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Buffalo @ Edmonton (Game #67) [message #831121] |
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 JPro
Messages: 810
Registered: January 2006
Location: Edmonton
No Cups
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You know how you know you just lost embarrassingly bad to the Oilers? When Connor Brown gets in on the scoring too. It’s like the cherry on top of losing.
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Kr55
Messages: 10777
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
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It's Connor Brown's world. We're all just lucky to live in it.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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I don't think it's too outrageous to say tonight was a decisive win?
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g2k
Messages: 2840
Registered: January 2003
Location: The Hood
2 Cups
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Would Love to see Hyman get his 49th & 50th Saturday night against the Maple Leafs.
In their faces!!!
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep
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Suomalainen
Messages: 900
Registered: May 2002
Location: Boulder, CO
No Cups
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Not bad for a 42-minute effort.
Glad to see the bottom-6 garbage time goals to pay off for the hard work.
97.
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Adam
Messages: 7176
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
6 Cups
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| g2k wrote on Thu, 21 March 2024 21:52 |
Would Love to see Hyman get his 49th & 50th Saturday night against the Maple Leafs.
In their faces!!!
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I'm at the game Tuesday in Winnipeg so I'm okay if he does it there too...
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4419
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
4 Cups
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| g2k wrote on Thu, 21 March 2024 20:52 |
Would Love to see Hyman get his 49th & 50th Saturday night against the Maple Leafs.
In their faces!!!
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Oh man that would be so sweet .. pancreas working flat out to keep up.. 
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4419
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
4 Cups
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Ekholm is a beast.. what a game! He unleashed the Hammer of Thor on poor UPL .. (funny watching him finally lose it and smash his stick on the last goal with 9 seconds left)
Best D-man on the Oilers since CFP.. just awesome.
Since joining Oilers.. 86 games 11g + 36a = 47pts and ... +62 !!
plus his pairing with Bouchard has helped Bouchard immensely, I can't imagine Bouchard playing with any other Oiler D-man and still being as effective.. especially his +-
Just need a RHD equivalent!
Oilers finally started moving their feet in the 3rd, got a consistent forecheck working.. way too static in the 1st and 2nd.. like watching 2 different teams..
I liked McLeod taking the shot on the 2 on 1 with Kane.. he has a bad habit of passing off too many chances that end in no shot on net..
Positive signs!
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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inverno76
Messages: 2343
Registered: September 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchew...
2 Cups
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What a wild game. I went through a myriad of emotions before settling on bliss. It reminded of riding a BMX up a steep hill. Horrendous, until you reach the summit and enjoy the effortless coasting ride to the finish line.
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Kr55
Messages: 10777
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 22 March 2024 13:47 |
Ekholm is a beast.. what a game! He unleashed the Hammer of Thor on poor UPL .. (funny watching him finally lose it and smash his stick on the last goal with 9 seconds left)
Best D-man on the Oilers since CFP.. just awesome.
Since joining Oilers.. 86 games 11g + 36a = 47pts and ... +62 !!
plus his pairing with Bouchard has helped Bouchard immensely, I can't imagine Bouchard playing with any other Oiler D-man and still being as effective.. especially his +-
Just need a RHD equivalent!
Oilers finally started moving their feet in the 3rd, got a consistent forecheck working.. way too static in the 1st and 2nd.. like watching 2 different teams..
I liked McLeod taking the shot on the 2 on 1 with Kane.. he has a bad habit of passing off too many chances that end in no shot on net..
Positive signs!
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It's interesting that Bouch without Ekholm actually has his xGF go up from 62.04% to 65.19% at 5v5. Ekholm drops to 54.73% but with tougher zone starts. Maybe there is Ceci time in there too which is a huge handicap of course.
Ekholm with Nashville never had number close to what he has had with Bouch here. He actually struggled pretty badly with a young D the year we acquired him. Under 50% xGF the 2 seasons before we got him. He was never really a headliner name on D, usually a 2nd pair guy behind Josi, lots of his career playing a rigid system. Successful regular season system that never seemed to pan out in playoffs minus one year. Somehow now his career is magically peaking at 33 years of age.
