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Edmonton @ Florida (Game #2) [message #835965] |
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 Suomalainen
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Boulder, CO
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Gotta sweep at home.
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tardigrade81
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Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
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Officials crap but we are too. Cant score on a PP. 1 goal in 6 periods won’t cut it
Swept at home or this series is over
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cpcos
Messages: 31
Registered: March 2013
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Maurice with Winnipeg…. 4-0
Now with Florida …. I hate this coach!
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Kr55
Messages: 10556
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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Team looking like the cliche of not knowing what it takes to win it all.
Not that we have the better lineup or anything. Need some miracles to win this series. Don't expect our top guys to look so inept either though.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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The refs were monkey crap but The Oilers were equally monkey crap.
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HamBlaster
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Registered: June 2007
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What a weaaaaaak sauce start to the series. It's like the Oilers are acknowledging that Florida deserves the Cup and are here to just tag along for the ride.
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Mike
Messages: 1384
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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They actually looked good almost all of game 1. They looked like junk this entire game except for about 2-3 minutes after the Panthers went up 2-1. Once they were down they finally had a bit of a push back, but it didn’t last.
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Kr55
Messages: 10556
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:14 |
They actually looked good almost all of game 1. They looked like junk this entire game except for about 2-3 minutes after the Panthers went up 2-1. Once they were down they finally had a bit of a push back, but it didn’t last.
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Good possession in game 1, but choked loads of chances. Evan Rodrigues more clutch than our whole team combined.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Kr55
Messages: 10556
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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Bouch 30:40 and taking huge hits all night. Clearly targetted cause we have no other useful RHD. He is in for major pain this series.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Leia
Messages: 404
Registered: May 2003
Location: England
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That was bad, it certainly didn't help losing Foegele early on and then Nurse only getting limited ice time, when they were trying to manage Kane's time as well. Bouchard took some penalties meaning the back end had to swallow so much time.
This looks like a round to far so far for them, but it's home ice now for us and we've got to do better. Look at who's fit, look at bringing in players who aren't carrying significant injuries and go at full tilt as tonight we looked like we only had third gear.
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to the place where I belong
to Alberta, to see the Oilers
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Mike
Messages: 1384
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:17 |
| Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:14 |
They actually looked good almost all of game 1. They looked like junk this entire game except for about 2-3 minutes after the Panthers went up 2-1. Once they were down they finally had a bit of a push back, but it didn’t last.
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Good possession in game 1, but choked loads of chances. Evan Rodrigues more clutch than our whole team combined.
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Yeah, but at least we had more than 3 chances. There was nothing tonight. Even Ek’s goal was a stinker. He stops that almost every time.
Would have felt a lot better with a similar loss than what we were treated to tonight.
And the refs suck. And the Panthers are worse than the Sedins in 2011 with the diving, flopping, and those head snaps.
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Mike
Messages: 1384
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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Can’t help but wonder if the outcome would not have been different if we would have rightfully gotten that 1:48 5 on 3.
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Kr55
Messages: 10556
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:27 |
| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:17 |
| Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:14 |
They actually looked good almost all of game 1. They looked like junk this entire game except for about 2-3 minutes after the Panthers went up 2-1. Once they were down they finally had a bit of a push back, but it didn’t last.
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Good possession in game 1, but choked loads of chances. Evan Rodrigues more clutch than our whole team combined.
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Yeah, but at least we had more than 3 chances. There was nothing tonight. Even Ek’s goal was a stinker. He stops that almost every time.
Would have felt a lot better with a similar loss than what we were treated to tonight.
And the refs suck. And the Panthers are worse than the Sedins in 2011 with the diving, flopping, and those head snaps.
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Our fate is probably decided by how well Florida plays. First game they got the lead early and dropped back defensively. Maybe they were nervous and tentative. Bobo shut the door plus we helped by being anti-clutch.
This game Florida much more comfortable, just kept battling even when we got the lead and just broke us down.
Our team is worse, no doubt about it. We need McDavid or Drai to be the ones stealing for us with pure talent plays. Almost every powerplay needs to count.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Mike
Messages: 1384
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:31 |
Our team is worse, no doubt about it. We need McDavid or Drai to be the ones stealing for us with pure talent plays. Almost every powerplay needs to count.
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Thing is, Mcdavid looked dangerous many times. Did all that work to get into a prime shooting position, only to overpass. Need to send some on net. Get some greasy ones.
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Kr55
Messages: 10556
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:42 |
| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:31 |
Our team is worse, no doubt about it. We need McDavid or Drai to be the ones stealing for us with pure talent plays. Almost every powerplay needs to count.
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Thing is, Mcdavid looked dangerous many times. Did all that work to get into a prime shooting position, only to overpass. Need to send some on net. Get some greasy ones.
