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Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830548]	Thu, 07 March 2024 11:52

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Oilers trade a 4th for Stecher and a 7th.

There is the vet dman. I am a bit surprised it's him which makes me think maybe they are using more analytics? He's a good skating, puck mover who's a right shot and who's OK defensively. He's somehow a plus player on the Yotes. But he's undersized which makes me wonder if analytics are involved which would be a change because when Stauffer was talking 7th dmen, all the names he brought up were big, more bruising types.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830549 is a reply to message #830548 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 11:54

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Just keep pissing assets away.

That's potentially three 4th round picks gone in 2 days for absolutely nobody that moves the needle.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830559 is a reply to message #830549 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 13:04

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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:54

Just keep pissing assets away.

That's potentially three 4th round picks gone in 2 days for absolutely nobody that moves the needle.

What’s the draft success rate on our 4th round picks?

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830560 is a reply to message #830559 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 13:06

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 13:04

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:54

Just keep pissing assets away.

That's potentially three 4th round picks gone in 2 days for absolutely nobody that moves the needle.

What’s the draft success rate on our 4th round picks?

It's not that we're missing out on a player that is unlikely to play for us. Rather I think the criticism is that we could be getting more trade value with these picks.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830630 is a reply to message #830560 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 20:59

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JPro wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 13:06

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 13:04

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:54

Just keep pissing assets away.

That's potentially three 4th round picks gone in 2 days for absolutely nobody that moves the needle.

What’s the draft success rate on our 4th round picks?

It's not that we're missing out on a player that is unlikely to play for us. Rather I think the criticism is that we could be getting more trade value with these picks.

No no - NetBOG hates the idea of trading draft picks for rentals. He is firmly of the belief that a guy who potentially plays some unknown number of games for the team in the likely distant future is of more value than a guy who’s definitely an NHLer playing some important games for the team now.

My personal belief is that he WILDLY overvalues draft picks and that especially for the Oilers where this year and the next are all that determines whether we stay a contender or become a bottom feeder once more we need to find every angle in trying to win a Stanley Cup.

All that said, if this is all we do, it’s a little disappointing. I don’t think we’ve improved the roster enough, and we really haven’t come close to what the Avalanche and Golden Knights have been able to pull off. We most likely have to go through both those teams during the playoffs if we are to be successful, so it’s disappointing to see them win the arms race by SO FAR.

Also every quote from Holland is just depressing. That dirtbag just stole $25MM from the team over the past five years to mail it in, and there doesn’t seem to be a lot of effort to make sure he goes out on a high note. “You know, tomorrow I’ll wake up, and I’ll call a few people and see if maybe there are any trade s available.” If it was someone else you might think that’s playing his cards close to the vest but we’ve known him long enough to know that no, that is really the extent of his game plan. Here’s hoping he waits until after the actual deadline to schedule his presser tomorrow.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830561 is a reply to message #830559 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 13:10

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 13:04

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:54

Just keep pissing assets away.

That's potentially three 4th round picks gone in 2 days for absolutely nobody that moves the needle.

What’s the draft success rate on our 4th round picks?

When they are all traded, exactly 0%

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830564 is a reply to message #830561 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 13:18

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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 13:10

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 13:04

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:54

Just keep pissing assets away.

That's potentially three 4th round picks gone in 2 days for absolutely nobody that moves the needle.

What’s the draft success rate on our 4th round picks?

When they are all traded, exactly 0%

I like these small moves. Changing up too much on a team is rarely successful. I was hoping for someone better than Ceci, but these were all low risk depth moves.

I flashback to the Leafs last year who made big moves and it worsened them. 4th round picks play at least one NHL game 22% of the time. I’d rather spend them for depth for a deep playoff run.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830567 is a reply to message #830564 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 13:26

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 12:18

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 13:10

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 13:04

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:54

Just keep pissing assets away.

That's potentially three 4th round picks gone in 2 days for absolutely nobody that moves the needle.

What’s the draft success rate on our 4th round picks?

When they are all traded, exactly 0%

I like these small moves. Changing up too much on a team is rarely successful. I was hoping for someone better than Ceci, but these were all low risk depth moves.