Statistically, our best pair this year is Kulak+Bouchard. 71.35% xGF. For contrast, Kulak+Vinny 57.35%, Kulak+Ceci 50.79%.
Small samples, but Ekholm+Vinny 40.95%, Ekholm+Ceci 38.35%.
One day ppl might have to consider Bouch helps Ek just as much as Ek helps Bouch. It's just a really good pair with 2 guys that compliment eachother well.
[Updated on: Fri, 22 March 2024 16:53]
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4419
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
4 Cups
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 22 March 2024 15:17 |
It's interesting that Bouch without Ekholm actually has his xGF go up from 62.04% to 65.19% at 5v5. Ekholm drops to 54.73% but with tougher zone starts. Maybe there is Ceci time in there too which is a huge handicap of course.
Ekholm with Nashville never had number close to what he has had with Bouch here. He actually struggled pretty badly with a young D the year we acquired him. Under 50% xGF the 2 seasons before we got him. He was never really a headliner name on D, usually a 2nd pair guy behind Josi, lots of his career playing a rigid system. Successful regular season system that never seemed to pan out in playoffs minus one year. Somehow now his career is magically peaking at 33 years of age.
Statistically, our best pair this year is Kulak+Bouchard. 71.35% xGF. For contrast, Kulak+Vinny 57.35%, Kulak+Ceci 50.79%.
Small samples, but Ekholm+Vinny 40.95%, Ekholm+Ceci 38.35%.
One day ppl might have to consider Bouch helps Ek just as much as Ek helps Bouch. It's just a really good pair with 2 guys that compliment eachother well.
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Ekholm always stood out to me when we played Nashville, he was an absolute wall.. I was ecstatic when we got him.
I also think a lot of those GF GA stats need to include "time vs. elites" in their deciphering to get the real picture..
Also some of the pairings listed above; Kulak/Bouchard (75 minutes) .. Ekholm/Vinny (21 minutes).. Ekholm/Ceci (28 minutes).. I'd say are probably pretty small sample size to draw any big conclusions.
Below for reference are chances (CF/60, CA/60), goals GF/60, GA/60..
* I'd suggest any pairings with under 100 minutes 5v5 is relatively weak statistically..
2023/2024
D-Combos TOI 5v5 CF/60 CA/60 CF% GF/60 GA/60 GF% xGF/60 xGA/60 xGF%
Mattias Ekholm & Evan Bouchard 985:10 71.1 47.3 60.1% 3.78 2.31 62.0% 3.62 2.22 62.0%
Cody Ceci & Darnell Nurse 840:18 62.8 61.8 50.4% 2.64 2.50 51.4% 3.1 2.87 51.9%
Brett Kulak & Vincent Desharnais 586:09 56.7 48.8 53.7% 2.15 1.64 56.8% 2.66 1.98 57.4%
Cody Ceci & Brett Kulak 181:25 57.6 60.9 48.6% 2.65 3.31 44.4% 2.77 2.69 50.8%
Darnell Nurse & Vincent Desharnais 151:35 54.2 55.8 49.3% 1.19 1.98 37.5% 2.01 2.34 46.2%
Brett Kulak & Evan Bouchard 74:57 84.1 44.0 65.6% 6.40 3.20 66.7% 5.00 2.01 71.4%
Darnell Nurse & Evan Bouchard 66:18 79.6 53.4 59.9% 3.62 3.62 50.0% 3.52 2.74 56.2%
Mattias Ekholm & Darnell Nurse 57:32 88.6 56.3 61.2% 3.13 1.04 75.0% 3.14 2.88 52.2%
