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 Re: Review: Dallas @ Edmonton (Game #6) [message #835621 is a reply to message #835555 ]
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Media guys already starting to try to lionize Ken Holland for his role here, rather than rightly credit the players for overcoming bad management to reach the Finals. Here's Gord Miller sucking up, not JUST to Holland, but also to Peter Chiarelli:

Quote:

Gord Miller 🌻🇺🇦
@GMillerTSN

As Edmonton advances to the Stanley Cup Final, Oiler GM Ken Holland is deservedly getting credit for his excellent moves (signing Zach Hyman, trading for Mattias Ekholm, the early season coaching change) but his much-maligned predecessor Peter Chiarelli deserves credit as well.

...

Some of Chiarelli’s moves that paid off? His management group drafted Evan Bouchard (1st rd, 10th overall 2018), Stuart Skinner (3rd rd, 78th overall 2017) and he signed Leon Draisaitl to an 8 year, $8.5m extension, a great contract that was widely criticized at the time.

...

Chiarelli’s administration made mistakes, as has Holland’s, which has made several moves it would like back, but every franchise has contracts it would like to get out of and trades it would like to undo. It’s tough to predict future performance and there’s an element of luck.

...

Holland has been beaten up at times in Edmonton, but his Hall of Fame credentials remain intact, the Oilers are a much better team now than they were when he took over five years ago. He’d be the first one to say that some of the key pieces were put in place by Peter Chiarelli.

...

In the two years before Holland took over, the Oilers finished 23rd and 28th overall. Since then, they’ve made the playoffs every year, have won 6 series, have been to the conference final twice and are about to play in the Stanley Cup Final for the first time in 18 years.



And hey, some of what he says is correct. The Oilers were out of the playoffs when the team sacked Chiarelli (who holds huge responsibility for the terrible finish to 2018 and 2019). And Holland DID add Ekholm and Hyman who are both big contributors.

But this team should have been competitive in most of the last 5 years, and Holland's moves were a big part of the reason that they have not been. Even this year, he fumbled again and again and to look at just the trade deadline alone you can see the difference:

Vancouver Canucks:
Elias Lindholm (Kuzmenko, 2 prospects & 1st rd pick)
Nikita Zadorov (5th rd pick)

Dallas Stars:
Chris Tanev (prospect & 2nd rd pick)

Florida Panthers:
Vlad Tarasenko (Conditional 4th rd pick)
Kyle Okposo (7th & borderline prospect)

Edmonton Oilers:
Adam Henrique (1st round pick)
Sam Carrick
Troy Stecher (4th rd pick)

We paid more, to get less than other teams we're facing. And Henrique has been fine...I don't have any real complaint with the player, but it's not like Holland did everything that could be done to give us the best chance to win this year.

If we win the Cup, it's on McDavid, Draisaitl, Bouchard, Nuge, Skinner, etc. Holland's share of the credit should be minimal and certainly he shouldn't be held up as some amazing builder here...he's been overall bad.

Miller was clearly perplexed to find himself assailed by Oilers fans with no love for Holland after his message...people didn't even bother to comment on Panicky Pete Chiarelli...

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 Re: Review: Dallas @ Edmonton (Game #6) [message #835627 is a reply to message #835621 ]
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I don't even want to know where this season would have gone if Jackson didn't force Knob onto Holland, and we got to see Woody keep trying to figure out how to evolve some combination of the brain dead man on man game plan with the brain dead, heavily advertised, everyone stick in your set zone box game plan. With complimentary video compilations of individual mistakes every evening.

Putting Kulak with Nurse played a part in saving our season IMO. Just a full thumbs down to the RHD Holland gave Knob to work with in the top 4. So glad that worked out.

Lots of magic so far this year to overcome Holland's bumbling. So glad he will be gone. And really hope Jackson has a good pick lined up for GM.

