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Jack Adams finalists [message #833025]	Fri, 03 May 2024 10:10

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Rick Bowness, Andrew Brunette and Rick Tocchet were named finalists for the Jack Adams Award on Friday. The winner of the award, which is given annually to the top coach in the NHL as voted on by the National Broadcasters' Association.

Kris Knoblauch's record is 46-18-5 in his 69 games as an NHL head coach.
extrapolated to a full 82 games, this would be 54.5 - 21.5 - 6

Rick Bowness's record is 52-24-6 in 82 this year
Andrew Brunette's record is 47-30-5 in 82 this year
Rick Tochet's record is 50-23-9 in 82 this year

Now, I've never cared about the JA award before, but this seems like a snub to me.
Since Kris took over the bench, our boys have been the best in the league.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #833026 is a reply to message #833025 ]	Fri, 03 May 2024 10:47

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #833028 is a reply to message #833025 ]	Fri, 03 May 2024 11:29

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I see the Oilers getting shutout of all the awards this season--expect the Hart finalists to be Kucherov, MacKinnon, and Matthews.

I'm ok with that as long as an Oiler wins the Conn Smythe.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #833030 is a reply to message #833028 ]	Fri, 03 May 2024 12:01

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benv wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 14:29

I'm ok with that as long as an Oiler wins the Conn Smythe.

Just so long as it's not the Hextall/Giguere variety.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #837022 is a reply to message #833030 ]	Mon, 24 June 2024 21:06

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Mike wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 15:01

benv wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 14:29

I'm ok with that as long as an Oiler wins the Conn Smythe.

Just so long as it's not the Hextall/Giguere variety.

Goddammit

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #837030 is a reply to message #837022 ]	Mon, 24 June 2024 21:25

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Mike wrote on Mon, 24 June 2024 21:06

Mike wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 15:01

benv wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 14:29

I'm ok with that as long as an Oiler wins the Conn Smythe.

Just so long as it's not the Hextall/Giguere variety.

Goddammit

If management can pull off some good moves, and we contend for the pres trophy next year, I think Knob has it the Jack Adams in the bag.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #833137 is a reply to message #833028 ]	Tue, 07 May 2024 12:54

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benv wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 11:29

I see the Oilers getting shutout of all the awards this season--expect the Hart finalists to be Kucherov, MacKinnon, and Matthews.

I'm ok with that as long as an Oiler wins the Conn Smythe.

Colour me surprised--it looks like the hockey writers proved me wrong.

McDavid was named one of the Hart finalists (with Kucherov and MacKinnon):

https://www.nhl.com/news/2024-nhl-hart-trophy-finalists-anno unced.

I guess with Matthews nominated for both the Lady Bying and Selke (as well as being guaranteed the Rocket Richard) he didn't need this.

I still predict McDavid will be third in voting (and that's probably not unreasonable).

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #833138 is a reply to message #833137 ]	Tue, 07 May 2024 13:13

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benv wrote on Tue, 07 May 2024 12:54

benv wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 11:29

I see the Oilers getting shutout of all the awards this season--expect the Hart finalists to be Kucherov, MacKinnon, and Matthews.

I'm ok with that as long as an Oiler wins the Conn Smythe.

Colour me surprised--it looks like the hockey writers proved me wrong.

McDavid was named one of the Hart finalists (with Kucherov and MacKinnon):

https://www.nhl.com/news/2024-nhl-hart-trophy-finalists-anno unced.

I guess with Matthews nominated for both the Lady Bying and Selke (as well as being guaranteed the Rocket Richard) he didn't need this.

I still predict McDavid will be third in voting (and that's probably not unreasonable).

Man, Matthews is so good defensively, you would think he would play on the PK once in a while. I guess he did somehow get his first short-handed point of his career this season, maybe had to come out at the tail end of a 4 min or 5 min. Or rare 2nd unit duty when Marner is in the box.

The stat tracker for the leafs probably needs a forced replacement. Matthews just gets infinite takeaways. Also the pens one, old man Malkin has even more takeaways and seems to almost never give the puck away too.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #833139 is a reply to message #833138 ]	Tue, 07 May 2024 13:20

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 May 2024 13:13

benv wrote on Tue, 07 May 2024 12:54

benv wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 11:29

I see the Oilers getting shutout of all the awards this season--expect the Hart finalists to be Kucherov, MacKinnon, and Matthews.

I'm ok with that as long as an Oiler wins the Conn Smythe.

Colour me surprised--it looks like the hockey writers proved me wrong.

McDavid was named one of the Hart finalists (with Kucherov and MacKinnon):

https://www.nhl.com/news/2024-nhl-hart-trophy-finalists-anno unced.

