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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 22:22

..We have to take a game 7 on the road. Nobody needs that explained.

I hope they play their best 2 games of the season coming up.


Game 7's are a crap shoot, I'm not worried .. just need to win game 6.. icon_nod



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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 02:25

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 22:22

..We have to take a game 7 on the road. Nobody needs that explained.

I hope they play their best 2 games of the season coming up.


Game 7's are a crap shoot, I'm not worried .. just need to win game 6.. icon_nod


Well if they play anything close to the abortion of a game they treated us to tonight, you best start getting worried.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 22:26

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 02:25

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 22:22

..We have to take a game 7 on the road. Nobody needs that explained.

I hope they play their best 2 games of the season coming up.


Game 7's are a crap shoot, I'm not worried .. just need to win game 6.. icon_nod


Well if they play anything close to the abortion of a game they treated us to tonight, you best start getting worried.


Oh there are some guys on the Oilers I worry about alright.. but home ice advantage isn't one of my worries.. icon_smile



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Knoblauch sounds like an emotionless robot in his post-game... Tocchet calls out some players for not showing up, and Knob is just flat and lots of nothing.

No wonder our team comes out and plays passionless hockey.



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First bad game by our magic 5. Sadly, 1 bad game out of 5 still left us with 3 losses out of 5.

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Our team is built out of scrap players…. From Foegle, to Ryan to Perry to Nurse…. Janmark and Brown lower than scrap….
Do you guys thought ever we have a winning team?!
It’s all they can do…. win a few games by luck…. then be blown by a well built team.
It is happening since McDavid came in….. before him…. we are a bottom feeder….This is the reality…. Time to accept it.



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cpcos wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 23:31

Our team is built out of scrap players…. From Foegle, to Ryan to Perry to Nurse…. Janmark and Brown lower than scrap….
Do you guys thought ever we have a winning team?!
It’s all they can do…. win a few games by luck…. then be blown by a well built team.
It is happening since McDavid came in….. before him…. we are a bottom feeder….This is the reality…. Time to accept it.



Losing to the Canucks sucks though!

Wishing right now Vegas was in our division so at least we could complain about their cap cheating if we lose.



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I have no idea why i hate so much JT Miller…. he is not a good player and always seem to be on a winning side…. Just sux….


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cpcos wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 22:39

I have no idea why i hate so much JT Miller…


He's also Team USA if that helps you find a reason :)

All their best players are Team USA btw..





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The magnitude of negativity I felt after that goal was so much that its caused a South Burnaby power outage.. currently typing this in the dark.. sorry neighbour's!

Hopefully BC hydro gets a crew on it soon..



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Team looks and sounds done in post game.

Canucks might be too much physically. The oilers don't have any gamesmanship or push back outside of Kane.

Guys like rnh nurse, foegle, mcleoud etc etc are always going to wilt in games like this and it leaves 29 and 97 open to being abused non stop.

Holland left quite the mark on this team.



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Jay wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 06:25

Team looks and sounds done in post game.


They sound like Maple Leafs.



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g2k wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 06:54

Jay wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 06:25

Team looks and sounds done in post game.


They sound like Maple Leafs.

I don't think we should tolerate this kind of hate speech here. We've got a Saturday night (at 6!!!) home playoff game coming up. The energy will be visible.

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Jay wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 07:25

Team looks and sounds done in post game.

Holland left quite the mark on this team.


Rewatched the Oilers Fanatic Youtube preview of game 5 once again....it's crazy how the scratched forwards for Vancouver would be heavenly on the third line...maybe even top 6 of this Oilers roster.

Expect more during game 6 but have a feeling the scriptwriters would want an elimination game on HNIC

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Got the result we deserved in that one.

On the bright side, we played like garbage for 3/4 of the game and still only just lost in the last 30 seconds. We can play MUCH better than, whereas I'm not sure that Vancouver can play any better.

Hooray for an earlier start on Saturday!



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Goaltending hasn't been an issue since Pickard has been playing. He has been the bright spot.

The bottom half didn't show up for game 4 which we won.

Top half didn't show up for game 5, which we lost and looked sad in.

I don't understand why this team is so passive. Almost every team plays a high puck pressure game and we stand back and watch and expect Leon & McD to do it all. I just find it weird. I also don't understand how this team can fumble the puck and never exit their zone half decently. Canucks do the same thing, throw it to a guy who is protecting the puck with his back and pivot the puck forward. We haven't adapted at all it seems. Just weird.

Tochett sure gets the most out of his players. But that has a shelf life of about 3 years. He is only half way there.