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 Re: Review: Dallas @ Edmonton (Game #6) [message #835660 is a reply to message #835621 ]
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Adam wrote on Tue, 04 June 2024 13:43

Media guys already starting to try to lionize Ken Holland for his role here, rather than rightly credit the players for overcoming bad management to reach the Finals. Here's Gord Miller sucking up, not JUST to Holland, but also to Peter Chiarelli:

Quote:

Gord Miller 🌻🇺🇦
@GMillerTSN

As Edmonton advances to the Stanley Cup Final, Oiler GM Ken Holland is deservedly getting credit for his excellent moves (signing Zach Hyman, trading for Mattias Ekholm, the early season coaching change) but his much-maligned predecessor Peter Chiarelli deserves credit as well.

...

Some of Chiarelli’s moves that paid off? His management group drafted Evan Bouchard (1st rd, 10th overall 2018), Stuart Skinner (3rd rd, 78th overall 2017) and he signed Leon Draisaitl to an 8 year, $8.5m extension, a great contract that was widely criticized at the time.

...

Chiarelli’s administration made mistakes, as has Holland’s, which has made several moves it would like back, but every franchise has contracts it would like to get out of and trades it would like to undo. It’s tough to predict future performance and there’s an element of luck.

...

Holland has been beaten up at times in Edmonton, but his Hall of Fame credentials remain intact, the Oilers are a much better team now than they were when he took over five years ago. He’d be the first one to say that some of the key pieces were put in place by Peter Chiarelli.

...

In the two years before Holland took over, the Oilers finished 23rd and 28th overall. Since then, they’ve made the playoffs every year, have won 6 series, have been to the conference final twice and are about to play in the Stanley Cup Final for the first time in 18 years.



And hey, some of what he says is correct. The Oilers were out of the playoffs when the team sacked Chiarelli (who holds huge responsibility for the terrible finish to 2018 and 2019). And Holland DID add Ekholm and Hyman who are both big contributors.

But this team should have been competitive in most of the last 5 years, and Holland's moves were a big part of the reason that they have not been. Even this year, he fumbled again and again and to look at just the trade deadline alone you can see the difference:

Vancouver Canucks:
Elias Lindholm (Kuzmenko, 2 prospects & 1st rd pick)
Nikita Zadorov (5th rd pick)

Dallas Stars:
Chris Tanev (prospect & 2nd rd pick)

Florida Panthers:
Vlad Tarasenko (Conditional 4th rd pick)
Kyle Okposo (7th & borderline prospect)

Edmonton Oilers:
Adam Henrique (1st round pick)
Sam Carrick
Troy Stecher (4th rd pick)

We paid more, to get less than other teams we're facing. And Henrique has been fine...I don't have any real complaint with the player, but it's not like Holland did everything that could be done to give us the best chance to win this year.

If we win the Cup, it's on McDavid, Draisaitl, Bouchard, Nuge, Skinner, etc. Holland's share of the credit should be minimal and certainly he shouldn't be held up as some amazing builder here...he's been overall bad.

Miller was clearly perplexed to find himself assailed by Oilers fans with no love for Holland after his message...people didn't even bother to comment on Panicky Pete Chiarelli...


Applauding Chiarelli (and Holland) for this Finals appearance is like praising Mr. Magoo for great vision because he always gets where he intends by the end of the episode.

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 Re: Review: Dallas @ Edmonton (Game #6) [message #835661 is a reply to message #835660 ]
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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 13:07

Adam wrote on Tue, 04 June 2024 13:43

Media guys already starting to try to lionize Ken Holland for his role here, rather than rightly credit the players for overcoming bad management to reach the Finals. Here's Gord Miller sucking up, not JUST to Holland, but also to Peter Chiarelli:

Quote:

Gord Miller 🌻🇺🇦
@GMillerTSN

As Edmonton advances to the Stanley Cup Final, Oiler GM Ken Holland is deservedly getting credit for his excellent moves (signing Zach Hyman, trading for Mattias Ekholm, the early season coaching change) but his much-maligned predecessor Peter Chiarelli deserves credit as well.

...

Some of Chiarelli’s moves that paid off? His management group drafted Evan Bouchard (1st rd, 10th overall 2018), Stuart Skinner (3rd rd, 78th overall 2017) and he signed Leon Draisaitl to an 8 year, $8.5m extension, a great contract that was widely criticized at the time.