I guess with Matthews nominated for both the Lady Bying and Selke (as well as being guaranteed the Rocket Richard) he didn't need this.

I still predict McDavid will be third in voting (and that's probably not unreasonable).

Man, Matthews is so good defensively, you would think he would play on the PK once in a while. I guess he did somehow get his first short-handed point of his career this season, maybe had to come out at the tail end of a 4 min or 5 min. Or rare 2nd unit duty when Marner is in the box.

The stat tracker for the leafs probably needs a forced replacement. Matthews just gets infinite takeaways. Also the pens one, old man Malkin has even more takeaways and seems to almost never give the puck away too.

Seriously? Selke voting?!? Without penalty killing on the resume? Interesting take. He's 14th in +/- too...so what's the rationale here? Just Toronto cabal of sports media who couldn't bear leaving him off the list on Hart so threw him a bone somewhere else?

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #833140 is a reply to message #833139 ]	Tue, 07 May 2024 13:27

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Adam wrote on Tue, 07 May 2024 13:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 May 2024 13:13

benv wrote on Tue, 07 May 2024 12:54

benv wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 11:29

I see the Oilers getting shutout of all the awards this season--expect the Hart finalists to be Kucherov, MacKinnon, and Matthews.

I'm ok with that as long as an Oiler wins the Conn Smythe.

Colour me surprised--it looks like the hockey writers proved me wrong.

McDavid was named one of the Hart finalists (with Kucherov and MacKinnon):

https://www.nhl.com/news/2024-nhl-hart-trophy-finalists-anno unced.

I guess with Matthews nominated for both the Lady Bying and Selke (as well as being guaranteed the Rocket Richard) he didn't need this.

I still predict McDavid will be third in voting (and that's probably not unreasonable).

Man, Matthews is so good defensively, you would think he would play on the PK once in a while. I guess he did somehow get his first short-handed point of his career this season, maybe had to come out at the tail end of a 4 min or 5 min. Or rare 2nd unit duty when Marner is in the box.

The stat tracker for the leafs probably needs a forced replacement. Matthews just gets infinite takeaways. Also the pens one, old man Malkin has even more takeaways and seems to almost never give the puck away too.

Seriously? Selke voting?!? Without penalty killing on the resume? Interesting take. He's 14th in +/- too...so what's the rationale here? Just Toronto cabal of sports media who couldn't bear leaving him off the list on Hart so threw him a bone somewhere else?

Ever heard of a stat called "Loose puck retrievals??"

He racks up takeaways too, but those stats are really hard to trust with the variance of stat keepers thresholds between arenas.

Feels like voters just out of ideas and Matthews takeaway highlights get played up a lot with TO media. Might be a lot of players with voting totals very close to Matthews. He just got over the hump for 3rd with a little "shoved down peoples throats" boost.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #833141 is a reply to message #833140 ]	Tue, 07 May 2024 13:42

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 May 2024 13:27

Adam wrote on Tue, 07 May 2024 13:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 May 2024 13:13

benv wrote on Tue, 07 May 2024 12:54

benv wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 11:29

I see the Oilers getting shutout of all the awards this season--expect the Hart finalists to be Kucherov, MacKinnon, and Matthews.

I'm ok with that as long as an Oiler wins the Conn Smythe.

Colour me surprised--it looks like the hockey writers proved me wrong.

McDavid was named one of the Hart finalists (with Kucherov and MacKinnon):

https://www.nhl.com/news/2024-nhl-hart-trophy-finalists-anno unced.

I guess with Matthews nominated for both the Lady Bying and Selke (as well as being guaranteed the Rocket Richard) he didn't need this.

I still predict McDavid will be third in voting (and that's probably not unreasonable).

Man, Matthews is so good defensively, you would think he would play on the PK once in a while. I guess he did somehow get his first short-handed point of his career this season, maybe had to come out at the tail end of a 4 min or 5 min. Or rare 2nd unit duty when Marner is in the box.

The stat tracker for the leafs probably needs a forced replacement. Matthews just gets infinite takeaways. Also the pens one, old man Malkin has even more takeaways and seems to almost never give the puck away too.

Seriously? Selke voting?!? Without penalty killing on the resume? Interesting take. He's 14th in +/- too...so what's the rationale here? Just Toronto cabal of sports media who couldn't bear leaving him off the list on Hart so threw him a bone somewhere else?

Ever heard of a stat called "Loose puck retrievals??"

He racks up takeaways too, but those stats are really hard to trust with the variance of stat keepers thresholds between arenas.