I flashback to the Leafs last year who made big moves and it worsened them. 4th round picks play at least one NHL game 22% of the time. I’d rather spend them for depth for a deep playoff run.

I think you're right, Dubas was legend for that, Leafs sell the farm bring in rentals.. and.. flop.. too much of a turnover can screw a team system and/or chemistry all up..

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830562 is a reply to message #830559 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 13:14

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 12:04

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:54

Just keep pissing assets away.

That's potentially three 4th round picks gone in 2 days for absolutely nobody that moves the needle.

What’s the draft success rate on our 4th round picks?

Here's the 4th round from 2019.. that's almost 4 years of development.. recognize many names?
Only one I recognize is Blumel

4 94 Ottawa Viktor Lodin C Orebro HK [SweHL] 1 0 0 0 0 2021-22
4 95 Los Angeles Jordan Spence D Moncton Wildcats [QMJHL] 80 2 23 25 6 2023-24
4 96 New Jersey Tyce Thompson R Providence College [H-East] 11 0 1 1 0 2022-23
4 97 Detroit Ethan Phillips C Sioux Falls Stampede [USHL]
4 98 Arizona Matias Maccelli L Dubuque Fighting Saints [USHL] 149 23 76 99 28 2023-24
4 99 Carolina Cade Webber D Rivers Academy [U.S. H.S.]
4 100 Edmonton Matej Blumel R Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL] 6 1 0 1 0 2022-23
4 101 Anaheim Henry Thrun D U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 38 1 5 6 8 2023-24
4 102 Buffalo Aaron Huglen R Fargo Force [USHL]
4 103 Philadelphia Mason Millman D Saginaw Spirit [OHL]
4 104 Columbus Eric Hjorth D Linkoping [Sweden Jrs.]
4 105 Chicago Michal Teply L Benatky [Czechia Jrs.]
4 106 Florida Carter Berger D Victoria Grizzlies [BCHL]
4 107 Arizona Alexandr Daryin R Yaroslavl [Russia Jrs.]
4 108 San Jose Yegor Spiridonov C Magnitogorsk [Russia Jrs.]
4 109 Nashville Marc Del Gaizo D UMass-Amherst [H-East] 5 0 3 3 2 2023-24
4 110 Vegas Ryder Donovan C Dubuque Fighting Saints [USHL]
4 111 Dallas Samuel Sjolund D AIK [Sweden Jrs.]
4 112 NY Rangers Hunter Skinner D Lincoln Stars [USHL]
4 113 Winnipeg Henri Nikkanen C Jukurit [Finland Jrs.]
4 114 Columbus Dmitry Voronkov L Kazan [Russia Jrs.] 56 16 14 30 48 2023-24
4 115 Toronto Mikhail Abramov C Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL]
4 116 Calgary Lucas Feuk L Sodertalje [Sweden Jrs.]
4 117 Nashville Semyon Chystyakov D Ufa [Russia Jrs.]
4 118 New Jersey Case McCarthy D U.S. National Development Team [USHL]
4 119 Los Angeles Kim Nousiainen D Kalpa [Finland Jrs.]
4 120 Tampa Bay Maxwell Crozier D Sioux Falls Stampede [USHL] 12 0 2 2 7 2023-24
4 121 Carolina Tuukka Tieksola R Karpat [Finland Jrs.]
4 122 Vancouver Ethan Keppen L Flint Firebirds [OHL]
4 123 Chicago Antti Saarela F Lukko Rauma [SM-liiga]
4 124 Toronto Nick Abruzzese C Chicago Steel [USHL] 11 1 2 3 2 2022-23

[Updated on: Thu, 07 March 2024 13:16]

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830639 is a reply to message #830562 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 08:33

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Two more names that pop out...

Matias Maccelli... good offensive upside. Small, but lots of talent. Plays for the Yotes.

Dmitry Voronkov... he scored against the Oilers last night.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830568 is a reply to message #830559 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 14:02

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 13:04

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:54

Just keep pissing assets away.

That's potentially three 4th round picks gone in 2 days for absolutely nobody that moves the needle.