...

Chiarelli’s administration made mistakes, as has Holland’s, which has made several moves it would like back, but every franchise has contracts it would like to get out of and trades it would like to undo. It’s tough to predict future performance and there’s an element of luck.

...

Holland has been beaten up at times in Edmonton, but his Hall of Fame credentials remain intact, the Oilers are a much better team now than they were when he took over five years ago. He’d be the first one to say that some of the key pieces were put in place by Peter Chiarelli.

...

In the two years before Holland took over, the Oilers finished 23rd and 28th overall. Since then, they’ve made the playoffs every year, have won 6 series, have been to the conference final twice and are about to play in the Stanley Cup Final for the first time in 18 years.



And hey, some of what he says is correct. The Oilers were out of the playoffs when the team sacked Chiarelli (who holds huge responsibility for the terrible finish to 2018 and 2019). And Holland DID add Ekholm and Hyman who are both big contributors.

But this team should have been competitive in most of the last 5 years, and Holland's moves were a big part of the reason that they have not been. Even this year, he fumbled again and again and to look at just the trade deadline alone you can see the difference:

Vancouver Canucks:
Elias Lindholm (Kuzmenko, 2 prospects & 1st rd pick)
Nikita Zadorov (5th rd pick)

Dallas Stars:
Chris Tanev (prospect & 2nd rd pick)

Florida Panthers:
Vlad Tarasenko (Conditional 4th rd pick)
Kyle Okposo (7th & borderline prospect)

Edmonton Oilers:
Adam Henrique (1st round pick)
Sam Carrick
Troy Stecher (4th rd pick)

We paid more, to get less than other teams we're facing. And Henrique has been fine...I don't have any real complaint with the player, but it's not like Holland did everything that could be done to give us the best chance to win this year.

If we win the Cup, it's on McDavid, Draisaitl, Bouchard, Nuge, Skinner, etc. Holland's share of the credit should be minimal and certainly he shouldn't be held up as some amazing builder here...he's been overall bad.

Miller was clearly perplexed to find himself assailed by Oilers fans with no love for Holland after his message...people didn't even bother to comment on Panicky Pete Chiarelli...


Applauding Chiarelli (and Holland) for this Finals appearance is like praising Mr. Magoo for great vision because he always gets where he intends by the end of the episode.


Chia would have traded Bouch by now. Probably Skinner as well. Likely would have an extra 6M worth of buyouts on the books.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 13:07


Applauding Chiarelli (and Holland) for this Finals appearance is like praising Mr. Magoo for great vision because he always gets where he intends by the end of the episode.


Gregor was at this yesterday too. Had an interview allowing Holland to brag up a lot of what he has done ("Fortunately, I traded Lucic for Neal, so we could buy out Neal which allowed us to afford Hyman!" may be my favourite bit of revisionism in the piece. I also loved all the parts where he preached the importance of depth and then talked up signing guys like Josh Archibald and Klim Kostin). Then Gregor banged away on twitter about how Old Dutch's leadership has made the Oilers one of the premier teams in the league over his time here.

They really are all masters at setting the bar incredibly low.

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 Re: Review: Dallas @ Edmonton (Game #6) [message #835670 is a reply to message #835621 ]
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Adam wrote on Tue, 04 June 2024 17:13

And hey, some of what he says is correct. The Oilers were out of the playoffs when the team sacked Chiarelli (who holds huge responsibility for the terrible finish to 2018 and 2019). And Holland DID add Ekholm and Hyman who are both big contributors.


I stopped crapping on Holland for his lack of work, BUT I still have a hard time giving him too much credit for Hyman. He didn't turn him away, but, from everything we've heard, Hyman choose Edmonton all by himself.

No different than Kane and Perry. Kane pretty well had no where else to go and I'm not sure too many other teams were lining up to get Perry earlier this year either.


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Hibernia wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 10:44

Adam wrote on Tue, 04 June 2024 17:13

And hey, some of what he says is correct. The Oilers were out of the playoffs when the team sacked Chiarelli (who holds huge responsibility for the terrible finish to 2018 and 2019). And Holland DID add Ekholm and Hyman who are both big contributors.


