Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 June 2024 21:17

Adam wrote on Thu, 20 June 2024 21:07 Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 June 2024 16:24 Jobs not finished, but still Paul Pidutti @AdjustedHockey #LetsGoOilers Connor McDavid has officially broken the era adjusted points record (44) in a single playoffs. With 2 potential games to play, he could put some serious distance on it. McDavid also has the era adjusted assist mark (36) by 8(!) over Gretzky (30 in 1987). I always think era-adjusted stats are just full-on bullcrap and hopelessly biased. I imagine most of them are done by disillusioned penguins fans who want to find a way to pretend that 66>99. I mean, Gretzky had 47 points in 18 games but sure - Brad Richards run was almost as impressive. I’m afraid if McDavid wants the real record he’s going to need to score 6 more points. It ain’t out of the realm of possibility either!!! Gretzky still blows away everyone in ppg, and playoff hockey is much more situational than regular season games. I don't think ppl go too nuts with era adjustment. Think just tries to find how many goals are getting scored by how many players overall in the seasons and how hard it is to do something far off the norm. Needing 5,7,6 and hopefully 7 games obviously helps McDavid keep racking up more points. But it's also amazing how much he is still bringing in games so late now, especially since he likely started the playoffs with an injury. One thing for sure, we are watching something very special that we may never see again from 1 player in the playoffs.

I’ll agree that McDavid is special but the guy doing this is a clown. Mario had 5 more games to get 3 less points but he suggests that’s the previous best season because the league had just changed so much between 1985 and 1991? The Brad Richards one is particularly egregious. Two years earlier Forsberg scored 27 points in 20 games and he doesn’t even make the list but Brad Richards is in the top few seasons of all-time? I mean, St Louis was just 2 points behind him and Iginla just 2 points behind that (admittedly in 3 more games). I just don’t think it’s comparable to the Gretzky numbers. Literally no one else was scoring 40 in ANY years other than Mario once. Coffey’s 37 is the next closest.

If it was that easy other people should have been doing it. The scoring leader in 1986 when Oilers dropped out early had 21 points. In 1989 the top three had 31, 25, 24.

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Adam wrote on Thu, 20 June 2024 21:54

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 June 2024 21:17 Adam wrote on Thu, 20 June 2024 21:07 Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 June 2024 16:24 Jobs not finished, but still Paul Pidutti @AdjustedHockey #LetsGoOilers Connor McDavid has officially broken the era adjusted points record (44) in a single playoffs. With 2 potential games to play, he could put some serious distance on it. McDavid also has the era adjusted assist mark (36) by 8(!) over Gretzky (30 in 1987). I always think era-adjusted stats are just full-on bullcrap and hopelessly biased. I imagine most of them are done by disillusioned penguins fans who want to find a way to pretend that 66>99. I mean, Gretzky had 47 points in 18 games but sure - Brad Richards run was almost as impressive. I’m afraid if McDavid wants the real record he’s going to need to score 6 more points. It ain’t out of the realm of possibility either!!! Gretzky still blows away everyone in ppg, and playoff hockey is much more situational than regular season games. I don't think ppl go too nuts with era adjustment. Think just tries to find how many goals are getting scored by how many players overall in the seasons and how hard it is to do something far off the norm. Needing 5,7,6 and hopefully 7 games obviously helps McDavid keep racking up more points. But it's also amazing how much he is still bringing in games so late now, especially since he likely started the playoffs with an injury. One thing for sure, we are watching something very special that we may never see again from 1 player in the playoffs. I’ll agree that McDavid is special but the guy doing this is a clown. Mario had 5 more games to get 3 less points but he suggests that’s the previous best season because the league had just changed so much between 1985 and 1991? The Brad Richards one is particularly egregious. Two years earlier Forsberg scored 27 points in 20 games and he doesn’t even make the list but Brad Richards is in the top few seasons of all-time? I mean, St Louis was just 2 points behind him and Iginla just 2 points behind that (admittedly in 3 more games). I just don’t think it’s comparable to the Gretzky numbers. Literally no one else was scoring 40 in ANY years other than Mario once. Coffey’s 37 is the next closest. If it was that easy other people should have been doing it. The scoring leader in 1986 when Oilers dropped out early had 21 points. In 1989 the top three had 31, 25, 24.

Brad Richards numbers are definitely weird in there. He wasn't that far away from other guys in points

I'll have to read this later. Do wonder how this guys is playing with the stats

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/era-adjusted-playoff-stats -a-new-post-season-tool-to-compare-generations

Possible he is going year by year and looking at how many goals scored in games and the percentages of points a player had vs number of goals scored. So players in super low scoring playoff years look better. If everyone is scoring like crazy in a year, a high scorer looks worse vs other years, even if they separated themselves from the pack going by points. If lots of average guys are still loading up points, even if there are few that are individually standing out, it waters down how impressive the top scorers points are because scoring just overall appeared easier to do that year.

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- MacT, 2015

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