What’s the draft success rate on our 4th round picks?

Just for fun here's every 4th round pick in Oilers history with number of NHL games played:

Jake Chiasson (2021)
Carter Savoie (2020)
Matej Blumel (2019) - 6
Ostap Safin (2017)
Caleb Jones (2015) - 239
Zach Nagelvoort (2014)
Jackson Houck (2013)
Kyle Platzer (2013)
Aidan Muir (2013)
Erik Gustafsson (2012) - 440
Dillon Simpson (2011) - 3
Tobias Rieder (2011) - 478
Jeremie Blain (2010)
Kyle Bigos (2009)
Toni Rajala (2009)
Johan Motin (2008) - 1
Linus Omark (2007) - 79
Chris Vandevele (2005) - 278
Slava Trukhno (2005)
Liam Reddox (2004) - 100
Jonas Almtorp (2002)
Robin Kovar (2002)
Lou Dickenson (2000)
Shawn Horcoff (1998) - 1008
Kristian Antila (1998)
Jonas Elofsson (1997)
Mike Minard (1995) - 1
Adam Copeland (1994)
Jussi Tarvainen (1994)
Ralph Intranuovo (1992) - 22
Mario Nobili (1991)
Joel Blain (1990)
Josef Beranek (1989) - 531
Cam Brauer (1988)
Peter Eriksson (1987) - 20
Dan Currie (1986) - 22
Richard Novak (1984)
Esa Tikkanen (1983) - 877
Jaroslav Pouzar (1982) - 186
Paul Houck (1981) - 16
Jari Kurri (1980) - 1251
Glenn Anderson (1979) - 1129
Max Kostovich (1979)

So at least four players that are Oilers all timers in Anderson, Kurri, Tikkanen, and Horcoff; a few serviceable NHLers in Pouzar, Beranek, Vandevelde, Rieder, Gustafsson, and Jones. Mostly misses after that. Of course it should be noted that the players drafted in the fourth round in the 80s were 64-84 overall compared to now when they are 97-128.

Anyway, I have no problem with the trade especially considering the Oilers gave up their fourth rounder in 2027 and got back a 2024 seventh rounder. The difference between success in round 4 vs round 7 is probably not huge and it's nice to have the extra draft pick 3 years earlier.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830570 is a reply to message #830568 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 14:45

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benv wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 13:02

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 13:04

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:54

Just keep pissing assets away.

That's potentially three 4th round picks gone in 2 days for absolutely nobody that moves the needle.

What’s the draft success rate on our 4th round picks?

Just for fun here's every 4th round pick in Oilers history with number of NHL games played:

Jake Chiasson (2021)
Carter Savoie (2020)
Matej Blumel (2019) - 6
Ostap Safin (2017)
Caleb Jones (2015) - 239
Zach Nagelvoort (2014)
Jackson Houck (2013)
Kyle Platzer (2013)
Aidan Muir (2013)
Erik Gustafsson (2012) - 440
Dillon Simpson (2011) - 3
Tobias Rieder (2011) - 478
Jeremie Blain (2010)
Kyle Bigos (2009)
Toni Rajala (2009)
Johan Motin (2008) - 1
Linus Omark (2007) - 79
Chris Vandevele (2005) - 278
Slava Trukhno (2005)
Liam Reddox (2004) - 100
Jonas Almtorp (2002)
Robin Kovar (2002)
Lou Dickenson (2000)
Shawn Horcoff (1998) - 1008
Kristian Antila (1998)
Jonas Elofsson (1997)
Mike Minard (1995) - 1
Adam Copeland (1994)
Jussi Tarvainen (1994)
Ralph Intranuovo (1992) - 22
Mario Nobili (1991)
Joel Blain (1990)
Josef Beranek (1989) - 531
Cam Brauer (1988)
Peter Eriksson (1987) - 20
Dan Currie (1986) - 22
Richard Novak (1984)
Esa Tikkanen (1983) - 877
Jaroslav Pouzar (1982) - 186
Paul Houck (1981) - 16
Jari Kurri (1980) - 1251
Glenn Anderson (1979) - 1129
Max Kostovich (1979)

So at least four players that are Oilers all timers in Anderson, Kurri, Tikkanen, and Horcoff; a few serviceable NHLers in Pouzar, Beranek, Vandevelde, Rieder, Gustafsson, and Jones. Mostly misses after that. Of course it should be noted that the players drafted in the fourth round in the 80s were 64-84 overall compared to now when they are 97-128.