Brett Kulak & Philip Broberg 41:33 46.2 59.2 43.8% 4.33 2.89 60.0% 2.63 2.63 50.0%
Brett Kulak & Darnell Nurse 38:58 63.1 63.1 50.0% 3.08 4.62 40.0% 2.39 1.83 56.6%
Cody Ceci & Evan Bouchard 38:41 60.5 38.8 60.9% 1.55 0 100.0% 4.06 2.03 66.7%
Vincent Desharnais & Evan Bouchard 32:13 52.2 46.6 52.8% 1.86 1.86 50.0% 2.77 2.17 56.0%
Mattias Ekholm & Cody Ceci 28:33 54.6 61.0 47.3% 0 2.1 0.0% 1.52 2.45 38.4%
Mattias Ekholm & Brett Kulak 27:10 92.8 42.0 68.9% 2.21 0 100.0% 5.25 1.73 75.2%
Ekholm (Career)
Ekholm TOI 5v5 CF/60 CA/60 CF% GF/60 GA/60 GF% xGF/60 xGA/60 xGF%
20112012 - NSH 22:46 57.9 44.8 56.4% 0.00 2.63 0.0% 1.53 1.28 54.5%
20122013 - NSH 15:01 55.9 24.0 70.0% 0.00 3.99 0.0% 3.13 1.54 67.0%
20132014 - NSH 916:01 49.9 49.6 50.1% 2.29 2.75 45.5% 2.1 1.82 53.6%
20142015 - NSH 1285:31 58.4 45.3 56.3% 2.71 2.05 56.9% 2.41 1.72 58.3%
20152016 - NSH 1362:00 53.4 46.6 53.4% 2.56 2.07 55.2% 2.28 1.79 55.9%
20162017 - NSH 1540:21 58.0 50.5 53.5% 2.22 1.95 53.3% 2.28 1.97 53.6%
20172018 - NSH 1427:45 64.1 53.6 54.5% 2.73 2.27 54.6% 2.57 2.28 52.9%
20182019 - NSH 1504:13 60.2 51.3 54.0% 2.59 1.95 57.0% 2.57 2.25 53.3%
20192020 - NSH 1231:15 57.8 57.2 50.3% 2.73 2.97 47.9% 2.54 2.52 50.2%
20202021 - NSH 819:31 56.5 54.3 51.0% 3.15 1.61 66.2% 2.35 2.42 49.3%
20212022 - NSH 1311:37 52.2 54.3 49.0% 2.97 2.29 56.5% 2.34 2.37 49.7%
20222023 - NSH 948:55 60.1 54.1 52.6% 2.02 2.21 47.8% 2.92 2.41 54.8%
20222023 - EDM 355:18 65.7 46.6 58.5% 5.24 1.69 75.6% 3.63 2.27 61.6%
20232024 - EDM 1119:48 72.4 48.0 60.2% 3.54 2.14 62.3% 3.61 2.3 61.1%
Bouchard (Career)
Bouchard TOI 5v5 CF/60 CA/60 CF% GF/60 GA/60 GF% xGF/60 xGA/60 xGF%
20182019 - EDM 71:10 59.9 51.4 53.8% 0.84 3.37 20.0% 2.71 2.33 53.8%
20202021 - EDM 189:24 61.8 57.3 51.9% 1.58 2.53 38.5% 2.26 2.43 48.2%
20212022 - EDM 1306:07 66.2 53.4 55.3% 2.85 2.71 51.2% 3.02 2.63 53.5%
20222023 - EDM 1234:46 64.5 48.7 57.0% 3.21 2.77 53.7% 3.26 2.39 57.7%
20232024 - EDM 1202:36 71.9 47.3 60.3% 3.84 2.39 61.6% 3.74 2.23 62.7%
[Updated on: Fri, 22 March 2024 20:42]
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Kr55
Messages: 10777
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 22 March 2024 17:29 |
| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 22 March 2024 15:17 |
It's interesting that Bouch without Ekholm actually has his xGF go up from 62.04% to 65.19% at 5v5. Ekholm drops to 54.73% but with tougher zone starts. Maybe there is Ceci time in there too which is a huge handicap of course.
Ekholm with Nashville never had number close to what he has had with Bouch here. He actually struggled pretty badly with a young D the year we acquired him. Under 50% xGF the 2 seasons before we got him. He was never really a headliner name on D, usually a 2nd pair guy behind Josi, lots of his career playing a rigid system. Successful regular season system that never seemed to pan out in playoffs minus one year. Somehow now his career is magically peaking at 33 years of age.