I stopped crapping on Holland for his lack of work, BUT I still have a hard time giving him too much credit for Hyman. He didn't turn him away, but, from everything we've heard, Hyman choose Edmonton all by himself.

No different than Kane and Perry. Kane pretty well had no where else to go and I'm not sure too many other teams were lining up to get Perry earlier this year either.



Holland being highest bidder for a hyped UFA is definitely just his thing. he sank the red wings doing the same, and unfortunately never hit a Hyman. If you just keep high bidding though, eventually you get a hit! He shouldn't be bragging about Lucic/Neal as why he could afford Hyman. He should be thanking Markstrom for not taking his highest bid the summer before :)

Kane/Perry were desperation moves to make up for his run of weak GMing. He's one of the only guys willing to do it partially because he's one of the only guys that is so desperate to try to add something to our lineup any way possible, any mental blocks because of morals/decency out the window.

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 Re: Review: Dallas @ Edmonton (Game #6) [message #835677 is a reply to message #835675 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 15:06

Hibernia wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 10:44

Adam wrote on Tue, 04 June 2024 17:13

And hey, some of what he says is correct. The Oilers were out of the playoffs when the team sacked Chiarelli (who holds huge responsibility for the terrible finish to 2018 and 2019). And Holland DID add Ekholm and Hyman who are both big contributors.


I stopped crapping on Holland for his lack of work, BUT I still have a hard time giving him too much credit for Hyman. He didn't turn him away, but, from everything we've heard, Hyman choose Edmonton all by himself.

No different than Kane and Perry. Kane pretty well had no where else to go and I'm not sure too many other teams were lining up to get Perry earlier this year either.



Holland being highest bidder for a hyped UFA is definitely just his thing. he sank the red wings doing the same, and unfortunately never hit a Hyman. If you just keep high bidding though, eventually you get a hit! He shouldn't be bragging about Lucic/Neal as why he could afford Hyman. He should be thanking Markstrom for not taking his highest bid the summer before :)

Kane/Perry were desperation moves to make up for his run of weak GMing. He's one of the only guys willing to do it partially because he's one of the only guys that is so desperate to try to add something to our lineup any way possible, any mental blocks because of morals/decency out the window.


I think he could have done more up to this point - his excuse when he got here was he was handcuffed by Chiarelli's mess, and as soon as he got some space he pissed it all away.

His failures IMO: Not addressing goaltending a few years ago. Running Smith and Koskinen 4 years in a row was absolutely ridiculous. Not singing Bouchard to a longer deal. Nurse's contract.

I am happy he finally started using draft picks while we are in a win now mode to try to bolster the team. Ekholm last year was obviously a great addition (though the 4% retention was lame). A 1st for Henrique this year? Pretty expensive compared to the rest of the market IMO - looking at the other returns for 1st round picks, Henrique is a bit underwhelming, but he definitely is a welcome addition. If we win the Cup, this turns into a homerun (I think he is a big part of this roster right now)

The really good deals - well Hyman is being lauded as arguably the greatest UFA signings in history. Both in terms of fit and cap hit, he was a grand slam. Way better than I expected. Extending RNH at his number also a huge win IMO. A 100+ point season, over 1PPG in these playoffs, and playing some of the best end to end hockey in his career.

So I think he could have done better, but we've had worse than him.

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Mike wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 12:51

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 15:06

Hibernia wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 10:44

Adam wrote on Tue, 04 June 2024 17:13

And hey, some of what he says is correct. The Oilers were out of the playoffs when the team sacked Chiarelli (who holds huge responsibility for the terrible finish to 2018 and 2019). And Holland DID add Ekholm and Hyman who are both big contributors.


I stopped crapping on Holland for his lack of work, BUT I still have a hard time giving him too much credit for Hyman. He didn't turn him away, but, from everything we've heard, Hyman choose Edmonton all by himself.

No different than Kane and Perry. Kane pretty well had no where else to go and I'm not sure too many other teams were lining up to get Perry earlier this year either.