Anyway, I have no problem with the trade especially considering the Oilers gave up their fourth rounder in 2027 and got back a 2024 seventh rounder. The difference between success in round 4 vs round 7 is probably not huge and it's nice to have the extra draft pick 3 years earlier.

Good point! 👍🏻

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830577 is a reply to message #830570 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 16:06

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 14:45

benv wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 13:02

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 13:04

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:54

Just keep pissing assets away.

That's potentially three 4th round picks gone in 2 days for absolutely nobody that moves the needle.

What’s the draft success rate on our 4th round picks?

Just for fun here's every 4th round pick in Oilers history with number of NHL games played:

Jake Chiasson (2021)
Carter Savoie (2020)
Matej Blumel (2019) - 6
Ostap Safin (2017)
Caleb Jones (2015) - 239
Zach Nagelvoort (2014)
Jackson Houck (2013)
Kyle Platzer (2013)
Aidan Muir (2013)
Erik Gustafsson (2012) - 440
Dillon Simpson (2011) - 3
Tobias Rieder (2011) - 478
Jeremie Blain (2010)
Kyle Bigos (2009)
Toni Rajala (2009)
Johan Motin (2008) - 1
Linus Omark (2007) - 79
Chris Vandevele (2005) - 278
Slava Trukhno (2005)
Liam Reddox (2004) - 100
Jonas Almtorp (2002)
Robin Kovar (2002)
Lou Dickenson (2000)
Shawn Horcoff (1998) - 1008
Kristian Antila (1998)
Jonas Elofsson (1997)
Mike Minard (1995) - 1
Adam Copeland (1994)
Jussi Tarvainen (1994)
Ralph Intranuovo (1992) - 22
Mario Nobili (1991)
Joel Blain (1990)
Josef Beranek (1989) - 531
Cam Brauer (1988)
Peter Eriksson (1987) - 20
Dan Currie (1986) - 22
Richard Novak (1984)
Esa Tikkanen (1983) - 877
Jaroslav Pouzar (1982) - 186
Paul Houck (1981) - 16
Jari Kurri (1980) - 1251
Glenn Anderson (1979) - 1129
Max Kostovich (1979)

So at least four players that are Oilers all timers in Anderson, Kurri, Tikkanen, and Horcoff; a few serviceable NHLers in Pouzar, Beranek, Vandevelde, Rieder, Gustafsson, and Jones. Mostly misses after that. Of course it should be noted that the players drafted in the fourth round in the 80s were 64-84 overall compared to now when they are 97-128.

Anyway, I have no problem with the trade especially considering the Oilers gave up their fourth rounder in 2027 and got back a 2024 seventh rounder. The difference between success in round 4 vs round 7 is probably not huge and it's nice to have the extra draft pick 3 years earlier.

Good point! 👍🏻

Sure, but the talent pool is waaaaay bigger than it was. NCAA was irrelevant in the 80s, nobody drafted any Euros. So much more to choose from. Those mid-round picks are hitting more (think Johnny Goudreau).

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830629 is a reply to message #830549 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 20:47

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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:54

Just keep pissing assets away.

That's potentially three 4th round picks gone in 2 days for absolutely nobody that moves the needle.

*GASP*. Not the fourth round picks!?!? Oh the humanity!!

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830550 is a reply to message #830548 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 12:03

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These are the comments from my Coyotes fan friend on the guy.

