident and this time no sticks were swung and no headbutts were delivered. “Georgy came up to me when we played the following year in Carolina. Shaking my hand, hugging me. Saying hello, I would say hello to him. It’s just the way hockey guys are.”

Lol. Imagine DeAngelo in the Oilers room at the start of last season with how Skinner and Campbell were playing.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000