Holland being highest bidder for a hyped UFA is definitely just his thing. he sank the red wings doing the same, and unfortunately never hit a Hyman. If you just keep high bidding though, eventually you get a hit! He shouldn't be bragging about Lucic/Neal as why he could afford Hyman. He should be thanking Markstrom for not taking his highest bid the summer before :)

Kane/Perry were desperation moves to make up for his run of weak GMing. He's one of the only guys willing to do it partially because he's one of the only guys that is so desperate to try to add something to our lineup any way possible, any mental blocks because of morals/decency out the window.


I think he could have done more up to this point - his excuse when he got here was he was handcuffed by Chiarelli's mess, and as soon as he got some space he pissed it all away.

His failures IMO: Not addressing goaltending a few years ago. Running Smith and Koskinen 4 years in a row was absolutely ridiculous. Not singing Bouchard to a longer deal. Nurse's contract.

I am happy he finally started using draft picks while we are in a win now mode to try to bolster the team. Ekholm last year was obviously a great addition (though the 4% retention was lame). A 1st for Henrique this year? Pretty expensive compared to the rest of the market IMO - looking at the other returns for 1st round picks, Henrique is a bit underwhelming, but he definitely is a welcome addition. If we win the Cup, this turns into a homerun (I think he is a big part of this roster right now)

The really good deals - well Hyman is being lauded as arguably the greatest UFA signings in history. Both in terms of fit and cap hit, he was a grand slam. Way better than I expected. Extending RNH at his number also a huge win IMO. A 100+ point season, over 1PPG in these playoffs, and playing some of the best end to end hockey in his career.

So I think he could have done better, but we've had worse than him.


That's a tallest midget competition there. He's had more going for the team than any of the prior 3 GMs at the point where he took it over.

I think my biggest issue with Holland is the complete lack of urgency. He failed to ever take advantage of cap games that other teams have successfully pioneered. He sure didn't ever do anything innovative himself.

And did he ever really grab the bull by the horns and push to take this team to the Finals?

Well, let's look at the tape:

2020 Trade Deadline:
Oilers
- acquired Tyler Ennis for 5th rd pick
- Mike Green for Brodziak & cond'l 4th rd pick
- Athanasiou for Gagner & two 2nd rd picks
Lightning
- Blake Coleman for 1st rd pick
- Barclay Goodrow for 1st rd pick
Stars
- none

2021
Oilers
- Kulikov for 4th rd pick
Lightning
- David Savard for 1st & 4th rd picks
Canadiens
- Eric Staal for 3rd & 5th rd picks
- Jon Merrill for H. Verbeek & 5th rd pick
- Erik Gustafsson for 7th rd pick

2022
Oilers
- Kulak for Lagesson, 2nd rd & 7th rd picks
- Brassard for 4th rd picks
Avalanche
- Josh Manson for Helleson & 2nd round pick
- Nico Sturm for Jost
- Artturi Lehkonen for Barron & 2nd rd pick
- Cogliano for 5th rd pick
Lightning
- Brandon Hagel & two 4th rd picks for Raddysh, Katchouk & two 1st rd picks.
- Riley Nash for futures

2023
Oilers
- Ekholm for Barrie, Schaefer, 1st & 4th rd picks
- Bjugstad for Kesselring & 3rd rd pick
Golden Knights
- Ivan Barbashev for Zach Dean
- Jonathan Quick for Hutchinson & 7th rd pick
- Blueger for Diliberatore & 3rd rd pick
Panthers
- none

2024
Oilers
- Adam Henrique & Sam Carrick for 1st, 4th & Conditional 5th picks
- Troy Stecher & 7th rd pick for 4th rd pick
Panthers
- Tarasenko for 3rd & 4th rd picks
- Okposo for Sjalin & 7th rd pick
- Magnus Hellberg for Waeber & 7th rd pick

Generally, we've got less while paying more in trade deadline trades during the Ken Holland era. It's worth noting too, that as much as we've claimed cap challenges are part of the reason for that, Tampa Bay and Vegas had much more severe challenges to weather and managed to add significant pieces. Colorado was pretty tight to the cap and added FOUR pieces, all of whom played significant roles in their Cup win (and their sweep of the Oilers).