"he's great at gapping up on the rush and stays with his assignments on the cycle"

"good at digging pucks out and clearing the zone"

"maybe i'm just a homer and see him more favorable than he really is but he's been one of the better defenders here in the last 2 seasons"

He feels like he is better than Ceci, but also admitted he's never liked Ceci much. I don't think this is a bad trade. It may not end up doing anything, or it may end up being a great stopgap for an injury.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830551 is a reply to message #830548 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 12:04

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I ain’t saying that Henrique and Stecher won’t be useful players but this deadline just does not seem good enough in a cup or bust season.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830552 is a reply to message #830551 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 12:22

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I'm saying Stecher won't be useful... unless there's more trades coming.
The Yotes are terrible, and he was their 6th dman. Not sure he's better than any of our current top 6. Maybe I have more faith in him than Broberg for playoff injury prevention...

I really don't mind trading away picks. I think they're overvalued by WAY too many GM's... I'm on board with the Ducks trade, and don't think it was a terrible overpay (as some do). This wasn't necessarily an overpay either, as the Oilers drafting outside round 1 is awful. but the question is... why? As you said, this simply doesn't move the needle at all.

[Updated on: Thu, 07 March 2024 12:24]

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830553 is a reply to message #830548 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 12:33

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oilfan94 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:03

These are the comments from my Coyotes fan friend on the guy.

"he's great at gapping up on the rush and stays with his assignments on the cycle"

"good at digging pucks out and clearing the zone"

"maybe i'm just a homer and see him more favorable than he really is but he's been one of the better defenders here in the last 2 seasons"

He feels like he is better than Ceci, but also admitted he's never liked Ceci much. I don't think this is a bad trade. It may not end up doing anything, or it may end up being a great stopgap for an injury.

I was actually thinking of Stecher.. he's very mobile, and plays a hard game, decent skill as well.

Here's his move for the gold medal winning OT goal vs. Russia in the 2021 world championships for Team Canada.. he's #70.. set up by Mangiapane.. sick move by Stecher.. guy has some skill.. maybe analytics at play here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHJCwZ9yUq4

Here's a better video of it.. go to 2:20.. Mike Johnson gushes..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_UgWknWEOg

I hated him when he was with the Canucks.. so there's that.. icon_smile

icon_smile

Here's a recent one as a Coyote.. can you see any Oiler D-men making that move at that speed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGn0ksi6_-I

BTW.. does the <Youtube> button on here still work? .. I've been having trouble with it..

[Updated on: Thu, 07 March 2024 12:42]

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830554 is a reply to message #830553 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 12:39

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 12:33

oilfan94 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:03

These are the comments from my Coyotes fan friend on the guy.

"he's great at gapping up on the rush and stays with his assignments on the cycle"

"good at digging pucks out and clearing the zone"

"maybe i'm just a homer and see him more favorable than he really is but he's been one of the better defenders here in the last 2 seasons"

He feels like he is better than Ceci, but also admitted he's never liked Ceci much. I don't think this is a bad trade. It may not end up doing anything, or it may end up being a great stopgap for an injury.

I was actually thinking of Stecher.. he's very mobile, and plays a hard game, decent skill as well.

Here's his move for the gold medal winning OT goal in the 2021 world championships for Team Canada.. he's #70.. set up by Mangiapane.. sick move by Stecher.. guy has some skill.. maybe analytics at play here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHJCwZ9yUq4

I hated him when he was with the Canucks.. so there's that.. icon_smile

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BTW.. does the <Youtube> button on here still work? .. I've been having trouble with it..

He's not a big name but lots of stats guys are saying he's a good pick up so I believe them.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830555 is a reply to message #830554 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 12:43

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:39

He's not a big name but lots of stats guys are saying he's a good pick up so I believe them.

Check out some of the videos I posted.. has wheels.

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Tic-Tac-Tao!
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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830556 is a reply to message #830554 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 12:47

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 12:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 12:33

oilfan94 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:03

These are the comments from my Coyotes fan friend on the guy.

"he's great at gapping up on the rush and stays with his assignments on the cycle"

"good at digging pucks out and clearing the zone"

"maybe i'm just a homer and see him more favorable than he really is but he's been one of the better defenders here in the last 2 seasons"

He feels like he is better than Ceci, but also admitted he's never liked Ceci much. I don't think this is a bad trade. It may not end up doing anything, or it may end up being a great stopgap for an injury.