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Yeah. McDavid and Drai get into that mode sometimes. This is the absolute worst time for that to be happening. Maybe the pressure of the moment and Bobo's last game has them overthinking things. We probably have zero chance in the series if that continues even for one more game.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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nullterm
Messages: 1006
Registered: July 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC
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We cooked. Need a big bag of faerie dust and we are all out. That was a winnable game but either players are too banged up, too gassed, or don’t have the necessary next gear.
McDavid better have a secret stash in his closet at home.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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smyth260
Messages: 1046
Registered: November 2007
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They say the series ain’t over until you lose at home.
I hope…
Clean house or bust
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4334
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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| Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 20:30 |
Can’t help but wonder if the outcome would not have been different if we would have rightfully gotten that 1:48 5 on 3.
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I'm not wondering the outcome.. shoulda been a 5 on 3.. and definitely woulda changed the game.. linesmen blew it.. it was a foot and a half inside the zone when he shot it out.. 4 guys on the ice.. easy call.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Kr55
Messages: 10556
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| smyth260 wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 22:13 |
They say the series ain’t over until you lose at home.
I hope…
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Pretty sure the Musty level will be showing infinity in game 3.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4334
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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Greatest comeback in Oiler Stanley Cup history coming up my friends! 
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Kr55
Messages: 10556
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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We also can't lose sight of the biggest winner of the night. Cody Ceci. He now knows none of it was really his fault.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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nullterm
Messages: 1006
Registered: July 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:14 |
| Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 20:30 |
Can’t help but wonder if the outcome would not have been different if we would have rightfully gotten that 1:48 5 on 3.
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I'm not wondering the outcome.. shoulda been a 5 on 3.. and definitely woulda changed the game.. linesmen blew it.. it was a foot and a half inside the zone when he shot it out.. 4 guys on the ice.. easy call.
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They don’t give us those calls. “Game management” dictates they aren’t gonna give us an unfair advantage given our PP.
We played like crap. But we aren’t getting anything no matter what from the stripes, even if it’s justified.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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Kr55
Messages: 10556
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| nullterm wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 23:04 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:14 |
| Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 20:30 |
Can’t help but wonder if the outcome would not have been different if we would have rightfully gotten that 1:48 5 on 3.
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I'm not wondering the outcome.. shoulda been a 5 on 3.. and definitely woulda changed the game.. linesmen blew it.. it was a foot and a half inside the zone when he shot it out.. 4 guys on the ice.. easy call.
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They don’t give us those calls. “Game management” dictates they aren’t gonna give us an unfair advantage given our PP.
We played like crap. But we aren’t getting anything no matter what from the stripes, even if it’s justified.
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Kinda surprised so far at how many powerplays we have been given. We had the chance to make our special teams a difference in both games. Can't get the job done though.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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nullterm
Messages: 1006
Registered: July 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC
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If nothing is happening then atleast give me one game of a Nuge-McDavid-Gagner line in the SCF. Atleast give me some happy memory of something I can cheer for.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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Rutuu
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Location: Brisbane
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Well we got away with one on the Draisatl elbow on Barkov. And the puck over the glass doesn't fuss me because it was over the blue line. A good call by the referees.
You're never in trouble until you lose at home. So the series is far from over.
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smyth260
Messages: 1046
Registered: November 2007
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Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.
Clean house or bust
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Kr55
Messages: 10556
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13 |
Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.
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Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?
Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Adam
Messages: 7125
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| nullterm wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 22:11 |
We cooked. Need a big bag of faerie dust and we are all out. That was a winnable game but either players are too banged up, too gassed, or don’t have the necessary next gear.
McDavid better have a secret stash in his closet at home.
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Can't get too high on the wins, or too low on the losses. The fact is, you're never done until you're done. We've seen the Oilers come back from two games down to win. We've seen other teams do it too, including in this playoffs.
There's some things to adjust for sure - we really can't try to win 10-shot games just because it worked once. They need to take a certain amount of risks in order to push the play and we haven't done it when we're leading so often in the playoffs. It's not a great recipe for success.
Hopefully our players are back in the lineup next game, and hopefully the refs spend a bunch of time watching video of how much they suck and feel like they owe us next game. Some truly awful calls in this one. It's not why we lost, but it sure doesn't help.
I will say, I'm not sure that Kane is healthy enough to contribute, and if he isn't then I don't know why he's in the lineup. Zero shots in the series. He sucks at passing and can't make an easy breakout to save his life, so if he's not getting shots too? Then he's not giving you much else.
I would love to see Gagner in and the emotional boost that would give the team at home. With last change they could control his matchups too.
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Jay
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Location: Edmonton
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| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:22 |
| smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13 |
Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.
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Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?
Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.
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I'd bet my house he's back next game. If mcdavid scores on the breakaway he would have been back last night.