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halfafrog wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 09:40

Goaltending hasn't been an issue since Pickard has been playing. He has been the bright spot.

The bottom half didn't show up for game 4 which we won.

Top half didn't show up for game 5, which we lost and looked sad in.

I don't understand why this team is so passive. Almost every team plays a high puck pressure game and we stand back and watch and expect Leon & McD to do it all. I just find it weird. I also don't understand how this team can fumble the puck and never exit their zone half decently. Canucks do the same thing, throw it to a guy who is protecting the puck with his back and pivot the puck forward. We haven't adapted at all it seems. Just weird.

Tochett sure gets the most out of his players. But that has a shelf life of about 3 years. He is only half way there.


Think our top guys taking a beating by the Canucks D is starting to show. Hyman looks really slow out there now, he's taken huge hits in this series. Drai keeps getting nailed in the back. McDavid getting rubbed out every time he's near the boards.

Sadly our D are all stick wavers and barely wear down any forwards. We really needed to capitalize on our play in the first 4 games, but some trash D, goaltending (these 2 issues were both predicted to be a problem down to the specific players by almost every fan that pays attention a year ago) and an ill advised attempt to protect a lead for 30 minutes sabotaged 2 of the games. We've been run down to finally have 1 bad game, and somehow it has resulted in losing 3/5.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 10:31

halfafrog wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 09:40

Goaltending hasn't been an issue since Pickard has been playing. He has been the bright spot.

The bottom half didn't show up for game 4 which we won.

Top half didn't show up for game 5, which we lost and looked sad in.

I don't understand why this team is so passive. Almost every team plays a high puck pressure game and we stand back and watch and expect Leon & McD to do it all. I just find it weird. I also don't understand how this team can fumble the puck and never exit their zone half decently. Canucks do the same thing, throw it to a guy who is protecting the puck with his back and pivot the puck forward. We haven't adapted at all it seems. Just weird.

Tochett sure gets the most out of his players. But that has a shelf life of about 3 years. He is only half way there.


Think our top guys taking a beating by the Canucks D is starting to show. Hyman looks really slow out there now, he's taken huge hits in this series. Drai keeps getting nailed in the back. McDavid getting rubbed out every time he's near the boards.

Sadly our D are all stick wavers and barely wear down any forwards. We really needed to capitalize on our play in the first 4 games, but some trash D, goaltending (these 2 issues were both predicted to be a problem down to the specific players by almost every fan that pays attention a year ago) and an ill advised attempt to protect a lead for 30 minutes sabotaged 2 of the games. We've been run down to finally have 1 bad game, and somehow it has resulted in losing 3/5.

Was thinking the exact same thing about Hyman. Hasn't been the same since those massive hits in game 2 (I think it was game 2). Last night he looked like a shell of himself. Likely concussed.

Again they need players who can push back and bring an element of a deterrent because the refs are never going to do it in the playoffs.

Guys like zadorov are dominant because there can essentially do whatever they want against teams like the oilers.



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Jay wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 10:47

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 10:31

halfafrog wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 09:40

Goaltending hasn't been an issue since Pickard has been playing. He has been the bright spot.

The bottom half didn't show up for game 4 which we won.

Top half didn't show up for game 5, which we lost and looked sad in.

I don't understand why this team is so passive. Almost every team plays a high puck pressure game and we stand back and watch and expect Leon & McD to do it all. I just find it weird. I also don't understand how this team can fumble the puck and never exit their zone half decently. Canucks do the same thing, throw it to a guy who is protecting the puck with his back and pivot the puck forward. We haven't adapted at all it seems. Just weird.

Tochett sure gets the most out of his players. But that has a shelf life of about 3 years. He is only half way there.


Think our top guys taking a beating by the Canucks D is starting to show. Hyman looks really slow out there now, he's taken huge hits in this series. Drai keeps getting nailed in the back. McDavid getting rubbed out every time he's near the boards.

Sadly our D are all stick wavers and barely wear down any forwards. We really needed to capitalize on our play in the first 4 games, but some trash D, goaltending (these 2 issues were both predicted to be a problem down to the specific players by almost every fan that pays attention a year ago) and an ill advised attempt to protect a lead for 30 minutes sabotaged 2 of the games. We've been run down to finally have 1 bad game, and somehow it has resulted in losing 3/5.

Was thinking the exact same thing about Hyman. Hasn't been the same since those massive hits in game 2 (I think it was game 2). Last night he looked like a shell of himself. Likely concussed.

Again they need players who can push back and bring an element of a deterrent because the refs are never going to do it in the playoffs.