Statistically, our best pair this year is Kulak+Bouchard. 71.35% xGF. For contrast, Kulak+Vinny 57.35%, Kulak+Ceci 50.79%.
Small samples, but Ekholm+Vinny 40.95%, Ekholm+Ceci 38.35%.
One day ppl might have to consider Bouch helps Ek just as much as Ek helps Bouch. It's just a really good pair with 2 guys that compliment eachother well.
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Ekholm always stood out to me when we played Nashville, he was an absolute wall.. I was ecstatic when we got him.
I also think a lot of those GF GA stats need to include "time vs. elites" in their deciphering to get the real picture..
Also some of the pairings listed above; Kulak/Bouchard (75 minutes) .. Ekholm/Vinny (21 minutes).. Ekholm/Ceci (28 minutes).. I'd say are probably pretty small sample size to draw any big conclusions.
Below for reference are chances (CF/60, CA/60), goals GF/60, GA/60..
* I'd suggest any pairings with under 100 minutes 5v5 is relatively weak statistically..
2023/2024
D-Combos TOI 5v5 CF/60 CA/60 CF% GF/60 GA/60 GF% xGF/60 xGA/60 xGF%
Mattias Ekholm & Evan Bouchard 985:10 71.1 47.3 60.1% 3.78 2.31 62.0% 3.62 2.22 62.0%
Cody Ceci & Darnell Nurse 840:18 62.8 61.8 50.4% 2.64 2.50 51.4% 3.1 2.87 51.9%
Brett Kulak & Vincent Desharnais 586:09 56.7 48.8 53.7% 2.15 1.64 56.8% 2.66 1.98 57.4%
Cody Ceci & Brett Kulak 181:25 57.6 60.9 48.6% 2.65 3.31 44.4% 2.77 2.69 50.8%
Darnell Nurse & Vincent Desharnais 151:35 54.2 55.8 49.3% 1.19 1.98 37.5% 2.01 2.34 46.2%
Brett Kulak & Evan Bouchard 74:57 84.1 44.0 65.6% 6.40 3.20 66.7% 5.00 2.01 71.4%
Darnell Nurse & Evan Bouchard 66:18 79.6 53.4 59.9% 3.62 3.62 50.0% 3.52 2.74 56.2%
Mattias Ekholm & Darnell Nurse 57:32 88.6 56.3 61.2% 3.13 1.04 75.0% 3.14 2.88 52.2%
Brett Kulak & Philip Broberg 41:33 46.2 59.2 43.8% 4.33 2.89 60.0% 2.63 2.63 50.0%
Brett Kulak & Darnell Nurse 38:58 63.1 63.1 50.0% 3.08 4.62 40.0% 2.39 1.83 56.6%
Cody Ceci & Evan Bouchard 38:41 60.5 38.8 60.9% 1.55 0 100.0% 4.06 2.03 66.7%
Vincent Desharnais & Evan Bouchard 32:13 52.2 46.6 52.8% 1.86 1.86 50.0% 2.77 2.17 56.0%
Mattias Ekholm & Cody Ceci 28:33 54.6 61.0 47.3% 0 2.1 0.0% 1.52 2.45 38.4%
Mattias Ekholm & Brett Kulak 27:10 92.8 42.0 68.9% 2.21 0 100.0% 5.25 1.73 75.2%
Ekholm (Career)
Ekholm TOI 5v5 CF/60 CA/60 CF% GF/60 GA/60 GF% xGF/60 xGA/60 xGF%
20112012 - NSH 22:46 57.9 44.8 56.4% 0.00 2.63 0.0% 1.53 1.28 54.5%
20122013 - NSH 15:01 55.9 24.0 70.0% 0.00 3.99 0.0% 3.13 1.54 67.0%
20132014 - NSH 916:01 49.9 49.6 50.1% 2.29 2.75 45.5% 2.1 1.82 53.6%
20142015 - NSH 1285:31 58.4 45.3 56.3% 2.71 2.05 56.9% 2.41 1.72 58.3%
20152016 - NSH 1362:00 53.4 46.6 53.4% 2.56 2.07 55.2% 2.28 1.79 55.9%
20162017 - NSH 1540:21 58.0 50.5 53.5% 2.22 1.95 53.3% 2.28 1.97 53.6%
20172018 - NSH 1427:45 64.1 53.6 54.5% 2.73 2.27 54.6% 2.57 2.28 52.9%
20182019 - NSH 1504:13 60.2 51.3 54.0% 2.59 1.95 57.0% 2.57 2.25 53.3%
20192020 - NSH 1231:15 57.8 57.2 50.3% 2.73 2.97 47.9% 2.54 2.52 50.2%