I mean, that's without even getting in to a lot of the other things those teams did to make themselves real contenders through this period. The fact is, Holland did the bare minimum and got paid handsomely for it, so people shouldn't really see this as vindication for him and all the slings and arrows he's had to take from people like me who just can't see his true quality and how perfect this plan of his was.

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Feels surreal, it was a lifetime ago when we went to Game 7 in 2006.

That being said I hate playing Tkachuk and it would be devastating to lose in the Finals.

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A healthy Kane would be huge for the oilers. He will go after tkachuk and get in his head.. Hopefully 6 days is enough for a bunch of guys to get right.

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Not how any of would have drawn this win up, eh? Passive on the attack since the 2nd goal. Zero chance the Oilers could have won a similar game in the McDavid era until this year and these playoffs.

So happy for my fellow fans young and old to get here again, hope they can seal the deal with 4 more W's. Here we are again, 18 years in the making, here we go, bring the Cup home, boys!

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Full circle. We drafted McDavid in Florida (I was there and was interviewed by Gene Principe - Long story for another day), and now we return to finish the story.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 03 June 2024 02:55

What a crowd! 👍🏻

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I thought the Oilers, except Skinner looked really nervous and played most of the game not to lose. When a team does that, generally the other team keeps coming at you. So I thought that crowd played a massive factor in the game willing the team to win.

That being said, I thought the Oilers defensive game really limited the Stars high danger chances given how many shots they had.

With all that high end players and how they played for years, I never thought the strength of the team which takes them to the finals would be in not particular order:
- Goaltending
- PK
- Defense.

This team can score when needed. Their PP is unmatched and at times unstoppable and generally the only reason their PP doesn't score is if the miss the net, hit a post or don't execute. But they can defend!! At times they can totally lock down a game and not allow the opposition anything. When they don't completely lock it down, they bend but don't break way more times than not. Plus they appear to have a goalie more than capable of stealing games when needed.

I don't know who decided to let Woody go and hire Knoblauch but whoever did, deserves a ton of credit. Knoblaugh has been unbelievable He's pushing the right buttons just about every time. He has mssive balls with his lineup changes and he taught/convinced the Oilers players to play defense. The players have talked for YEARS about how they need to improve defensively but it never happened. It finally did and look at the results. I liked Woody but no chance in hell they are in the finals if he was still behind the bench.

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Overall the high danger chances were 11-7 for Dallas. Which looks totally different from any other stat, but also does make sense for ppl that watched the game. Dallas got 1 high danger chance in 6 mins of PP time. Our PK and their PP were a huge difference in the series. And last night, considering high danger chances were close, we had the best chance of them all, the absolute something out of nothing game breaking goal by McDavid.


Glad Broberg finally looks like he achieved overripe status. I wasn't at all surprised either that Broberg was the only positive possession player for us last night based on how good he looked all night long. It's like we got to add another Kulak. So every pair now has a player that can skate and make a pass. When you have all of Nurse/Ceci/Vinny in the lineup, you are forced to have at least 1 pair that is weak at something in our end, usually being able to make passes for controlled breakouts (none of Nurse/Ceci/Vinny are good at that). Seemed nuts to put Nurse/Kulak together, but I think that may actually have been the best player to play with Nurse now. Kudos to Knob trying it. It was not an obvious fix and not something tried all year long, but it has worked.

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 Re: Review: Dallas @ Edmonton (Game #6) [message #835591 is a reply to message #835516 ]
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Star Trek Enterprise has a great intro and it encapsulates the Oilers and their will to stay in the game, when I lost faith, they proved me wrong, and how I have enjoyed being wrong.

When the Oilers were last in the league I turned off the Oilers refusing to let them hurt me again with a lacklustre effort and broken dreams, and throughout this playoffs I watched but with a side eye slant thinking "Oh here were go, cue the collapse" The western final Game 3 was a horrible, I lost faith and kept losing faith as the games moved forward.