Guys like zadorov are dominant because there can essentially do whatever they want against teams like the oilers.


We had a GM with no plan aside from spending every dime the second he got it on the biggest name UFA's and patchwork players. Unfortunately, don't really expect us to be a well rounded team that can respond to much of anything. Definitely not heavy physical play. Kane could get involved, but we let him go the whole year with a hernia. And he can't do it all alone anyways.

Hope our big guys can find some more in the tank on Saturday. If we win, we love to have a huge letdown after an emotional win, so I would then hope that whoever is in net is ready to have to steal a game. Of course, the idea of any goalie in our org stealing a game seems insane to me. 5 years of Holland and all hopes lie with a zero confidence 25 year old having a mirror of his playoffs a year ago and a career mediocre backup. Amazing.

Not bashing Pickard just to note. He was one of the handful of guys that showed up last night. He gave us a chance. We looked completely spent though by the 2nd period. Needed a fluke goal to win that game last night. PDO kings we are not.

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I have to assume we are going with Pickard again tomorrow - absolutely nothing to reproach him for his 2+ games. Fun stat - he has as many .900+ games as Skinner in these playoffs! More if you count his 16 minutes of shutout hockey in game 3.

As for the rest of the roster - is Sam Gagner not an option? I know he's not a bruiser, but he's not scared to go in the corners, and he still has hands. I'd have him in there ahead of at least a couple of the guys on the roster.

And Adam Henrique...1 goal, 1 assist in 6 playoff games for a first round pick. I know you can't predict those things, but it still sucks. He didn't put up a ton of points, but sure would have been nice to have him there the last few games. Any chance he plays Saturday?

And just looking at the numbers - same story. We've got the stars leading the way at the top, but no help form the depth. The bottom 6 point producers have given us 0 goals and 4 assists in 44 man games (Carrick 1A 3GP, Brown 1A 4GP, Ryan 1A 7GP, Vinnie 1A 10GP, McLeod NOTHING 10GP, Perry NOTHING 10GP). I know some of those guys kill penalties, but 0s across the board for Perry and McLeod is not acceptable. At least Perry creates a little bit of havoc I suppose, but McLeod? Finish a check my guy. Dear god - this is the Stanley Cup playoffs!



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Mike wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 11:47

I have to assume we are going with Pickard again tomorrow - absolutely nothing to reproach him for his 2+ games. Fun stat - he has as many .900+ games as Skinner in these playoffs! More if you count his 16 minutes of shutout hockey in game 3.

As for the rest of the roster - is Sam Gagner not an option? I know he's not a bruiser, but he's not scared to go in the corners, and he still has hands. I'd have him in there ahead of at least a couple of the guys on the roster.

And Adam Henrique...1 goal, 1 assist in 6 playoff games for a first round pick. I know you can't predict those things, but it still sucks. He didn't put up a ton of points, but sure would have been nice to have him there the last few games. Any chance he plays Saturday?

And just looking at the numbers - same story. We've got the stars leading the way at the top, but no help form the depth. The bottom 6 point producers have given us 0 goals and 4 assists in 44 man games (Carrick 1A 3GP, Brown 1A 4GP, Ryan 1A 7GP, Vinnie 1A 10GP, McLeod NOTHING 10GP, Perry NOTHING 10GP). I know some of those guys kill penalties, but 0s across the board for Perry and McLeod is not acceptable. At least Perry creates a little bit of havoc I suppose, but McLeod? Finish a check my guy. Dear god - this is the Stanley Cup playoffs!


There is basically no option other than going with Pickard in Game 6 (and Game 7 too for that matter). The margin of error is none now, and so you can't hope that Skinner doesn't have another one of THOSE games. If we lose, I really don't know what you do this summer though. We're basically left with two lame duck goalies and Pickard is a UFA who you wouldn't ever keep as the de facto starter. Ken Holland has completely screwed the pooch on this one, and it'll take some heroics to overcome his ridiculous incompetence.

All that said, the Oilers are the better team and they've showed it in all but Games 2 and 5. Bizarrely the team playing better has lost several of the games this round, but you'd expect that to even out and if the team comes ready to play, we should be able to take two more games against the Vancouver Canucks - with either goalie really.

I'd like to see the team play a little more desperate, and with more of a focus on attacking. We seem so intent on keeping as many bodies between the puck and our goal that we sometimes miss pressuring the puck carrier - and we can't be successful being that passive. We also will draw more penalties if we're attacking as the Canucks will continue to foul and at some point the ref has to blow the whistle on some of those infractions.

A couple more adjustments though and we should be fine. We're overdue to blow out this goalie.