I was actually thinking of Stecher.. he's very mobile, and plays a hard game, decent skill as well.

Here's his move for the gold medal winning OT goal in the 2021 world championships for Team Canada.. he's #70.. set up by Mangiapane.. sick move by Stecher.. guy has some skill.. maybe analytics at play here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHJCwZ9yUq4

I hated him when he was with the Canucks.. so there's that.. icon_smile

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BTW.. does the <Youtube> button on here still work? .. I've been having trouble with it..

He's not a big name but lots of stats guys are saying he's a good pick up so I believe them.

Think Stecher has been one of those analytics darlings for a while. May have fallen off a bit with age, but could see Parkatti being a part of targeting him as a budget pickup. Hard to judge what any guy can do right now on a good team when they have been playing for turd orgs so long. Similar for Henrique. Guess can only try to be optimistic now.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830557 is a reply to message #830556 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 12:48

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 12:47

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 12:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 12:33

oilfan94 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:03

These are the comments from my Coyotes fan friend on the guy.

"he's great at gapping up on the rush and stays with his assignments on the cycle"

"good at digging pucks out and clearing the zone"

"maybe i'm just a homer and see him more favorable than he really is but he's been one of the better defenders here in the last 2 seasons"

He feels like he is better than Ceci, but also admitted he's never liked Ceci much. I don't think this is a bad trade. It may not end up doing anything, or it may end up being a great stopgap for an injury.

I was actually thinking of Stecher.. he's very mobile, and plays a hard game, decent skill as well.

Here's his move for the gold medal winning OT goal in the 2021 world championships for Team Canada.. he's #70.. set up by Mangiapane.. sick move by Stecher.. guy has some skill.. maybe analytics at play here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHJCwZ9yUq4

I hated him when he was with the Canucks.. so there's that.. icon_smile

icon_smile

BTW.. does the <Youtube> button on here still work? .. I've been having trouble with it..

He's not a big name but lots of stats guys are saying he's a good pick up so I believe them.

Think Stecher has been one of those analytics darlings for a while. May have fallen off a bit with age, but could see Parkatti being a part of targeting him as a budget pickup. Hard to judge what any guy can do right now on a good team when they have been playing for turd orgs so long. Similar for Henrique. Guess can only try to be optimistic now.

I 100% think this is a Parkatti move.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830575 is a reply to message #830554 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 16:00

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 12:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 12:33

oilfan94 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:03

These are the comments from my Coyotes fan friend on the guy.

"he's great at gapping up on the rush and stays with his assignments on the cycle"

"good at digging pucks out and clearing the zone"

"maybe i'm just a homer and see him more favorable than he really is but he's been one of the better defenders here in the last 2 seasons"

He feels like he is better than Ceci, but also admitted he's never liked Ceci much. I don't think this is a bad trade. It may not end up doing anything, or it may end up being a great stopgap for an injury.

I was actually thinking of Stecher.. he's very mobile, and plays a hard game, decent skill as well.

Here's his move for the gold medal winning OT goal in the 2021 world championships for Team Canada.. he's #70.. set up by Mangiapane.. sick move by Stecher.. guy has some skill.. maybe analytics at play here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHJCwZ9yUq4

I hated him when he was with the Canucks.. so there's that.. icon_smile

icon_smile

BTW.. does the <Youtube> button on here still work? .. I've been having trouble with it..

He's not a big name but lots of stats guys are saying he's a good pick up so I believe them.

Flames fans loved him. Said he was a very Sutter type player. Vancouver fans had been hoping to get him from Arizona as well.

I'm happy with this. Team gets better, step by step. I think it's worth keeping mind that this team is what, 33-8-1 or something like that since turning it back around? I don't see the need for huge sweeping changes to the roster, but little tweaks here and there.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830563 is a reply to message #830553 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 13:17

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 15:33

oilfan94 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:03

These are the comments from my Coyotes fan friend on the guy.