The prove me wrong again. How sweet it is to feel this sense of, "I know nothing!" No one knows how the next games are going to go but what a ride it will be.

Fugly win, but to win in these playoffs you have to win games you shouldn't. I wasn't nervous when Dallas scored, but holy clench in the last 6 or so minutes.

I joined this board just after the Pronger stuff in 2006, back when Twitter wasn't a thing, the blue mile is where people went nuts and ladies showed their assets (although I did see an incident in Rogers where someone exposed herself,), and I needed a venue to talk about the Oilers and this lovely site was here for me. 18 years ago, and a few of you are still here. I'm overcome by the users of this welcoming site, both old and new and I'm thankful to MJ who continues this on.

The decade of darkness, the defending and tearing down of Pat Quinn, Hitchock, Eakins, Hall, Omark, Paajarvi, Eberle and I was a season ticket holder from 2007 to 2020 (when the pandemic hit), I had lots of personal changes, got a wonderful little one and lots of people sadly have left this earth.

This run has made me introspective, and I'm actually cherishing the Oilers wins one by one proving me wrong time and time again, keep doing it.

Too all of you on this forum, thanks for being here. (even you RD hehehehe)

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We are in the cup finals with a legit chance at winning. It wasn't won by fluke, it wasn't won by McD scoring insane amount of points every game, the team is legit good. Yet people still feel the need to dump on the GM rather than be thrilled the team made it. WOW. Just WOW.

I don't know why I am surprised this is happening but I am. Is what it is I guess for some fans.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 12:51

We are in the cup finals with a legit chance at winning. It wasn't won by fluke, it wasn't won by McD scoring insane amount of points every game, the team is legit good. Yet people still feel the need to dump on the GM rather than be thrilled the team made it. WOW. Just WOW.

I don't know why I am surprised this is happening but I am. Is what it is I guess for some fans.


There is a whole week off with nothing else to talk about.

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oilfan94 wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 11:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 12:51

We are in the cup finals with a legit chance at winning. It wasn't won by fluke, it wasn't won by McD scoring insane amount of points every game, the team is legit good. Yet people still feel the need to dump on the GM rather than be thrilled the team made it. WOW. Just WOW.

I don't know why I am surprised this is happening but I am. Is what it is I guess for some fans.


There is a whole week off with nothing else to talk about.

I guess so.

He's made some mistakes I am not happy about. But the team he helped build is in the finals I assumed people would be over the moon happy. Apparently not.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 10:51

We are in the cup finals with a legit chance at winning. It wasn't won by fluke, it wasn't won by McD scoring insane amount of points every game, the team is legit good. Yet people still feel the need to dump on the GM rather than be thrilled the team made it. WOW. Just WOW.

I don't know why I am surprised this is happening but I am. Is what it is I guess for some fans.


Better that we skewer the GM than some of the players.

I think everyone would be fine with ignoring Holland, if it were not for media guys trying to glorify him and overstate his contributions to getting us to this point.

Once those are brought up, I think it's pretty fair to critique that - after all, he's been the highest paid GM in the league and had McDavid and Draisaitl in their primes and never won a game past the second round until this year.

The goaltending and the depth have been weak points for virtually all years, and he's failed to add the pieces needed to get the group over the hump. Even this year, he's relied entirely on the top guys going supernova in order to get us here.

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Adam wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 13:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 10:51

We are in the cup finals with a legit chance at winning. It wasn't won by fluke, it wasn't won by McD scoring insane amount of points every game, the team is legit good. Yet people still feel the need to dump on the GM rather than be thrilled the team made it. WOW. Just WOW.

I don't know why I am surprised this is happening but I am. Is what it is I guess for some fans.


Better that we skewer the GM than some of the players.

I think everyone would be fine with ignoring Holland, if it were not for media guys trying to glorify him and overstate his contributions to getting us to this point.

Once those are brought up, I think it's pretty fair to critique that - after all, he's been the highest paid GM in the league and had McDavid and Draisaitl in their primes and never won a game past the second round until this year.