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The better team won. Great first, gone for the rest.

Might be in for a terrible Saturday.




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Still can't believe the Oilers couldn't get 1 goal on the pp last night.

If Pickard was in net starting the series, I think Oilers would be moving on by now.

Time to flush and play the next.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 12:09

Still can't believe the Oilers couldn't get 1 goal on the pp last night.

If Pickard was in net starting the series, I think Oilers would be moving on by now.

Time to flush and play the next.



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People praising some kind of Canucks adjustment on the PK, but we have seen that PP from our guys before. Everyone holding the puck too long and trying to force plays that aren't there. When we are on we eat a PK that is too aggressive alive with quick passes and good movement. That was 100% self defeat and straight up choking on the PP last night. Shame. Got goaltending and loads of PP's. Just couldn't get a thing done.

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Van definitely adjusted their PK plan last night. They worked with the same plan that deflated our PP last playoffs too. constant pressure. When teams pull back and try to block the lane, we pass and score. When our PP gets under constant pressure, we cough it up. No, not all the time, and we still get shots off, but heavy pressure is the way to defend our PP.


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Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 13:52

Van definitely adjusted their PK plan last night. They worked with the same plan that deflated our PP last playoffs too. constant pressure. When teams pull back and try to block the lane, we pass and score. When our PP gets under constant pressure, we cough it up. No, not all the time, and we still get shots off, but heavy pressure is the way to defend our PP.


If it was that easy every team would do it. When we aren't skating and trying to force stupid passes, we just beat ourselves. Constant pressure ensures we have players open to receive passes. When McDavid Nuge and Drai are on their games, they can toy with that pretty easily. That was just a total crap game for all those guys. We invited pressure by standing still, plus other guys not moving to provide passing options.

We did the same thing 2 games ago in the third period. Complete choke on 2 late PP's that gave us a golden opportunity to get back in the game, doing the same thing of being stationary and just lazily forcing plays. Acting completely different from our PP earlier in the same game. How shallow we are 5v5, knowing our only hope is the PP in some games, seems to really break our guys brains sometimes.

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 12:52

Van definitely adjusted their PK plan last night. They worked with the same plan that deflated our PP last playoffs too. constant pressure. When teams pull back and try to block the lane, we pass and score. When our PP gets under constant pressure, we cough it up. No, not all the time, and we still get shots off, but heavy pressure is the way to defend our PP.



They were especially targeting the zone entry on the PP's.. McDavid wasn't getting in clean, like he always does.. wasted half the PP re-organizing outside the offensive zone.. they need to mix up the zone entries.. fake a drop back or do a give and go.. or maybe someone else take it in and hit McDavid on the fly as he goes for the net.. problem is Oilers just don't have anyone else that's a threat to gain the zone effectively on the PP.. McLeod is the next best on the team because of his speed.. but then he's not useful after that.. so not a PP option.. LD isn't fast enough.. and neither is RNH..
Oilers need a strategy to counter the Canucks overload on McDavid.. soon!

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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 17:00

Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 12:52

Van definitely adjusted their PK plan last night. They worked with the same plan that deflated our PP last playoffs too. constant pressure. When teams pull back and try to block the lane, we pass and score. When our PP gets under constant pressure, we cough it up. No, not all the time, and we still get shots off, but heavy pressure is the way to defend our PP.



They were especially targeting the zone entry on the PP's.. McDavid wasn't getting in clean, like he always does.. wasted half the PP re-organizing outside the offensive zone.. they need to mix up the zone entries.. fake a drop back or do a give and go.. or maybe someone else take it in and hit McDavid on the fly as he goes for the net.. problem is Oilers just don't have anyone else that's a threat to gain the zone effectively on the PP.. McLeod is the next best on the team because of his speed.. but then he's not useful after that.. so not a PP option.. LD isn't fast enough.. and neither is RNH..
Oilers need a strategy to counter the Canucks overload on McDavid.. soon!


Or McDavid just doesn't have the juice to do what he wants anymore. We were very disorganized on entries, especially after a trash play would lose us the zone. Lots of dif players were trying to enter alone and quickly losing it.

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Possible we are kinda screwed. Let our top guys get the crap kicked out of them by a huge D group for 25 mins a night because everyone else is useless. Extremely punishing series. Even if we do fluke it out, having to go 2 more rounds of playing 5 guys to death against even better teams is not going to work out.

Hollands 5-year plan (that was never actually a plan) not looking good.

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 16:10



Or McDavid just doesn't have the juice to do what he wants anymore. We were very disorganized on entries, especially after a trash play would lose us the zone. Lots of dif players were trying to enter alone and quickly losing it.