"he's great at gapping up on the rush and stays with his assignments on the cycle"

"good at digging pucks out and clearing the zone"

"maybe i'm just a homer and see him more favorable than he really is but he's been one of the better defenders here in the last 2 seasons"

He feels like he is better than Ceci, but also admitted he's never liked Ceci much. I don't think this is a bad trade. It may not end up doing anything, or it may end up being a great stopgap for an injury.

I was actually thinking of Stecher.. he's very mobile, and plays a hard game, decent skill as well.

Here's his move for the gold medal winning OT goal vs. Russia in the 2021 world championships for Team Canada.. he's #70.. set up by Mangiapane.. sick move by Stecher.. guy has some skill.. maybe analytics at play here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHJCwZ9yUq4

Here's a better video of it.. go to 2:20.. Mike Johnson gushes..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_UgWknWEOg

I hated him when he was with the Canucks.. so there's that.. icon_smile

icon_smile

Here's a recent one as a Coyote.. can you see any Oiler D-men making that move at that speed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGn0ksi6_-I

BTW.. does the <Youtube> button on here still work? .. I've been having trouble with it..

gotta use the square brackets on either side of the yt video ID.
So for a vid with this URL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eBoTI6_1Q8 you'd have the square brackets on either side of the 4eBoTI6_1Q8 part.

Like this

edit: Huh, yeah that's weird that it's not working

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830566 is a reply to message #830563 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 13:23

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 12:17

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 15:33

oilfan94 wrote on Thu, 07 March 2024 11:03

These are the comments from my Coyotes fan friend on the guy.

"he's great at gapping up on the rush and stays with his assignments on the cycle"

"good at digging pucks out and clearing the zone"

"maybe i'm just a homer and see him more favorable than he really is but he's been one of the better defenders here in the last 2 seasons"

He feels like he is better than Ceci, but also admitted he's never liked Ceci much. I don't think this is a bad trade. It may not end up doing anything, or it may end up being a great stopgap for an injury.

I was actually thinking of Stecher.. he's very mobile, and plays a hard game, decent skill as well.

Here's his move for the gold medal winning OT goal vs. Russia in the 2021 world championships for Team Canada.. he's #70.. set up by Mangiapane.. sick move by Stecher.. guy has some skill.. maybe analytics at play here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHJCwZ9yUq4

Here's a better video of it.. go to 2:20.. Mike Johnson gushes..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_UgWknWEOg

I hated him when he was with the Canucks.. so there's that.. icon_smile

icon_smile

Here's a recent one as a Coyote.. can you see any Oiler D-men making that move at that speed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGn0ksi6_-I

BTW.. does the <Youtube> button on here still work? .. I've been having trouble with it..

gotta use the square brackets on either side of the yt video ID.
So for a vid with this URL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eBoTI6_1Q8 you'd have the square brackets on either side of the 4eBoTI6_1Q8 part.

Like this

edit: Huh, yeah that's weird that it's not working

Exactly! thought it was just my browser..

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830558 is a reply to message #830548 ]	Thu, 07 March 2024 12:51

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He's not big.. but he's a goer..

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830642 is a reply to message #830548 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 10:16

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If he can help prevent fewer keystone cop moments on the back end and actually get the puck out of the zone a few more times, then I'm all for this down the stretch.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830650 is a reply to message #830642 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 13:11

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Suomalainen wrote on Fri, 08 March 2024 10:16

If he can help prevent fewer keystone cop moments on the back end and actually get the puck out of the zone a few more times, then I'm all for this down the stretch.

I wonder if the plan for Stecher is that he never plays for the Oilers. He's insurance and they just send out the same 6 guys they have all year.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830666 is a reply to message #830650 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 15:04

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 08 March 2024 13:11

Suomalainen wrote on Fri, 08 March 2024 10:16

If he can help prevent fewer keystone cop moments on the back end and actually get the puck out of the zone a few more times, then I'm all for this down the stretch.

I wonder if the plan for Stecher is that he never plays for the Oilers. He's insurance and they just send out the same 6 guys they have all year.

It is sad but could see Stecher playing beside Nurse in the near future.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830643 is a reply to message #830548 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 10:53

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Matheson saying that Holland asked about Arizona retaining salary, but the Coyotes declined. I do find that we hear on a lot of deals that Holland tried to get something but gets rebuffed and just accepts it. The actual difference to AZ for retaining on Stetcher would have been miniscule.