The guy who lied on the ice like his leg got amputated and had to be helped down the tunnel was back like 2 shifts later.
I was wondering why Nurse kept going back and forth down the tunnel but I guess it makes sense - probably noticed florida players doing it to draw penalties every 5 minutes and the refs biting every time.
[Updated on: Tue, 11 June 2024 04:21]
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Skookum Jim
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Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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| Rutuu wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 22:44 |
.. the puck over the glass doesn't fuss me because it was over the blue line. A good call by the referees.
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Disagree.. according to the rules.. once the puck is inside the defending zone.. the ENTIRE width of the blue line is considered part of the D-zone until the puck completely crosses the FAR EDGE of the blue line (edge closest to neutral zone).. which is the opposite to when bringing the puck INTO the zone.. where the entire width of blue line is considered part of the Neutral zone..
In this game, the puck was shot out before the blue line.. it never cleared the zone before the shot out.. it still had to go past the "outside edge" of the blue line before it would be considered "clear" of the D-zone... it was like a foot and a half inside the D-zone when he shot it out.. delay of game.. refs blew the call.
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Rulebook: If the puck moves from the Neutral Zone into a team’s Attacking Zone, the edge of the blue line closer to the Attacking Zone is the determining edge. Until the puck completely crosses the blue line, the 12 inch width of the blue line is a part of the Neutral Zone.
However, the instant the puck completely crosses the blue line, the determining edge is reversed and the width of the blue line becomes a part of the Attacking Zone.
To paraphrase, the blue line is part of the neutral zone until the puck crosses into the attacking zone, at which point the blue line is now part of the attacking zone.
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[Updated on: Tue, 11 June 2024 04:26]
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Mike
Messages: 1384
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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| Rutuu wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 02:44 |
And the puck over the glass doesn't fuss me because it was over the blue line. A good call by the referees.
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lol what? Nah man - that was a penalty. Almost a full 2 minute 5 on 3? That would have been massive.
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Mike
Messages: 1384
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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Not sure what’s wrong with him, but Kane is pretty useless at this point. Can’t imagine Gagner would be any worse.
And Nurse was obviously in pretty bad shape - can’t see him being 100% Thursday. Have to put Ceci back in, then you can go
Broberg - Desharnais, Kulak - Ceci, or Broberg - Ceci and Kulak - Desharnais. Everybody on their string side.
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Mike
Messages: 1384
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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Well, it's not really a matter of opinion - the initial contact was made inside the defensive zone. Regardless where the puck leaves the stick, it's a delay of game penalty.
From the NHL rulebook, and as discussed by the panel last night:
(iii) On any player who shoots or bats (using his hand or his stick) the puck
directly (non-deflected) out of the playing surface from his defending
zone, except where there is no glass. The determining factor shall be
the position of the puck when it was shot or batted by the offending
player. If contact with the puck occurs while the puck is inside the
defending zone, and subsequently goes out of play, the minor penalty
shall be assessed.
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tardigrade81
Messages: 2164
Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
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| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 07:22 |
| smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13 |
Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.
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Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?
Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.
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There are other players not staying up. We can play much better. And we will at home
Series isn’t over till we lose at home
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4334
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 23:22 |
| smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13 |
Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.
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Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?
Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.
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Didn't Barkov play after the hit?
Pretty funny that every Panther goes down the tunnel now after all the perceived infractions to try and squeeze out a penalty.. and then come right back.. its coaching strategy.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Mike
Messages: 1384
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 10:08 |
| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 23:22 |
| smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13 |
Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.
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Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?
Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.
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Didn't Barkov play after the hit?
Pretty funny that every Panther goes down the tunnel now after all the perceived infractions to try and squeeze out a penalty.. and then come right back.. its coaching strategy.
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I know the chances are slim to none, but I hope the refs watch this and feel totally embarrassed by how they were played and either don't call anything against them, or start calling embellishment.
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Leia
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| Mike wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 06:20 |
Well, it's not really a matter of opinion - the initial contact was made inside the defensive zone. Regardless where the puck leaves the stick, it's a delay of game penalty.
From the NHL rulebook, and as discussed by the panel last night:
(iii) On any player who shoots or bats (using his hand or his stick) the puck
directly (non-deflected) out of the playing surface from his defending
zone, except where there is no glass. The determining factor shall be
the position of the puck when it was shot or batted by the offending
player. If contact with the puck occurs while the puck is inside the
defending zone, and subsequently goes out of play, the minor penalty
shall be assessed.
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We've had the NHL feed for the first two games, not sure why we've not had ABC, but it's either of E. J. Hradek or Jamie Hersch with Kevin Weekes, comically the PbP tried suggesting it wasn't a penalty because it didn't leave the stick till it was outside the zone. It was clear as day inside the zone and whilst our PP hasn't been hot a 5 on 3 goal could have been just the thing to reignite it.
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