"Insider" Tim Peel saying McDavid and Hyman may be broken


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Hearing Connor McDavid is dealing with an injury and Zach Hyman is banged up as well. Every team has injuries but this will be a challenge for #LetsGoOilers if they are to beat the #Canucks



Possible we are kinda screwed. Let our top guys get the crap kicked out of them by a huge D group for 25 mins a night because everyone else is useless. Extremely punishing series. Even if we do fluke it out, having to go 2 more rounds of playing 5 guys to death against even better teams is not going to work out.

Hollands 5-year plan (that was never actually a plan) not looking good.


Neither have been playing anywhere near their potential. I don't even remember the last time McDavid slammed it into 5th gear and blew past the other team.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 11:23

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 12:09

Still can't believe the Oilers couldn't get 1 goal on the pp last night.

If Pickard was in net starting the series, I think Oilers would be moving on by now.

Time to flush and play the next.



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People praising some kind of Canucks adjustment on the PK, but we have seen that PP from our guys before. Everyone holding the puck too long and trying to force plays that aren't there. When we are on we eat a PK that is too aggressive alive with quick passes and good movement. That was 100% self defeat and straight up choking on the PP last night. Shame. Got goaltending and loads of PP's. Just couldn't get a thing done.


Can you imagine if instead of RNH they had a real sniper RHS (like a Stamkos) on the left side bookending Leon on the right side? McDavid would be dishing sweet saucers for snipes every PP .. opposing defences would get dizzy trying to who decide to cover.. right now no one even worries about RNH's shot.. muffins to the logo.. his only value right now on the PP is the puck handling..

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3.Stecher 2 / 22%
4.Broberg 2 / 22%
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If you added a player.. who would it be?

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2.Perry 1 / 13%
3.Ryan 1 / 13%
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Sounds like skinner might start. I don’t agree with that at all. Pickard has been rock solid in net. Skinner has proven to be a choker. Even with rest, I don’t trust skinner in the playoffs. Would much rather Pickard in there, but that’s just me.


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tardigrade81 wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 23:17

Sounds like skinner might start. I don’t agree with that at all. Pickard has been rock solid in net. Skinner has proven to be a choker. Even with rest, I don’t trust skinner in the playoffs. Would much rather Pickard in there, but that’s just me.


Had to find this somewhere, Stauffer has been spilling the beans again I see so strong possibilities in this:

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey /stuart-skinner-back-in-net-for-edmonton-oilers-carrick-in-f or-perry-new-third-line-sounds-like-it



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MJ wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 23:20

tardigrade81 wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 23:17

Sounds like skinner might start. I don’t agree with that at all. Pickard has been rock solid in net. Skinner has proven to be a choker. Even with rest, I don’t trust skinner in the playoffs. Would much rather Pickard in there, but that’s just me.


Had to find this somewhere, Stauffer has been spilling the beans again I see so strong possibilities in this:

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey /stuart-skinner-back-in-net-for-edmonton-oilers-carrick-in-f or-perry-new-third-line-sounds-like-it


Perry might not be that fast.. but he's got extreme high puck IQ, gamesmanship, and he actually knows how to put the puck in the net .. from anywhere.. he's a threat to score.. Carrick is not any of that.. marginal NHL'er..




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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 18 May 2024 01:25

MJ wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 23:20

tardigrade81 wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 23:17

Sounds like skinner might start. I don’t agree with that at all. Pickard has been rock solid in net. Skinner has proven to be a choker. Even with rest, I don’t trust skinner in the playoffs. Would much rather Pickard in there, but that’s just me.


Had to find this somewhere, Stauffer has been spilling the beans again I see so strong possibilities in this:

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey /stuart-skinner-back-in-net-for-edmonton-oilers-carrick-in-f or-perry-new-third-line-sounds-like-it


Perry might not be that fast.. but he's got extreme high puck IQ, gamesmanship, and he actually knows how to put the puck in the net .. from anywhere.. he's a threat to score.. Carrick is not any of that.. marginal NHL'er..




I think issue for Perry is this series is too quick for his current abilities. Knob has been working hard to shelter him and start him in the offensive zone, and he still had 0 GF, 2 GA on his stat sheet for the series. He has about 15 seconds to get something done before he looks out of gas and, worst case, he is just standing in our zone barely able to help his teammates get the puck back out of our zone.

Lots of guys look exhausted after 5 games. Might be time to get some fresh legs in. Perry would probably look a lot more comfortable in a slower series against Dallas.



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