Feels like voters just out of ideas and Matthews takeaway highlights get played up a lot with TO media. Might be a lot of players with voting totals very close to Matthews. He just got over the hump for 3rd with a little "shoved down peoples throats" boost.

I'm blame Bergeron. If he hadn't retired, then it's a free spot on the bingo card for the media guys. He's gone and all of a sudden they have to fill that with someone.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #833029 is a reply to message #833025 ]	Fri, 03 May 2024 11:43

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 10:10

Rick Bowness, Andrew Brunette and Rick Tocchet were named finalists for the Jack Adams Award on Friday. The winner of the award, which is given annually to the top coach in the NHL as voted on by the National Broadcasters' Association.

Kris Knoblauch's record is 46-18-5 in his 69 games as an NHL head coach.
extrapolated to a full 82 games, this would be 54.5 - 21.5 - 6

Rick Bowness's record is 52-24-6 in 82 this year
Andrew Brunette's record is 47-30-5 in 82 this year
Rick Tochet's record is 50-23-9 in 82 this year

Now, I've never cared about the JA award before, but this seems like a snub to me.
Since Kris took over the bench, our boys have been the best in the league.

I don't really care about Jack Adam's but I do agree with you about it being a snub especially when you take into consideration Brunette being in there.

Before they went on an insane hot streak for the last couple of months of the season, Brunette's team wasn't very good and they were considered a seller in the month or so before heading into the deadline. Knoblaugh took over in early November when his team was dead last and turned them into the best team in the NHL record wise. He won 67% of his games. If the team did that over 82, that's a 55 win season. That's pretty impressive.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #833032 is a reply to message #833025 ]	Fri, 03 May 2024 15:23

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Bowness probably gets it because the hockey media loves their lifetime achievement awards and Bowness has been around a really, really long time. He's never won anything in his life - no Cups, no awards, very few games so they're going to feel that he's due.

The trophy is a bit of a joke - everyone gets to have it once if you've been around long enough. In it's entire history, there's only been 8 people to win it twice, including just one, Pat Burns, who won it three times. Because the voters are so focused on season-over-season differences - coaches who have consistently good teams don't get votes.

As for the three of them, I am not really much of a fan of either Bowness or Tocchet. Bowness is literally one of the worst coaches of all-time. Even after that tremendous season, he remains at a .439 points percentage in his over 800 NHL games behind the bench. Good on him for pulling that number up considerably this year though. He was right in the neighbourhood of Dallas Eakins (.408) going into the year.

As for Tocchet, no one wants to be coach of the year more. He's over-the-top with trying to make himself the story. Here's hoping he never gets that recognition. If the Canucks can win another game, it'll be the first time in Tocchet's seven seasons behind an NHL bench that he wins a series. He is .512 though, so ahead of Bowness for the career.

Given all that, I'm cheering for the only non-Rick...even though he has no chance against the old guy.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #833034 is a reply to message #833032 ]	Fri, 03 May 2024 17:25

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Does anyone want their coach to win the jack Adams? Hasn't it been a pretty good kiss of death for a coaches current gig?

Go Tocchet!

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #833954 is a reply to message #833025 ]	Tue, 14 May 2024 21:36

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This can be the de facto awards thread I guess...

The Messier award is kind of a joke, and picking Trouba as the winner just reinforces that. Even the definition of the award is kind of stupid.

Quote:

The award is given to a player selected by Hockey Hall of Fame center Mark Messier to honor an individual who leads by positive example through on-ice performance, motivation of team members and a dedication to community activities and charitable causes.

Every other award has a bunch of people helping select it and at least some kind of parameters. This one? I mean, how do you measure motivating team members? How much does charity actually impact it? I just don't get this one at all. It's basically just who does Mark Messier kind of like who hasn't already won this.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #833957 is a reply to message #833954 ]	Tue, 14 May 2024 21:44

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Speaking of guys who haven't won it yet...Hey Mark!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBusva4hKT8

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #834689 is a reply to message #833025 ]	Wed, 22 May 2024 20:47

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Tocchet takes it convincingly. Knob 5th

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOOK8wTX0AAxp7E?format=jpg&name=small

If we play most of the year next season like we played under Knob then maybe we finally win a division and Knob can have a real shot at the Jack Adams.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #834690 is a reply to message #834689 ]	Wed, 22 May 2024 23:57

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 20:47

If we play most of the year next season like we played under Knob then maybe we finally win a division and Knob can have a real shot at the Jack Adams.