20202021 - NSH 819:31 56.5 54.3 51.0% 3.15 1.61 66.2% 2.35 2.42 49.3%
20212022 - NSH 1311:37 52.2 54.3 49.0% 2.97 2.29 56.5% 2.34 2.37 49.7%
20222023 - NSH 948:55 60.1 54.1 52.6% 2.02 2.21 47.8% 2.92 2.41 54.8%
20222023 - EDM 355:18 65.7 46.6 58.5% 5.24 1.69 75.6% 3.63 2.27 61.6%
20232024 - EDM 1119:48 72.4 48.0 60.2% 3.54 2.14 62.3% 3.61 2.3 61.1%
Bouchard (Career)
Bouchard TOI 5v5 CF/60 CA/60 CF% GF/60 GA/60 GF% xGF/60 xGA/60 xGF%
20182019 - EDM 71:10 59.9 51.4 53.8% 0.84 3.37 20.0% 2.71 2.33 53.8%
20202021 - EDM 189:24 61.8 57.3 51.9% 1.58 2.53 38.5% 2.26 2.43 48.2%
20212022 - EDM 1306:07 66.2 53.4 55.3% 2.85 2.71 51.2% 3.02 2.63 53.5%
20222023 - EDM 1234:46 64.5 48.7 57.0% 3.21 2.77 53.7% 3.26 2.39 57.7%
20232024 - EDM 1202:36 71.9 47.3 60.3% 3.84 2.39 61.6% 3.74 2.23 62.7%
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Yeah, samples are small over other pairs. Ek and Bouch play together a lot. Bouch seems to play apart from Ek more, but that's because Ek was injured. Ek has very little time away from Bouch. 200 minutes total at 5v5 in the last 2 seasons. Not much to really draw any conclusions from.
Ev elites is hard to combine with pairs. Bouch technically has more ice time this season than Ek vs Elite players according to Puck IQ.
I think those stats you show display pretty well how Ek is suddenly performing the best of his career at the ripe young age of 32/33. 1 year removed from Nashville considering him the guy they could toss as a cap dump after just giving him a 4 year deal. It's just a good pair and we and Holland are very lucky. Bouch is making plays all night long. Ek is slower passing IMO and does a lot of the ring arounds, but positionally he's great and almost always in the right spot. That's what you want. A puck mover either passing (Bouch) or transporting (Nurse) and a solid defender. We forgot the solid RHD piece for Nurse unfortunately. Ceci always seems to think he is the elite puck mover and Nurse is supposed to back him up.
Not trying to bash Ek btw. Just IMO ppl are overrating him, and I think sometimes it is coupled with a need to underrate Bouch at the same time. Bouch needs a solid defender, Ek needs a puck mover. They are both elite at what they do, and the result is a pair that is performing as one of the best in the entire NHL. Like a top 5 in the league D pair, consistently. Bouch IMO is the harder type of player to find as well. There are lots of solid defenders out there that you could put with Bouch and get similar results. Not as good probably, but close. It's hard to find players that compliment each other this well. There are far fewer elite 5v5 puck movers out there that you could put with Ekholm and get similar results. That's my opinion of course.
[Updated on: Sat, 23 March 2024 00:16]
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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