I don't think it's likely to matter, because it really feels like the Oilers are sitting on their hands this morning, but we'll see. If I'm wrong, then another couple hundred thousand in cap space could have made a difference.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830645 is a reply to message #830643 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 12:21

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Can't you only hold retained salary for a certain number of players?
Perhaps Arizona is hoping to broker a deal with that space and get something more than Kenny would give up.
Also, if you're on the phone with Holland, the default answer is no. I don't fault them.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830647 is a reply to message #830645 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 12:44

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 08 March 2024 14:21

Can't you only hold retained salary for a certain number of players?
Perhaps Arizona is hoping to broker a deal with that space and get something more than Kenny would give up.
Also, if you're on the phone with Holland, the default answer is no. I don't fault them.

You can only retain 2 at a time. I had read somewhere that they were holding the 2nd stop for a Dumba deal.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830648 is a reply to message #830647 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 12:45

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oilfan94 wrote on Fri, 08 March 2024 12:44

Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 08 March 2024 14:21

Can't you only hold retained salary for a certain number of players?
Perhaps Arizona is hoping to broker a deal with that space and get something more than Kenny would give up.
Also, if you're on the phone with Holland, the default answer is no. I don't fault them.

You can only retain 2 at a time. I had read somewhere that they were holding the 2nd stop for a Dumba deal.

That's exactly the reason they wouldn't retain on Stecher supposedly.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830651 is a reply to message #830647 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 13:13

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oilfan94 wrote on Fri, 08 March 2024 11:44

Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 08 March 2024 14:21

Can't you only hold retained salary for a certain number of players?
Perhaps Arizona is hoping to broker a deal with that space and get something more than Kenny would give up.
Also, if you're on the phone with Holland, the default answer is no. I don't fault them.

You can only retain 2 at a time. I had read somewhere that they were holding the 2nd stop for a Dumba deal.

Exactly, which is why the cost was likely so high for Anaheim to use both their retention spaces on Carrick and Henrique, they couldn't do another trade with any retention..

That being said.. What Lawton said on Stauffer was correct.. looking at todays trades.. the price did go down for the remaining players.. a 3rd for Jake Allen at 50% retained?

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830655 is a reply to message #830651 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 13:29

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tradecenter not reporting any retained salary on the Dumba deal.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830658 is a reply to message #830655 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 13:53

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 08 March 2024 12:29

tradecenter not reporting any retained salary on the Dumba deal.

You are correct no retention... https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/arizona-coyotes-deal-matt-dumba-to-ta mpa-bay-lightning-1.2087119

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830653 is a reply to message #830548 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 13:22

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Vegas adds Hertl, Mantha and Hanifin.

Colorado adds Walker and Mittelstadt

Carolina adds Guentzel

Your best player has to be your management and ours just isn’t close.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830654 is a reply to message #830653 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 13:26

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I hate Vegas so much.... such flagrant abuse of the system... I hate the NHL for thinking this is actually how the rules should work (because if they didn't they would have fixed it already) and I hate our management for ignoring the option of using the same loopholes that our opponents use that we're too righteous to abuse ourselves.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830668 is a reply to message #830653 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 15:23

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smyth260 wrote on Fri, 08 March 2024 13:22

Vegas adds Hertl, Mantha and Hanifin.

Colorado adds Walker and Mittelstadt

Carolina adds Guentzel

Your best player has to be your management and ours just isn’t close.

It's depressing that the Oilers feel that what they just did is "going for it". They watched every other contending team get significantly better, and we added a middle six guy, a fourth liner and a bottom pairing defenceman.

We held on to most of our draft picks and all of our prospects though, so there's that. I suppose all of those might become way more important if McDavid and Draisaitl leave.

Hopefully Holland got a good sleep-in this morning though, since apparently he wasn't working the phones that hard.

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Re: Oilers trade for Stecher [message #830669 is a reply to message #830668 ]	Fri, 08 March 2024 15:38

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