I think he's shot himself in the foot here. To be a semi-finalist or better and then win even the President's Trophy wouldn't be enough because there's going to be a team out there who's out of the playoffs this year, but has a big points climb next year and then everyone will just vote for that guy.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #834693 is a reply to message #834690 ]	Thu, 23 May 2024 07:03

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Adam wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 23:57

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 20:47

If we play most of the year next season like we played under Knob then maybe we finally win a division and Knob can have a real shot at the Jack Adams.

I think he's shot himself in the foot here. To be a semi-finalist or better and then win even the President's Trophy wouldn't be enough because there's going to be a team out there who's out of the playoffs this year, but has a big points climb next year and then everyone will just vote for that guy.

That and the other coaches don't have Connor McDavid

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #834708 is a reply to message #834690 ]	Thu, 23 May 2024 11:29

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Adam wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 23:57

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 20:47

If we play most of the year next season like we played under Knob then maybe we finally win a division and Knob can have a real shot at the Jack Adams.

I think he's shot himself in the foot here. To be a semi-finalist or better and then win even the President's Trophy wouldn't be enough because there's going to be a team out there who's out of the playoffs this year, but has a big points climb next year and then everyone will just vote for that guy.

We probably have to win the cup, then have a great regular season. For sure most wins are a bounce back after a team sucking.

It's OK though, probably one of the worst awards to win. Pretty much a 50/50 chance after you win it you are gone from your team in 2 years.

https://thehockeywriters.com/jack-adams-award-winners-fired- within-a-year/

Although, these days, maybe that is just the average overall now. 2-3 year shelf life coaches.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #834695 is a reply to message #834689 ]	Thu, 23 May 2024 07:30

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Not too surprising to see Tocchet win the Jack Adams, he definitely fills the criteria of overachieving expectations that seems to be the #1 priority for winning the award. On that same note, I am surprised to see Montgomery so far down the list. I know the Bruins have been good for a long time and people weren't surprised to see them near the top of the East, but with losing their two top centres, it was pretty impressive. He found a way to roll a goalie tandem while keeping both guys content, fairly seamlessly brought in a number of young guys and elevated guys into roles where they were successful and ultimately had very little drop off from last year. Probably should have garnered more attention IMO

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #834700 is a reply to message #834695 ]	Thu, 23 May 2024 09:53

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Perkele wrote on Thu, 23 May 2024 07:30

Not too surprising to see Tocchet win the Jack Adams, he definitely fills the criteria of overachieving expectations that seems to be the #1 priority for winning the award. On that same note, I am surprised to see Montgomery so far down the list. I know the Bruins have been good for a long time and people weren't surprised to see them near the top of the East, but with losing their two top centres, it was pretty impressive. He found a way to roll a goalie tandem while keeping both guys content, fairly seamlessly brought in a number of young guys and elevated guys into roles where they were successful and ultimately had very little drop off from last year. Probably should have garnered more attention IMO

After being at record highs last year, Boston would have had to at least maintain that pace in order to give their coach a shot. They did lose some guys, but

Saw some chatter on twitter about Tortorella, who must have looked like a good chance to win this for much of the year - they were huge over-performers for the bulk of the season with a team no one expected was going to be good, and even after their starting goalie's career derailed. But then the team imploded late in the year - so he got almost no votes in the end. I think he scrapes in and he'd have been a lot higher on the list.

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Re: Jack Adams finalists [message #834707 is a reply to message #834700 ]	Thu, 23 May 2024 11:26

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Just looked through the list of previous winners and noticed that no coach has ever won it in back to back seasons. I guess I was foolish to think that Montgomery would get more votes. I know last year they had the best season in the history of the league but I still think that I was more impressed with the job he did this year compared to last.

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Perkele wrote on Thu, 23 May 2024 11:26

Just looked through the list of previous winners and noticed that no coach has ever won it in back to back seasons. I guess I was foolish to think that Montgomery would get more votes. I know last year they had the best season in the history of the league but I still think that I was more impressed with the job he did this year compared to last.

Totally agree. Last year they used salary bonuses effectively to cheat the cap. The played on easy mode. This year they had to pay for that a performed shockingly well with a bunch of players who shouldn't have been that successful.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 23 May 2024 12:36

Perkele wrote on Thu, 23 May 2024 11:26

Just looked through the list of previous winners and noticed that no coach has ever won it in back to back seasons. I guess I was foolish to think that Montgomery would get more votes. I know last year they had the best season in the history of the league but I still think that I was more impressed with the job he did this year compared to last.

Totally agree. Last year they used salary bonuses effectively to cheat the cap. The played on easy mode. This year they had to pay for that a performed shockingly well with a bunch of players who shouldn't have been that successful.

And I blame the Bruins collapse in 2023 for creating the Panthers success ugh

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