The goaltending and the depth have been weak points for virtually all years, and he's failed to add the pieces needed to get the group over the hump. Even this year, he's relied entirely on the top guys going supernova in order to get us here.


Totally serious saying that if Knob didn't take the risk to play Kulak on the right side, and just stuck with the RHD group Holland left him and forced Ceci or Vinny with Nurse the rest of the way vs Dallas, we very likely would be out right now.

If Holland just stuck with Woody and wasn't forced to take Knob on by Jackson, we may not have even made the playoffs.

It's remarkable what's been done this year to get around management incompetence. I really hope it can keep going one more round!

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The Oilers are so confident with their PK, they deciding to play the entire game that way!

It wasn't pretty, but the win is what matters.

Now they need to get ready to play Florida. I will be happy with a split after the first two games. The early part of each series has been close to a toss up, but KK seems to find ways to make the Oilers better as the series goes on.

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Lucky enough to have seen all the championships, though father time has robbed me of a lot of the memories.

For nine years I've been trying to brainwash my son into being an Oilers fan. We're supposed to be going to Game 5. He's already agreed to wear his McDavid jersey. If this doesn't do it, nothing will.

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Good to hear. I have fortunately been successful in turning my son to the light side of the force (he was formerly a Red Wings fan)

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I did the same thing with two of my three daughters, one of them has no interest in NHL hockey but has become a big fan of going to Ice Dog games with me (OHL). The key for me to get them hooked when they were little was to let them stay up late to watch the Oilers hockey game with me only if they would wear something Oilers (a jersey, t-shirt, hat, etc...) during the game. It definitely helped being in the eastern time zone so they were super excited to stay up past their bed time. I also used to gaslight them by saying that the game was over at the end of the first period when they were too young to know better. It meant I had some explaining to do when they went to bed with the Oilers leading after the first thinking they won the game and then finding out in the morning that they lost. I usually just attributed that to them being up so late that they must have been dreaming about the win or that they just remembered wrong they were so tired.

I am not saying lying to your kids is a good idea, but I won't complain about the results since the two of them (age 14 and 18) love to watch most games with me still to this day. My oldest was away at Uni for most of the season so we didn't get to watch too much together (it has been great to have her home for the summer) but it was still something we texted and talked about.

I know this will make me sound like an old man (I guess I am) but, the hockey (and specifically the Oilers) has been the greatest connection between my daughters and I. We can and do talk about so many things but during those years when teenage girls tend to pull away from their parents (and especially their dad), we have maintained a love for the team and it has meant that communication channels have always remained open.

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Hibernia wrote on Tue, 04 June 2024 05:59

Lucky enough to have seen all the championships, though father time has robbed me of a lot of the memories.

For nine years I've been trying to brainwash my son into being an Oilers fan. We're supposed to be going to Game 5. He's already agreed to wear his McDavid jersey. If this doesn't do it, nothing will.


I think we're similar vintage. I was 7 when the Oilers won the first Cup, so remember them all, although we probably took them a little for granted for a while there...It's nice to be back in the Finals again.

Mike mentioned to me yesterday that the time since our last appearance in 2006 (18 years) is longer than the time from 1990-2006 (just 16). That's pretty crazy. It means that there's this large segment of the fanbase for who even 2006 is a distant memory if that. Most of my team at work was too young to really be part of the party.

My kids were born years after 2006, so this is their first time ever seeing us here. Picking my 11 year up the other day, she actually asked to have the Oilers talk left on the radio! My
five year old has been dressing in blue and orange a lot, and even chose those colours for her nails this week. It's funny how much of a difference a long run makes in building fans...

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Neat note from Edmonton’s series-clinching win over Dallas:

Fans set a new merchandise sales record for any Stanley Cup playoff game (first three rounds).

Working on the numbers, but one of Vancouver’s second-round home games was the previous standard — this one came in 13 per cent higher. 

Big night.



Just another thing for nucks fans to complain about....

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Speaking of merch, I see that the authentic sweaters with the cup patch are now on sale down here at Fanatics.... Do I finally pull the trigger?

(I have bad luck with jerseys and haven't gotten one since my Signed Comrie one back in the day...)

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